Jesus Christ

* mr.jury, you did not responded to my post on page 136...

* i see you have a problem on Philippians 2:5-11...

"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
Philippians 2:6

* you question the divinity of Christ here? it is pretty obvious that Christ is a God because He was in the form of God before He was manifested in the flesh...

"Though he was God, he did not demand and cling to his rights as God."
New Living Translation

"Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God."
Contemporary English Version

* these translations reveal Christ as truly God...

* now, another question arises...

"But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
Philippians 2:7-8

* i, now, question your belief... why did you overlooked these verses?
Christ took upon the form of a servant,
Christ was made in the likeness of men,
Christ was found in fashion as a man? 😕

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However, Paul has rearranged the words in such a way as to produce an
affirmation of both one God, the Father, and one Lord, Jesus Christ...[it should be quite clear that Paul is including the Lord Jesus Christ in the unique divine identity]. He is redefining monotheism as christological monotheism. If he were understood as adding the one Lord to the one God of whom the Shema’ speaks, then, from the perspective of Jewish monotheism, he would certainly be producing not christological monotheism but out right di-theism. The addition of a unique Lord to the unique God of the Shema’ would flatly contradict the uniqueness of the latter. The only possible way to understand Paul as maintaining monotheism is to understand him to be including Jesus in the unique identity of the one God affirmed in the Shema’. But this is in any case clear from the fact that the term ‘Lord’, applied here to Jesus as the ‘one Lord’, is taken from the Shema’ itself...[i.e., Paul is not adding to the one God of the Shema’ a ‘Lord’ the Shema’ does not mention. He is identifying Jesus as the ‘Lord’ whom the Shema’ affirms to be one]. Thus, in Paul’s quite unprecedented reformulation of the Shema’, the unique identity of the one God consists of the one God, the Father, and the one Lord, his Messiah. Contrary to what many exegetes who have not sufficiently understood the way in which the unique identity of God was understood in Second Temple Judaism seem to suppose, by including Jesus in this unique identity Paul is certainly not repudiating Jewish monotheism, whereas were he merely associating Jesus with the unique God, he certainly would be repudiating monotheism."

Paul goes on to AFFIRM Jesus’ PREHUMAN EXISTENCE:

“I want you to know, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from [the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.]” (1 Corinthians 10:1-4)

Jesus was there sustaining and protecting the nation of Israel during the time of the Exodus! The OT says that the ROCK that nourished and provided for Israel was YAHWEH GOD:

"For I will proclaim the name of the LORD; ascribe greatness to our God! ["The ROCK, his WORK is PERFECT"], for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and WITHOUT INIQUITY [Sin], just and upright is he … But the LORD’s portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage. ["He found him in a desert land"], and in the howling waste of the wilderness; he encircled him, he cared for him, he kept him as the apple of his eye. Like an eagle that stirs up its nest, that flutters over its young, spreading out its wings, catching them, bearing them on its pinions, the LORD alone guided him, no foreign god was with him. He made him ride on the high places of the land, ["and he ate the produce of the field, and he suckled him with honey out of the ROCK, and oil out of the flinty ROCK"]. Curds from the herd, and milk from the flock, with fat of lambs, rams of Bashan and goats, with the very finest of the wheat-and you drank foaming wine made from the blood of the grape.

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But Jeshurun grew fat, and kicked; you grew fat, stout, and sleek; ["then he forsook God who made him and scoffed at the ROCK of his salvation."] They stirred him to jealousy with strange gods; with abominations they provoked him to anger. They sacrificed to demons that were no gods, to gods they had never known, to new gods that had come recently, whom your fathers had never dreaded. ["You were unmindful of the ROCK that bore you, and you forgot the God who gave you birth."] The LORD saw it and spurned them, because of the provocation of his sons and his daughters. And he said, ‘I will hide my face from them; I will see what their end will be, For they are a perverse generation, children in whom is no faithfulness. They have made me jealous with what is no god; they have provoked me to anger with their idols … If they were wise, they would understand this; they would discern their latter end! How could one have chased a thousand, and two have put ten thousand to flight, [unless their ROCK had sold them, and the LORD had given them up? For their rock is not as our ROCK;] our enemies are by themselves … For the LORD will vindicate his people and have compassion on his servants, when he sees that their power is gone and there is none remaining, bond or free. Then he will say, ["Where are their gods, the rock in which they took refuge, who ate the fat of their sacrifices and drank the wine of their drink offering?] Let them rise up and help you; let them be your protection! See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand.’" (Deuteronomy 32:3-4, 9-21, 29-31, 36-39)

Paul is saying that the YAHWEH who provided for Israel was actually the Lord Jesus Christ!

