Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Really. I'd not ever seen him before. Perhaps I am falling behind.
Its been a while since he posted. Something like 6 posts all together extolling the works of a debunked creationist/ID supporter - then when questioned on the fact the chap had been thoroughly debunked pretty much retorted:
"I don't listen to people that disagree because they're DEAD! If you don't have Jesus your DEAD and can't be right!"
And so on.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Its been a while since he posted. Something like 6 posts all together extolling the works of a debunked creationist/ID supporter - then when questioned on the fact the chap had been thoroughly debunked pretty much retorted:"I don't listen to people that disagree because they're DEAD! If you don't have Jesus your DEAD and can't be right!"
And so on.
Oh. So I wasn't missing much?
Originally posted by Jury
To Marchello,We'll have time to discuss the rest of the verses you quoted. Let's do it one after the other. Let's see if those verses really prove that Jesus is the ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD.
Let's do [b]Philippians 2:5-10
first. [/B]
Be as Christ was, but also understand that you can never fully comprehend what god is. And so you can not hope to explain him to anyone else.
but this guy's point of view is that Jesus was doing just that. Explaining because he had inside information...thus making him a member of a triune god.
Originally posted by Marchello
Page 4:The Scriptures bear abundant testimony that the Lord Jesus Christ IS God. The "jesus" that you say is YOUR "saviour" is NOT the JESUS of the SCRIPTURES...YOUR "jesus" is ANOTHER "jesus." YOUR "jesus"...changes...is NOT the ONLY Saviour...did NOT create the universe by Himself...is NOT the "Word of God"...is NOT the "FIRST and the LAST"...CANNOT forgive sins...is NOT the REDEEMER...is NOT "one with the Father"...is NOT "God's SON" but, rather, the DEVIL'S son...is NOT the Holy One of Israel...is NOT the Messiah...is NOT from "everlasting"...is NOT glorified by God...is NOT the GREAT "I AM"...cannot heal diseases...is NOT the JUDGE of the whole earth...has NO LIFE in himself...and, finally, your "jesus" NEVER ROSE FROM THE DEAD!!
MY JESUS [the GREAT God of the Universe and the world's ONLY Saviour]...ROSE from the DEAD...and sits at the RIGHT HAND of the FATHER (Psalms 110:1) and FOREVER makes intercession for us that love Him and await His RETURN in great GLORY and POWER. He is the ONE who will judge those who DENY His DEITY and LORDSHIP...and will make them His FOOTSTOOL. YOU will be among those who will be His FOOTSTOOL!
Marchello
*["That's not true. 'Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved' Acts 16:31. 'If you confess with your mouth that, (Jesus is Lord), and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.' Romans 10:9
In addition, everyone on the forum seems to like Jury (there's even a thread on it) and I believe that Jesus's love shines through. The evidence shows that he is saved. This is a theological issue, not a salvation issue."]
***You ARE in ERROR. There is NO POSSIBILITY that Jury is "saved"...for he has NO SAVIOUR! In his post [Page 131] he posted the following: "I am a Christian and Jesus is NOT God." He DENIES the DEITY of the Lord Jesus Christ. IF Jesus is NOT God...then He has NO POWER to FORGIVE sins [Mark 2:5;Psalm 103:2-3] and CANNOT be the SAVIOUR for ONLY God is SAVIOUR [Malachi 3:6;Hosea 13:4;Isaiah 45:21;19:20;Jude 1:12;Titus 2:10;1 Timothy 4:10;Luke 1:47]. Too, IF Jesus Christ is NOT God...then He is a SINNER, as is ALL of humanity [Romans 3:23;3:10-11;6:23;Ezekiel 18:4], and COULD NOT be SAVIOUR and would have to be redeemed Himself.
But...PRAISE be to God...He sent His SON, the Lord Jesus Christ...who is God come in the FLESH to REDEEM us...for He is God ALMIGHTY...the Holy One of Israel [Acts 2:27;3:13-14;13:34-35]...and, as such, ABLE to save us from our SINS.
As for your allegation that Jury confesses "Jesus is Lord"...you are a LIAR...he does NO SUCH THING! How can he confess that "Jesus is Lord" if he DENIES "Jesus is God"? Are you daft?
BOTTOM-LINE: Jury's "jesus" is NOT God...is NOT able to forgive sins [i.e., for he is a sinner himself and needs to be redeemed]...and, according to the Scriptures, CANNOT be Saviour...and IS NOT SAVIOUR!
