Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Was that directed to me? I was saying that it didnt make him weaker than what he was, he just couldnt reach his full potential. I know he grew in force powers thru the darkside. Another point for Vader...just dont see Tyranus winning this...truely....
Might have been dunno, either way, yea, he got a lot stronger, and Dooku loses. If Dooku was better as said, Palpatine could easily get one better than Vader, since he has resources everywhere
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
*waits for Ox's story as Dooku's grandchild* 😆
Lol, well he is a bit of a tight around his enormous fortune. His words are a bit more dignified than that stated though, and he usually tells me that story while smoking cuban cigars, drinking martinis and delicately eating some caviar. 😛
Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
BTW, Rampant Ox, it's nice to see you have surrendered. Do not be sad, your Count has given a great fight!
LOL! The day I surrender will be the day Vader can block force lightning with his hands (never btw). 😉
Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
If Dooku was better as said, Palpatine could easily get one better than Vader, since he has resources everywhere
That makes no sense. If Dooku is better than Vader (which he is) why would he want to get someone better than Vader? Wouldnt he want someone better than Dooku? Im confused. 😕
Originally posted by Rampant ox
That makes no sense. If Dooku is better than Vader (which he is) why would he want to get someone better than Vader? Wouldnt he want someone better than Dooku? Im confused. 😕
Typo, meant Dooku and Vader, whatever. Dooku WAS NOT THAT POWERFUL, his only thing was he dedicated his life to studying the Force, therefore he spent Years upon years learning abilties, otherwise, he ain't that Great, and Palpatine could find someone better than both of them if that were true(which it isn't)
Vader > Dooku
You're saying that a more powerful version(Not even Dark Side before mind you) of the SAME person that killed Dooku before, can't kill Dooku now? The only thing going for him is Lightning, and wow, that won't help, it is said that he knows the thing Yoda does, and if not, knows how to deflect with a Lightsaber. Though that doesn't even mean he WILL use Lightning, he didn't in the fight of his death
he defeated him by holding his arms and "de-handing" him! Obviously Anakin is superior in this fight! Pity OT Vader Sucks ass saberwise compared to ROTS Ani/Vader😄
Also If the thread topic duel was left to force powers it would just be another stalemate like AOTC Yoda/Dooku unless your telling me OT Vader is more powerful in the force than Yoda
So Dooku's superior saberskills would save the day
OT vader under anakin? LMFAO his physical strength gives him superior power in form V and would wtf pwn anakin.
and ogami, stop being a fanboy, form V beats form II, already proven in ROTS, and vaders saber skills are beyond anakins mastery of djem so, not to forget vader excecutes cho mai alot and wtf pwned 4 jedi masters in the purge swiftly and choked another jedi while dueling, and being able to blow back a 1 metre thick steal door with a force push is better than dookus who could only blow back kenobi a few meters
Originally posted by VadersElements
[B] not to forget vader excecutes cho mai alot
Havent we already been over this. Dooku does as well and because they are so close in power the chances of being able to use the technique are slim. Vader isnt the sort opf guy who will physically grab Dooku's hands and cut them off either.
and wtf pwned 4 jedi masters in the purge swiftly and choked another jedi while dueling
These jedi were weak. Not to badmouth Vaders power but this alone hardly meand Vader is better. Especially when Dooku prefers and excels at fighting one opponent at a time anyway.
and being able to blow back a 1 metre thick steal door with a force push is better than dookus who could only blow back kenobi a few meters
I recall Dooku ripping heavy metal generators out of a solid rock wall and throwing them at Yoda. He also pulled the solid rock roof easily down on top of Yoda. Then there is that large metal balcony Dooku pulled out of place and crushed Kenobi with. Point moot.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
Havent we already been over this. Dooku does as well and because they are so close in power the chances of being able to use the technique are slim. Vader isnt the sort opf guy who will physically grab Dooku's hands and cut them off either.These jedi were weak. Not to badmouth Vaders power but this alone hardly meand Vader is better. Especially when Dooku prefers and excels at fighting one opponent at a time anyway.
I recall Dooku ripping heavy metal generators out of a solid rock wall and throwing them at Yoda. He also pulled the solid rock roof easily down on top of Yoda. Then there is that large metal balcony Dooku pulled out of place and crushed Kenobi with. Point moot.