Here is the final example from 1 Corinthians:

“Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, [and by which you are being saved], if you hold fast to the word I preached to you--unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: [0that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures], that he was buried, [that he was raised on the third day] in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. [Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, MOST OF WHOM ARE STILL ALIVE, though some have fallen asleep]. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.” (1 Corinthians 15:1-8)

Another Pauline epistle that has a very high Christology is Romans:

"because, [if you CONFESS with your lips THAT JESUS IS LORD] and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For man believes with his heart and so is justified, and he confesses with his lips and so is saved. The scripture says, ["No one who believes in him will be put to shame."] For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; [the same Lord is Lord of all and bestows his riches upon ALL WHO CALL UPON HIM]. For, '"every one who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved."] (Romans 10:9-13)

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Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I also never quote Grimm's Fairy Tales or Greek mythology.

Maybe you should. I'm sure there is a good site out there you can cut an paste from. 😉

Grimm's 😐

Greek Mythology droolio

Originally posted by Alliance
Grimm's 😐

Greek Mythology droolio

Geek Mythology

But there is no better mythology then Christian mythology. Jesus and twelve guys and only one girl among them. 😱

No. Sorry. Greek is better 100 times over.

Originally posted by Alliance
No. Sorry. Greek is better 100 times over.

Boy, have you been arguing with someone who gives a damn?

Shaky swore....

😆

Anyway did Shakya die?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Shaky swore....

I have news for you, damn is not a swore word. I saw it in Gone With The Wind, so it can't be bad. 😛

Originally posted by Alliance
😆

Anyway did Shakya die?

No, just got back from vacation. 💃

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have news for you, damn is not a swore word. I saw it in Gone With The Wind, so it can't be bad. 😛

No, just got back from vacation. 💃

You get back from London and swear here.........hahahaha........Those damn english people. 😠

Originally posted by debbiejo
😂

You get back from London and swear here.........hahahaha........Those damn english people. 😠

But what does that have to do with Jesus? 😛

Jesus died.

Originally posted by Alliance
Jesus died.

And came back to life in a new body. It's called reincarnation. 😉

yep, he's dead.......and never went to London.

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Paul, in Romans 10:9-13 was applying the following OT text to Jesus:

“And it shall come to pass [that everyone who calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved]. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the LORD has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the LORD calls.” (Joel 2:32)

Paul is saying that calling on the name of Jesus is the same as calling upon the name of YAHWEH GOD!

Paul also says that Jesus PERSONALLY INDWELLS all true believers, and that God’s Spirit is ALSO Christ’s Spirit:

"For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: [sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh] and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh… But you are not in the flesh, [you are IN the Spirit], if in fact [the Spirit of God DWELLS IN YOU]. Any one who does not have [the Spirit of Christ] does not belong to him. [But if Christ is IN YOU], although your bodies are dead because of sin, your spirits are alive because of righteousness." (Romans 8:3, 9-10)

If this weren’t sufficient enough to establish Jesus’ full Deity, Paul goes on to call Jesus "God forever blessed":

“To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ [who is God over all, blessed forever]. Amen.” (Romans 9:5)

One of the greatest Greek Grammarians who ever lived, A.T. Robertson, stated:

"Of whom" [ex wn]. Fourth relative clause and here with [ex] and the ablative. Christ [o Cristoß]. The Messiah. "As concerning the flesh" [to kata sarka]. Accusative of general reference, "as to the according to the flesh." Paul limits the descent of Jesus from the Jews to his human side as he did in Acts 1:3. "Who is over all, God blessed for ever [o on epi
pantwn qeoß euloghtoß]. A clear statement of the Deity of Christ following the remark about his humanity. This is the natural and the obvious way of punctuating the sentence. To make a full stop after "sarka" (or colon) and start a new sentence for the doxology is
very abrupt and awkward [See Acts 20:28; Titus 2:13 for Paul’s use of "qeoß" applied to Jesus Christ.]