It is irrelevant whether everyone on this forum loves Jury or not [their opinions and your's don't count]...for most are "lost" and do not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ...and, as such, cannot and do not distinquish the difference between true "love" and fleshly "love." When the Lord Jesus Christ was here on earth the "world" HATED Him and sent Him to the cross. In point of fact, "He came unto His own [i.e., people], and His own received Him NOT" [John 1:11]...and screamed "crucify Him!" So then...the "world" CANNOT and DOES NOT love Jesus...that is why He said, "If the world HATE you, ye know that it HATED ME before it HATED you" [John 15:18]. By REJECTING the DEITY of the Lord Jesus Christ...Jury shows his CONTEMPT and HATRED for the Lord Jesus and makes His SACRIFICE of naught.
This is the person YOU say is "saved"...however, the Scriptures say OTHERWISE. This IS a THEOLOGICAL issue...his ETERNAL destiny is CONTINGENT on WHO he says Jesus Christ IS. If Jesus Christ IS God [as the Scriptures testify]...and Jury CONTINUES to DENY His DEITY...Jury WILL DIE in his SINS IN HELL [John 8:24].
Marchello
ADDENDA:
It is not only a theological issue...but PRIMARILY a SALVATION issue...for IF JESUS CHRIST is NOT God...He can save NO ONE...for ONLY God can be SAVIOUR [Hosea 13:4;Titus 2:13-14]. If you CANNOT understand that...you, too, are NOT redeemed and in need of a Saviour.
BTW, WHEN were you "saved"? If you were ever saved you would be happy to have the chance to share it with others. I was saved on July 14th, 1996.
Marchello
Originally posted by Marchello
'Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved' Acts 16:31. 'If you confess with your mouth that, (Jesus is Lord), and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.' Romans 10:9***You ARE in ERROR. There is NO POSSIBILITY that Jury is "saved"...for he has NO SAVIOUR! In his post [Page 131] he posted the following: "I am a Christian and Jesus is NOT God." He DENIES the DEITY of the Lord Jesus Christ. IF Jesus is NOT God...then He has NO POWER to FORGIVE sins [Mark 2:5;Psalm 103:2-3] and CANNOT be the SAVIOUR for ONLY God is SAVIOUR [Malachi 3:6;Hosea 13:4;Isaiah 45:21;19:20;Jude 1:12;Titus 2:10;1 Timothy 4:10;Luke 1:47].
But...PRAISE be to God...He sent His SON, the Lord Jesus Christ...who is God come in the FLESH to REDEEM us...for He is God ALMIGHTY...the Holy One of Israel [Acts 2:27;3:13-14;13:34-35]...and, as such, ABLE to save us from our SINS.It is irrelevant whether everyone on this forum loves Jury or not [their opinions and your's don't count]...for most are "lost" and do not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ...When the Lord Jesus Christ was here on earth the "world" HATED Him and sent Him to the cross. So then...the "world" CANNOT and DOES NOT love Jesus...that is why He said, "If the world HATE you, ye know that it HATED ME before it HATED you" [John 15:18]. By REJECTING the DEITY of the Lord Jesus Christ...Jury shows his CONTEMPT and HATRED for the Lord Jesus and makes His SACRIFICE of naught.
This is the person YOU say is "saved"...however, the Scriptures say OTHERWISE. This IS a THEOLOGICAL issue...his ETERNAL destiny is CONTINGENT on WHO he says Jesus Christ IS. If Jesus Christ IS God [as the Scriptures testify]...and Jury CONTINUES to DENY His DEITY...Jury WILL DIE in his SINS IN HELL [John 8:24].
Originally posted by Alliance
Yes. People stopped payingthe church and opened their eyes. I cant imagine WHY that was written into the Bible 🙄
Originally posted by sonnet
Paying the church is up to you, and has nothing to do with Salvation. That is for free. People are lacking knowledge because they do not study God's Word, and do not listen to the Holy Spirit. They prefer to listen to people who do not even believe in God. And it was written in the Bible because God wanted it there and so that His Word can be complete.
No. People who lack knowledge are those who think that circular logic makes a point.
If god's word was so complete, why did it change, whiy did it appear in different texts across cultures?
So many gods and so many "one" gods.
Re: Is God and Jesus the same person?
Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
I am aware acouse that some relions think they are the same while others don't!Which makes it very confusing to me.
So what do you think and what are your thoughts on this?Remember there is no right or wrong answear!JM 😕 😮
Yes, although I've probably answered this somewhere here before...
Originally posted by Jury
I don't want to say it again, just reread my responses about that.
* why not? here's the verse:
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
Isaiah 9:6
* what an uncanny way of twisting the Scriptures... whose name is it? it is very clear, my friend, that it is the child's and NOT the government's...