If Dooku was more powerful, Vader would not last as Apprentice very long, simply because, Dooku WAS NOT THAT POWERFUL, accept it
Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
If Dooku was more powerful, Vader would not last as Apprentice very long, simply because, Dooku WAS NOT THAT POWERFUL, accept it
What? Once Dooku was dead Anakin/Vader was the most powerful option. The only stronger being Sidious and Yoda. Sidious chose Anakin for his enormous potential and in the process eliminated Dooku. Then Vader was dipped in lava and lost that potential. There was no Dooku for Sidious to turn back to. So Sidious was stuck with Vader. I dont see what point you are trying to make.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
What? Once Dooku was dead Anakin/Vader was the most powerful option. The only stronger being Sidious and Yoda. Sidious chose Anakin for his enormous potential and in the process eliminated Dooku. Then Vader was dipped in lava and lost that potential. There was no Dooku for Sidious to turn back to. So Sidious was stuck with Vader. I dont see what point you are trying to make.
Robotic Vader was as powerful as Dooku..
rampant ox, this time i shall hand you your ass pernemently
Originally posted by Rampant ox
Havent we already been over this. Dooku does as well and because they are so close in power the chances of being able to use the technique are slim. Vader isnt the sort opf guy who will physically grab Dooku's hands and cut them off either.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
These jedi were weak. Not to badmouth Vaders power but this alone hardly meand Vader is better. Especially when Dooku prefers and excels at fighting one opponent at a time anyway.
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Originally posted by Rampant ox
I recall Dooku ripping heavy metal generators out of a solid rock wall and throwing them at Yoda. He also pulled the solid rock roof easily down on top of Yoda. Then there is that large metal balcony Dooku pulled out of place and crushed Kenobi with. Point moot. [/B]
does that compare to blowing apart 1 m thick metal 10 meters apart? i dont think so, those metal generators dooku threw were light. and it took 3 seconds for dooku to pin down kenobi. the 1m thick wall blew up instanly and vader did it effortless. even in TESB he was able to throw dozens of poles and crates at luke at the same time. dooku did that 1 by 1 and slowly, point moot
and lets not forget vader had the guts and power to take on 7 jedi masters. how can a master be weak? point moot
Originally posted by Rampant oxand what if i told you that palpatines thoughts stated that vaders limitations were mental? not physical, yes this contradicts GLS statements.
What? Once Dooku was dead Anakin/Vader was the most powerful option. The only stronger being Sidious and Yoda. Sidious chose Anakin for his enormous potential and in the process eliminated Dooku. Then Vader was dipped in lava and lost that potential. There was no Dooku for Sidious to turn back to. So Sidious was stuck with Vader. I dont see what point you are trying to make.
again sidious knew vader was going to get burned, why would he want anakin to kill him after all the plotting and work he has done, he wanted banes rule to survive, 1 master and 1 apprentice, thats what sid thought
Originally posted by VadersElements
[B]rampant ox, this time i shall hand you your ass pernemently
LOL!!! The following argument is certainly not good enough to do that.
no we havnt,
Wtf do you mean we havent. You seem to have a selective memory.
vader is far more skilled using cho mai, i have only seen dooku do this once, no more no less, and vader perfected this technique since he used it on dooku. mace windu, the jedi in the purge, and luke
LOL!! He is skilled because he used it on Dooku? I think not, he physically grabbed Dooku's hands and cut them off. He is skilled because he did it to Mace? I think not, he cut his arm off when Mace was pre-occupied and looking the other way. Your point fails.
apparantly you cant prove that, they seem weak because vader wtf pwned them,
I dont know, I havent seen it. Ill shall take your word for it unless someone says otherwise. But like I said, because Dooku cant doesnt make him weaker. He prefers one on one combat. Point moot.
does that compare to blowing apart 1 m thick metal 10 meters apart? i dont think so, those metal generators dooku threw were light.
LOL!!!!!!!! 😆 . You have to be sh*tting me. You say the generators were light just to discredit Dooku. Thats pretty pathetic.
and it took 3 seconds for dooku to pin down kenobi.
Thats extremely impressive seeing Obi-Wan is a master of Soresu. Also I recall it took Vader much longer to defeat Kenobi in ANHthan it took for Dooku to do it in AOTC or ROTS. Again, your point fails.
the 1m thick wall blew up instanly and vader did it effortless.
Well done Vader. Dont really see how this is going to help him but well done none the less.
ven in TESB he was able to throw dozens of poles and crates at luke at the same time. dooku did that 1 by 1 and slowly, point moot
Wtf. Stop discrediting Dooku and making Vader out to be some sort of god. He didnt throw dozens of items at Luke. And he threw them rather slowly. It wasnt anything special - certainly not as much as you are making it out ot be.
and lets not forget vader had the guts and power to take on 7 jedi masters. how can a master be weak? point moot
A master isnt weak as such. But there are the 'elite' jedi, such as Yoda, Mace, Dooku, Anakin etc. In comparison to these elite jedi, most othersare weak. Get what im saying?
and what if i told you that palpatines thoughts stated that vaders mitations were mental? not physical, yes this contradicts GLS statements.
