Jesus Christ

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You fail to understand what I am talking about. You claim that your religion is special, I do not make that claim about my religion. You are waiting for a dead man to return, I clearly understand that Buddha is dead, and am not waiting for anyone to return. Believe what you wish, but answer me this one question: If your religion is so true, then why do you need to attack other people for believing differently?

I usually don't see peejay in particular attacking anyone but maybe I missed something.

Peejay's past actions are not the point. There is room for a debate on the nature of Buddhism as a religion. There is not with christianity.

however, shaky, to answer your question; the need to attack another's PERSONAL, religious beliefs is deeply centered on insecurity. If someone is completely faithful in their own religion and how right they are for having chosen it as their own, then they would not need to condemn another for their choice. I've been saying this for years on this forum. Religious fanatacism, be it hindu, christian or muslim, is all born out of insecurity. People like JIA and Marchello get teh urge to preach at people becuae if anyone disagrees with their position, then there is room for them being wrong in that perspective. That can't be allowed in terms of their own self-gratification and peace of mind. Then you have religious members like Feceman who understand that not all the answers have been provided and are open-minded enough to listen to someone else's perspective. (Not that that makes you right in your positions Fece, but respected none the less.)

I have never, and will never, condemn someone for being a christian. I will condemn a christian for thinking they have the exclusive rights to the truth. For me, personally, I believe that there is a greater "truth" out there. A truth to which none of us are universally privy. A truth that is far beyond our comprehesion. A truth that I'm willing to accept DOES NOT EXIST AT ALL. And to stand in teh face of someone else who doesn't believe the same fairy tale to which you subscribe and call them crazy is insane in and of itself. Life is fluid. And that implies some measure of tolerance for another's point of view. Especially when it comes to religion. Maybe I have answers to your questions because I've considered the situation from a different perspective. Maybe you do too. But I'm not going to listen as long as you profess to have all the answers, as well as all teh questions.

Especially if the buisness of your religion is the condemnation of everyone else in the world. Jesus would be ashamed of so many of the people on this board who profess to speak for him. Ashamed and insulted. And they would know that if they had a tenth of the "personal relationship" with him they claim to have.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
More bible quotes that prove not one damn thing.

Wrong; they prove that ink sticks to paper.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You fail to understand what I am talking about. You claim that your religion is special, I do not make that claim about my religion.

* it's natural for Christians to claim that Christianity is special... and it's also natural for a Buddhist to claim that Buddhism is special... you are weird...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are waiting for a dead man to return, I clearly understand that Buddha is dead, and am not waiting for anyone to return.

* we have different beliefs, my friend... accept that fact... i'm not waiting for the return of a dead man, i'm waiting for the return of a great God and Saviour (Titus 2:13)...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Believe what you wish, but answer me this one question: If your religion is so true, then why do you need to attack other people for believing differently?

* attack? i'm correcting other people using the Bible... by which you should be out of the question because you are a Buddhist...

* question: if your religion is so true, then why do you need to attack other people for believing differently? i don't tackle your belief, why are you sticking your nose on mine? i think your "question" is for you... 😉

Gods word attacking gods word........how interesting to the faith........

Originally posted by peejayd
* it's natural for Christians to claim that Christianity is special... and it's also natural for a Buddhist to claim that Buddhism is special... you are weird...

My point is that Christianity claims that it is special in a supernatural way, but when confronted with their behavior, they resort to attaching. I am not filled with the holly spirit nor do I have a personal relationship with the son of god, so I should not be as spiritually enlightened as you, but you seem to be just like me. Therefore your claim of higher spirituality is ether false, or I am just as filled with the holly spirit and the son of god as you are. I personally believe that your religion is wrong, but that is just my opinion.

* we have different beliefs, my friend... accept that fact... i'm not waiting for the return of a dead man, i'm waiting for the return of a great God and Saviour (Titus 2:13)...

I understand, I once believed as you do. Don’t waist your life.

* attack? i'm correcting other people using the Bible... by which you should be out of the question because you are a Buddhist...

