Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Whoever slices someone up in the name of religion is an idiot anyway. Satanist, Christian, Jew, whatever. There's a very famous person blowing people up in the name of God today, he's no different to the "Satanists" then is he? Besides the fact that he's a Christian and that apparantly makes it ok. Murder in the name of a "good guy" is passable while murder in the name of the devil is not. Found that strange for as long as I can remember.On what Spelljammer said: You can also say that people who believe are just wussy atheists who are afraid to admit there's nothing.
But you wouldn't because it's called respecting belief. Something you claim to do but obviously do not.
-AC
Well, I am Christian and I think Killing someone no matter what is still wrong. If anyone blows someone up in the name of God, then they are not real Christan's to begin with, and are not making a good point. *cough* Bush *cough* There are better ways to handle things. I know I may sound like a Hippie, but I think war is totally wrong. I think there could be better means to fix situations.
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
well, I dont see how its Logical...I mean if your not sure about what you believe in how is that logical?.
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
Well, I am Christian and I think Killing someone no matter what is still wrong. If anyone blows someone up in the name of God, then they are not real Christan's to begin with, and are not making a good point. *cough* Bush *cough* There are better ways to handle things. I know I may sound like a Hippie, but I think war is totally wrong. I think there could be better means to fix situations.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's logical to say "I don't know" if you actually don't know, isn't it?It's not logical to say "I believe there is/is not a God" if you don't actually know.
-AC
yeah, if you put it that way. But not knowing is just like not believing really. You cant bring yourself to say I don't believe or to say I do believe.
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
Well, I am Christian and I think Killing someone no matter what is still wrong. If anyone blows someone up in the name of God, then they are not real Christan's to begin with, and are not making a good point. *cough* Bush *cough* There are better ways to handle things. I know I may sound like a Hippie, but I think war is totally wrong. I think there could be better means to fix situations.
Would you say someone who...I don't know, discriminates against people for not having a solid, definite belief with regards to higher powers (God, Allah etc), is a true christian?
For example, you say it's not logical to NOT know what you believe. That's not what agnostic's do. Agnostic believers know what they believe, that belief is that they have no absolute opinion on the existance or non-existance of a higher power. It's not saying "I don't know what to believe." It's saying "I know what I believe and I believe that I won't hold myself to any one view, as there are cases for both."
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
yeah, if you put it that way. But not knowing is just like not believing really. You cant bring yourself to say I don't believe or to say I do believe.
Not knowing is like not believing? No it's not. I don't KNOW that there's some kind of undiscovered prehistoric sea animals out there somewhere, but I most certainly do not believe that they don't exist.
-AC
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well buit if you are a Christian you believe in what I like to call "The Bible" ...I believe3 God used erather violent Methots to put forth his will...and well human is made to resemble god ....
Well, yeah I know about the Bible, I just don't think Violence is the answer. Why kill to prove a point?
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
No, I agree with what you said. I was just making an additional point about atheism.I know so many people who say they are an atheist as if it's a badge of honour or something.
I actually say it sometimes too..cause I live like an atheist...and well I though I was one till I found out that there actually is a difference between agnostic and atheist.....by the way did you know that the Grandfather of Alfous Huxley ("Brave New World"😉 invented that term.....
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
yeah, if you put it that way. But not knowing is just like not believing really. You cant bring yourself to say I don't believe or to say I do believe.
Well it's not that easy though...I mean to be honest t believe would be the easy way out ...but I can't believe....it's just not the way I am....I doubt things that are not proven......so even if I would love to have faith (I don't really care) I couldn't....
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
Why kill to prove a point?
Because in some cases it does actually take killing to prove a point.
War isn't good and we'd be better without it. War is never good, but sometimes it is sadly neccessary. I'm not promoting it or condoning it, but to deny that sometimes it is the only way to go, is naive.
-AC
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
Well, yeah I know about the Bible, I just don't think Violence is the answer. Why kill to prove a point?
Originally posted by Bardock42
I actually say it sometimes too..cause I live like an atheist...and well I though I was one till I found out that there actually is a difference between agnostic and atheist.....by the way did you know that the Grandfather of Alfous Huxley ("Brave New World"😉 invented that term.....
I did. Off-topic, BNW is a brilliant novel.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Would you say someone who...I don't know, discriminates against people for not having a solid, definite belief with regards to higher powers (God, Allah etc), is a true christian?For example, you say it's not logical to NOT know what you believe. That's not what agnostic's do. Agnostic believers know what they believe, that belief is that they have no absolute opinion on the existance or non-existance of a higher power. It's not saying "I don't know what to believe." It's saying "I know what I believe and I believe that I won't hold myself to any one view, as there are cases for both."
Not knowing is like not believing? No it's not. I don't KNOW that there's some kind of undiscovered prehistoric sea animals out there somewhere, but I most certainly do not believe that they don't exist.
-AC
you know what I really don't feel like dealing with you again, before you start the whole "Your wrong" thing, I am not even going to respond to you. Even though I have different opinions, I will hold my tongue.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
No, it's a preference of evidence over faith.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
No, I agree with what you said. I was just making an additional point about atheism.I know so many people who say they are an atheist as if it's a badge of honour or something.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Because in some cases it does actually take killing to prove a point.War isn't good and we'd be better without it. War is never good, but sometimes it is sadly neccessary. I'm not promoting it or condoning it, but to deny that sometimes it is the only way to go, is naive.
-AC
Originally posted by Bardock42
Do not ask me....do ask your God.....(Sodom, Gomorra, The Flood, Killing all First Born Egyptians, Killing all the Egyptian Soldiers, Letting Nebukadnezar being killed, kill the people that prayed to the golden lamb, all I can think of from the top of my head ....(damn I would have the perfect conter-arguement....it'S so sad....)
Originally posted by Raven GuardiaFaith will always be a lot stronger then evidence I think, not matter what Religion you hold. Buddhist have faith in their Religion and Buddha,Christians have faith in God. Maybe they cant exactly be proved but there is still faith in something.
Faith is merely a belief that something is true without proper evidence though. I don't see that it can be stronger, unless in ignorance.
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
I am not saying your wrong, I am only sharing my opinion. So please don't take it as me trying to be mean to you or anything, thats not my intention.
You have my permission to be as mean to my screen name as you like. Makes zero difference to me. 🙂
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
you know what I really don't feel like dealing with you again, before you start the whole "Your wrong" thing, I am not even going to respond to you. Even though I have different opinions, I will hold my tongue.
What the...? Are you incapable of passively discussing things now? I'm not attacking you. I'm questioning you.
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
Faith will always be a lot stronger then evidence I think, not matter what Religion you hold. Buddhist have faith in their Religion and Buddha,Christians have faith in God. Maybe they cant exactly be proved but there is still faith in something. I am not saying your wrong, I am only sharing my opinion. So please don't take it as me trying to be mean to you or anything, thats not my intention.
Let's say someone had factually seen an alien, right? They have evidence to prove it. Someone else BELIEVES there are aliens. Who's case would be stronger? The guy with evidence. Believing something means you believe it's there, knowing that it's there means you can prove it beyond all doubt.
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
I don't care for the way Atheists believe either, they always down talk Religion. They may not believe in it, but they shouldn't go and destroy it for anyone else.
I know plenty of passive atheists who get talked down on by christians, it's happened in this very thread and you agreed with the person who did it. Very hypocritical.
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
In My Opinion thats up to God, if he wants to destroy what he created then he has every right to.
If a woman wants to stab her child to death, she can? Because she created it. That's what you're saying. Nobody has the right to kill...don't kill to prove a point, BUT it's ok for God?
-AC