Wtf. If it contradicts GL (at least I think you meant GL) then it is false. Point moot.
again sidious knew vader was going to get burned, why would he want anakin to kill him after all the plotting and work he has done, he wanted banes rule to survive, 1 master and 1 apprentice, thats what sid thought
To put it simply, no. I cant be bothered writing it out - im sure someone else here will tell you why again. 🙄
Originally posted by Rampant oxso? still the fact vader crushed 4 jedi nmasters easy proves hes better than dooku, o so is kit fisto, and the other 2 jedi who got killed by sidious is weak? i think not, again they died because the opponent is stronger
LOL!!! The following argument is certainly not good enough to do that.[QUOTE=7571137]Originally posted by Rampant ox
LOL!! He is skilled because he used it on Dooku? I think not, he physically grabbed Dooku's hands and cut them off. He is skilled because he did it to Mace? I think not, he cut his arm off when Mace was pre-occupied and looking the other way. Your point fails.[QUOTE=7571137]Originally posted by Rampant ox
I dont know, I havent seen it. Ill shall take your word for it unless someone says otherwise. But like I said, because Dooku cant doesnt make him weaker. He prefers one on one combat. Point moot.
Originally posted by Rampant oxindeed the genrators were small and lighter the 1 m thick wall
LOL!!!!!!!! 😆 . You have to be sh*tting me. You say the generators were light just to discredit Dooku. Thats pretty pathetic.
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Originally posted by Rampant oxconsidering the fact that obi wan is even better in ANH due to 20 years of experience makes him far better than he was aotc, note the fact soresu is a good form to counter djem so, while makashi cant contend to djem so especially to a cyborg with incredible strength. already getting blown by a less stronger anakin, soresu is what kept kenobi alive in ROTS from anakins djem so,
Thats extremely impressive seeing Obi-Wan is a master of Soresu. Also I recall it took Vader much longer to defeat Kenobi in ANHthan it took for Dooku to do it in AOTC or ROTS. Again, your point fails.
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Originally posted by Rampant ox
Well done Vader. Dont really see how this is going to help him but well done none the less.
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Originally posted by Rampant ox Wtf. Stop discrediting Dooku and making Vader out to be some sort of god. He didnt throw dozens of items at Luke. And he threw them rather slowly. It wasnt anything special - certainly not as much as you are making it out ot be.
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Originally posted by Rampant ox
A master isnt weak as such. But there are the 'elite' jedi, such as Yoda, Mace, Dooku, Anakin etc. In comparison to these elite jedi, most othersare weak. Get what im saying?
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owned again
Originally posted by VadersElements
[B]so? still the fact vader crushed 4 jedi nmasters easy proves hes better than dooku, o so is kit fisto, and the other 2 jedi who got killed by sidious is weak? i think not, again they died because the opponent is stronger
No, it doesnt. Most of the jedi order are weak compared to the lead characters. Jedi are peace keepers - not fighters. Sidious is the strongest person in the PT, of course he was going to pwn Fisto. He is just so much better. No different with Vader. The jedi masters are nothing special so Vader pwns them. Whats to say Dooku couldnt couldnt beat thes masters? Absolutley nothing. And like I have said several times already Dooku far prefers one on one combat. Point moot.
indeed the genrators were small and lighter the 1 m thick wall
Maybe. Maybe not. We dont know becasue of the simple fact we cant weigh them. Point moot.
considering the fact that obi wan is even better in ANH due to 20 years of experience makes him far better than he was aotc, note the fact soresu is a good form to counter djem so,
Kenobi was better with the force but not with a blade. And I dont recall Kenobi using any force powers. Which means his weak lightsaber abilities lasted longer against Vader than his peaked out lightsaber abilities lasted against Dooku. So your point fails - again.
well fore pushing dooku till the ceiling, slams him up, causing a dent and then let gravity do the work? seems pretty smart which he does, proof? he did it to tark
Lol. You really think he is going t be able to do this to Dooku? No, he cant, stop pretending he can.
rather slowly? true, to intimidate luke, to show luke how powerful and deadly he can be, O?
What a load of bullsh*t. How the f*ck would you know if it was to intimidate Luke or not? you dont, you are just twisitng what happened to suit your argument.
weak? maybe so, but kit fisto is great and got killed by sidious, does that mean kit is weak? hell no,
Kit Fisto is weak. Especially compared to Sidious and most other lead jedi.
owned again
Lol, all of your pathetic, opinionated points have been pwned. You fail, try again later.