Originally posted by Darth Faunus
"Realizing that Thor's efforts alone were insufficient to destroy their adversary"If we want to go by the official site, the Norse God of Thunder was unable to quell Onslaught.
Well...now I have to throw in some northern mythology knowledge. Thor was by no meaning "allmighty". He is the God of Thunder, yes. But his main attribute is his physical strength and most of his power comes from his weapon - a hammer called Mjölnir.
Now Mjölnir is considered to be able to destruct anything. In fact without that weapon Thor is not much of an enemy. Still his enourmous physical strength is enough to lift Jörmungand (the "world snake" - a thing that basically is "around" the entire earth) but he won't fight without his hammer.
In the Marvel Universe Thor's physical strenght is not enough to destroy Hulk in fact they battled somewhere (I don't know if this was in a comic or the Hulk TV Show) and none of them was able to beat the other so they are equal. That Thor is not very impressive - really.
But back to the topic. First question here would be: What is the force ? An energy field that affects any living being in the universe.
Now...who are Ragnos and NJO Luke. We know that Ragnos is probably the strongest Dark Sider ever existed. Now...Sadow could destroy a star and he did it by ripping the stars core out thereby creating a supernova. Hell...he was ripping the core of a star out with a handmovement and in fact Ragnos is stronger.
Then throw in NJO Luke with altering gravity, creating and manipulating black holes and instakill abilities.
At this point you might consider fighting abilities...
NJO Luke > serveral thousands aliens twice as strong as human soldiers equipped with weapons and armours that can't be penetrated by a lightsaber.
Ragnos > Nadd > entire planet filled with soldiers
Nadd = somebody that needed an ARMY of force users to be destroyed and he killed more Jedi with a blaster than any other Sith before him killed with a lightsaber.
Now this is getting rediculous. You have NJO Luke (25 % the Force at least) + Ragnos (equally strong or even stronger) on the one handside and a badass Onslaught on the other. The force would be able to conquer both: magnetic manipulation and psionic manipulation and that leaves Onslaught with what powers or let's say: How would he defend his own self against Luke and Ragnos ? Ah...yes...Magneto can manipulate all kinds of energy and magnetic fields (so Ragnos and Luke can basically throw away their weapons) and force lightning (which is energy) might also not be useful here.
So...they will fight until a standstill and then either Luke is going to create a black hole and they all die OR Ragnos simply throws a planet on them - and they also all die. So...battle end with all people being dead.
Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Yes. Nai is most likely right. I'd have to say it is Magneto's abilities that will be the most damaging. Unless Onslaught wants to put them in a coma.
They are going to be able to resist his mental powers. They use minds control just as much as he does, sometimes making entire planets invisible.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with mind controlling. And tell me, when have Ragnos OR Luke ever displayed use of mind-control? Even the most powerful can only use them on the weak-willed, and maybe influence those of more powerful bearing. But Onslaught has them ridiculously outclassed in telepathic attacks.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
They are going to be able to resist his mental powers. They use minds control just as much as he does, sometimes making entire planets invisible.
What the -
Look. Jedi - even Luke - can only temporarily control minds. They can't erase thoughts, cause amnesia, or shut down a person's mind, can they? No. Professor X can do all of it. His control over peoples' minds are FAR beyond NJO Luke or Ragnos.
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Which has absolutely nothing to do with mind controlling. And tell me, when have Ragnos OR Luke ever displayed use of mind-control? Even the most powerful can only use them on the weak-willed, and maybe influence those of more powerful bearing. But Onslaught has them ridiculously outclassed in telepathic attacks.
In "The Crystal Star" Luke is manipulating the minds of the population of an entire space station (and a Jedi Knight) to look like he had a different outward appearence and he's able to exclude single persons (Han) from that manipulation.
That's what I call "crowd control".
Originally posted by Nai FohlFYI the crystal star is the worst book in star wars history
In "The Crystal Star" Luke is manipulating the minds of the population of an entire space station (and a Jedi Knight) to look like he had a different outward appearence and he's able to exclude single persons (Han) from that manipulation.That's what I call "crowd control".