* i want to make this clear: if you accept that the government is God, does your doctrine allows you to believe on two Gods? hence, the Father and the government?
Originally posted by Jury
And can you please quote [b]Titus 2:13 and 2 Peter 1:1 for me?[/B]
* sure, no problem...
"Awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,"
Titus 2:13
"Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours in the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:"
II Peter 1:1
* isn't Christ was proclaimed God by both Saint Paul and Saint Peter?
Originally posted by Jury
Long but EMPTY.Yes, Jesus is the Son of God... Not the God Himself.
Shall we discuss Philippians 2:5-10 then? Can you make your contention regarding this verse alone?
* here's Philippians 2:5-11... let us see your interpretation on these passages...
"Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
But emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross.
Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name,
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
And every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
Philippians 2:5-11
* it is more blatant in other translations...
"Your attitude should be the same that Christ Jesus had.
Though he was God, he did not demand and cling to his rights as God.
He made himself nothing; he took the humble position of a slave and appeared in human form.
And in human form he obediently humbled himself even further by dying a criminal's death on a cross.
Because of this, God raised him up to the heights of heaven and gave him a name that is above every other name,
So that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
And every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
Philippians 2:5-11
* Jesus Christ is clearly a God according to the Scriptures... 😉
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Be as Christ was, but also understand that you can never fully comprehend what god is. And so you can not hope to explain him to anyone else.but this guy's point of view is that Jesus was doing just that. Explaining because he had inside information...thus making him a member of a triune god.
Because God has MADE it PLAIN to us.
Originally posted by Marchello
*["That's not true. 'Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved' Acts 16:31. 'If you confess with your mouth that, (Jesus is Lord), and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.' Romans 10:9In addition, everyone on the forum seems to like Jury (there's even a thread on it) and I believe that Jesus's love shines through. The evidence shows that he is saved. This is a theological issue, not a salvation issue."]
***You ARE in ERROR. There is NO POSSIBILITY that Jury is "saved"...for he has NO SAVIOUR! In his post [Page 131] he posted the following: "I am a Christian and Jesus is NOT God." He DENIES the DEITY of the Lord Jesus Christ. IF Jesus is NOT God...then He has NO POWER to FORGIVE sins [Mark 2:5;Psalm 103:2-3] and CANNOT be the SAVIOUR for ONLY God is SAVIOUR [Malachi 3:6;Hosea 13:4;Isaiah 45:21;19:20;Jude 1:12;Titus 2:10;1 Timothy 4:10;Luke 1:47]. Too, IF Jesus Christ is NOT God...then He is a SINNER, as is ALL of humanity [Romans 3:23;3:10-11;6:23;Ezekiel 18:4], and COULD NOT be SAVIOUR and would have to be redeemed Himself.
But...PRAISE be to God...He sent His SON, the Lord Jesus Christ...who is God come in the FLESH to REDEEM us...for He is God ALMIGHTY...the Holy One of Israel [Acts 2:27;3:13-14;13:34-35]...and, as such, ABLE to save us from our SINS.
As for your allegation that Jury confesses "Jesus is Lord"...you are a LIAR...he does NO SUCH THING! How can he confess that "Jesus is Lord" if he DENIES "Jesus is God"? Are you daft?
BOTTOM-LINE: Jury's "jesus" is NOT God...is NOT able to forgive sins [i.e., for he is a sinner himself and needs to be redeemed]...and, according to the Scriptures, CANNOT be Saviour...and IS NOT SAVIOUR!
It is irrelevant whether everyone on this forum loves Jury or not [their opinions and your's don't count]...for most are "lost" and do not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ...and, as such, cannot and do not distinquish the difference between true "love" and fleshly "love." When the Lord Jesus Christ was here on earth the "world" HATED Him and sent Him to the cross. In point of fact, "He came unto His own [i.e., people], and His own received Him NOT" [John 1:11]...and screamed "crucify Him!" So then...the "world" CANNOT and DOES NOT love Jesus...that is why He said, "If the world HATE you, ye know that it HATED ME before it HATED you" [John 15:18]. By REJECTING the DEITY of the Lord Jesus Christ...Jury shows his CONTEMPT and HATRED for the Lord Jesus and makes His SACRIFICE of naught.
This is the person YOU say is "saved"...however, the Scriptures say OTHERWISE. This IS a THEOLOGICAL issue...his ETERNAL destiny is CONTINGENT on WHO he says Jesus Christ IS. If Jesus Christ IS God [as the Scriptures testify]...and Jury CONTINUES to DENY His DEITY...Jury WILL DIE in his SINS IN HELL [John 8:24].
Marchello
Shall we discuss Philippians 2:5-11?