Dumbledore Discussion (Spoiler Info)

I'm not sure Dumbledore is really dead. I mean i know his picture is now on the wall and the funeral but he could be like Gandalf from LOTR. I have 2 theories right now

1. Dumbledore told Snape to kill him and anger Harry enough to become a better wizard cause i quote from Snape Chapter 28 "Blocked again and again and again until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mind closed Potter!" Now that Harry is angry enough at Snape, he knows the only way he can beat Snape is to 1, close his mind and 2 practice occulemency.

2.I quote Dumbledore Chapter "As far as i know -- as far, I am sure, as Voldemort knew -- no wizard had ever done more than tear his soul in two." I know people might think im insane but Dumbledore must've killed someone in his life like a Death Eater or something. I'm thinking that Dumbledore has a horcrux.

Give me your ideas! 😛

Dum Dee Dum....Why will no one respond????

cos your theory is stupid

people are entitled to their opinions, and you shouldn't say that, keep it to yourself. have you heard of the expression if you don't have anything to say...don't say it at all???

he did ask though

yes he/she said share your idea. he/she did not say my theory sucks, and i need people to agree with me.

actually he said why is nobody answering me and i gave him a straight answer

which he asked why isn't anyone answering, not for a comment like that.

Saratn i want to know something...Even though you are backing me up on the "Cause your theory sucks", do you think my idea is logical at all?>

well quite honestly that is what i was thinking too. the defeat of the Dark Lord in 1945 or so...

Dumbledore is dead. If he ends up not being dead, I will lose all faith in the series. The story of Harry Potter is an epic. And like many epic stories before it, the hero has to be left alone to fight the big fight. There can be no one to guide him in the end. Hence the death of Dumbledore.

doesn't mean he is gone for good. and quite honestly anything can happen at this point.

Director Joe....you are leaning towards my first theory then in a way? Do you have any thoughts that Dumbledore planned this entire thing?

which i have a long tiresome, gruesome, dreadful theory that states why Dumbledore did what he did.

Originally posted by Lord DarqueLand
Director Joe....you are leaning towards my first theory then in a way? Do you have any thoughts that Dumbledore planned this entire thing?

Yeah. I'd go out there and say he planned his death. There's much evidence to back it up.

In GOF Crouch(as Moody) tells us that "there is only one known person to have survived the Avada Kedavra curse, Harry. Something Dumbledore says again, that exact phrase if memory serves, that Harry was "the only known person" to have survived the Killing Curse.

That phrase, keeps coming back to me "known person" That the only person to have survived the killing curse known to the general wizarding community.
Why does this mean anything?
Well, consider in OotP while Voldemort is throwing the Avada Kedavra around the Ministry at Dumbledore, what's Dumbledore doing? Walking sedately down the corridor talking to Voldemort. True he disapperates to avoid getting hit, and Fawkes takes one for the team, but Dumbledore didn't seek refuge from the curse.
Why?
There's also a line, during Draco's confrontation with Dumbledore. Dumbledore tells Draco "After a fashion, I came back" or words to that effect(I lent my copy of HBP to a friend so I can't check the exact quote)
Also, Harry(and so we)never actually SEES Dumbledore get up from the ground on "horcrux Island" Harry's fetching water and is attacked by the inferi and suddenly Dumbledore is on his feet driving back the inferi with fire they then get in the boat and leave.

Here's 2 theories each seperate, but based upon the text of all the novels to date it is supported.

1) Dumbledore survived the Avada Kedava at some point in the past and may(I said MAY) be to all intents and purposes immune to the deadly effects of the curse. This is unlikely tho because even if he is immune to the effects of the curse he's likely NOT immune to the effects of gravity.

2) Only PART of Dumbledore came back from the Horcrux Cave. As I said above, Harry never saw Dumbledore regain his feet, one second he's getting water the next he's surrounded by fire and Dumbledore is walking toward him.
In this case, I believe the potion in the basin that Dumbledore drank somehow split his body and part of Dumbledore is still lying in the cave. This is weakly supported by the line quoted above "after a fashion I came back" I believe that Dumbledore knew he wasn't whole and as we've seen Dumbledore is usually very precise when speaking.

Also, why was Dumbledore's portrait the only one sleeping?

The above are two of my pet theories on how Dumbledore might have survived. I don't necessarily believe that Dumbledore IS alive, just presenting two possible ways he might "come back"

Consider, with Dumbledore believed to be dead, he is much more powerful, able to work behind the scenes in secret. Voldemort thinks he's dead, so he drops his guard as Dumbledore works to find the horcruxes.

^ Very good theory!

I believe that the potion that snape made has something to do with how Dumbledore will come back. Maybe not to aid Harry in the end, because it is his fight. But to make Voldemort believe that DD is in fact dead and gone.

I am not quite sure...but I believe that Snape and DD planned this whole thing. Snape is very intelligent! And it could be possible that Dumbledore could have split part of his soul (as voldemort had done) in order to produce a clone of himself......

Just theories....

andyb. Dude that theory is one of the most well thought of that i have heard from my friends and this Forum. I mean the theory about the splitting the soul with the potion would make sense.

Dumbledore would not intentially split his soul as it is an act of evil.

I agree. Rowling puts major emphasis on how splitting your soul is a terrible thing. I don't think Dumbledore would have done that.