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Paul also identifies Jesus as the Sovereign Lord of both the LIVING and the DEAD:

"If we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord; so then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we shall all stand before the
judgment seat of God; for it is written, 'As I live, says the Lord, [every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God.'] So each of us shall give account of himself to God.’" (Romans 14:8-11)

We now turn to another one of Paul’s undisputed letters, the epistle to the Philippians. Paul writes:

"Paul and Timothy, [slaves of Christ Jesus, To all the saints IN Christ Jesus] who are at Philippi, with the overseers and deacons: Grace to you and peace [from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."] (Philippians 1:1-2)

"And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion [at the Day of Jesus Christ]. It is right for me to feel this way about you all, because I hold you in my heart, for you are all partakers with me of grace, both in my imprisonment and in the defense and confirmation of the gospel. [For God is my witness, how I yearn for you all with the affection (love) of Christ Jesus]. And it is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment, so that you may approve what is excellent, [and so be pure and blameless for the Day of Christ], filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God." (Philippians 1:6-11)

"for I know that through your prayers [and the help of the Spirit of Jesus Christ] this will turn out for my deliverance," (Philippians 1:19)

Within a few short verses, Paul affirms the ABSOLUTE Deity and SOVEREIGNTY of the Lord Jesus. Paul is a slave of Jesus, all the saints are in Jesus (meaning in union and fellowship with Christ), the Day of
Judgment is the Day of Christ Jesus, the fruits of righteousness come through the agency of Christ to all believers, the Holy Spirit is Jesus’ Spirit, and love for believers comes from Christ who is the Source of
all true affection and love.

This isn’t the only time where Paul identifies the Day of Judgment, the Day of Resurrection, as the Day of the Lord Jesus:

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Originally posted by Alliance
Grimm's 😐

Greek Mythology droolio

Unless you consider Greek mythology truth, I'd reconsider your use of smilies.

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"so that you are not lacking in any spiritual gift, as you wait [for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ], who will sustain you to the end, guiltless [in the Day of our Lord Jesus Christ]. God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship [of his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord."] (1 Corinthians 1:7-9)

In light of the OT background, this identifies Jesus as YAHWEH GOD since this Day is consistently referred to as the Day of Yahweh:

"Blow a trumpet in Zion; sound an alarm on my holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble, [for the Day of Yahweh is coming]; it is near, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick
darkness! Like blackness there is spread upon the mountains a great and powerful people; their like has never been before, nor will be again
after them through the years of all generations... Yahweh utters his voice before his army, for his camp is exceedingly great; he who executes his word is powerful. [For the Day of Yahweh is great and very awesome; who can endure it?"] (Joel 2:1, 11)

“Woe to you who desire [the Day of Yahweh!] Why would you have [the Day of Yahweh?] It is darkness, and not light, as if a man fled from a lion, and a bear met him, or went into the house and leaned his hand against the wall, and a serpent bit him. Is not [the Day of the Yahweh] darkness, and not light, and gloom with no brightness in it?” (Amos 5:18-20)

"Be silent before the Lord Yahweh! For the Day of Yahweh is near; Yahweh has prepared a sacrifice and consecrated his guests. And on the Day of Yahweh’s sacrifice-- 'I will punish the officials and the king’s sons and all who array themselves in foreign attire. On that day I will punish everyone who leaps over the threshold, and those who fill their master’s house with violence and fraud.'" (Zephaniah 1:7-9)

"[The great Day of Yahweh is near], near and hastening fast; [the sound of the Day of Yahweh is bitter]; the mighty man cries aloud there. A day of wrath is that day, a day of distress and anguish, a day of ruin and devastation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness, a day of trumpet blast and battle cry against the fortified cities
and against the lofty battlements." (Zephaniah 1:14-16)

Paul also affirms Christ’s RESURRECTION and OMNIPOTENCE:

“And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith-- that I may know him and the [power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death], that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead… But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, [who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.”] (Philippians 3:9-11, 20-21)

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