I wasn’t talking about you in particular; I was speaking in general. I was hoping you could give me some insight into why Christians, on this forum, are some of the most hostel people. I don’t consider you to be that way, and there are other who are not always attacking.

* question: if your religion is so true, then why do you need to attack other people for believing differently? i don't tackle your belief, why are you sticking your nose on mine? i think your "question" is for you... 😉

True is irrelevant to my religion. Some god did not hand down my religion to me. It is the product of thousands of years, and of intelligent people who looked at the human condition and gave us the gift of insight to live a better life. You should tackle my belief. What I have is a better life now; I do not have to wait.

I just don’t see the fruit of the claim that some Christians make on this forum.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
My point is that Christianity claims that it is special in a supernatural way, but when confronted with their behavior, they resort to attaching.

* and you think i am one of those? do you think i am one of them? or are you generalizing all people who claims to be "christians"?

* you see, like what i always say... there are plenty false Christians nowadays... REAL Christians are those in the Bible... and if a person claims to be a Christian but fails to abide the law of Christ in the Bible, then that person is NOT a Christian... i hope you got my point...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am not filled with the holly spirit nor do I have a personal relationship with the son of god, so I should not be as spiritually enlightened as you, but you seem to be just like me. Therefore your claim of higher spirituality is ether false, or I am just as filled with the holly spirit and the son of god as you are. I personally believe that your religion is wrong, but that is just my opinion.

* i did not say you were this or that... i just corrected your statement according to the Bible...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I understand, I once believed as you do. Don’t waist your life.

* i'm not... and i believe that your former belief in not the same as mine...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I wasn’t talking about you in particular; I was speaking in general. I was hoping you could give me some insight into why Christians, on this forum, are some of the most hostel people. I don’t consider you to be that way, and there are other who are not always attacking.

* you mean hostile? unfriendly? aggressive? Christians in the Bible are meek and humble... maybe they are not real Christians...

* however, discussing the faith with emphasis is not a violation according to the Bible... feel free to discuss, that's why we're here, right?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
True is irrelevant to my religion. Some god did not hand down my religion to me. It is the product of thousands of years, and of intelligent people who looked at the human condition and gave us the gift of insight to live a better life. You should tackle my belief. What I have is a better life now; I do not have to wait.

I just don’t see the fruit of the claim that some Christians make on this forum.

* well, to tell you something about myself, i was a former Catholic... and now that i consider myself to be Christian (according to the Bible), my life is better now... just like you in your religion now...

* fact: we differ in belief and i respect your decision... we are open for discussion, so please do not consider my responses as "attacks", i'm not correcting something according to the Bible... 😉

OMG Jesus is SO Good with the tongue ! droolio

Originally posted by peejayd
* and you think i am one of those? do you think i am one of them? or are you generalizing all people who claims to be "christians"?

* you see, like what i always say... there are plenty false Christians nowadays... REAL Christians are those in the Bible... and if a person claims to be a Christian but fails to abide the law of Christ in the Bible, then that person is NOT a Christian... i hope you got my point...

* i did not say you were this or that... i just corrected your statement according to the Bible...

* i'm not... and i believe that your former belief in not the same as mine...

* you mean hostile? unfriendly? aggressive? Christians in the Bible are meek and humble... maybe they are not real Christians...

* however, discussing the faith with emphasis is not a violation according to the Bible... feel free to discuss, that's why we're here, right?

* well, to tell you something about myself, i was a former Catholic... and now that i consider myself to be Christian (according to the Bible), my life is better now... just like you in your religion now...

* fact: we differ in belief and i respect your decision... we are open for discussion, so please do not consider my responses as "attacks", i'm not correcting something according to the Bible... 😉

So basically, if someone does not act according to your interpretation, or the bible, as you put it, then they are not true Christians? The problem is how do I tell the difference?

Are there true Christians in prison? What I mean is, once a person has done a crime worthy of imprisonment, are they no longer a true Christian, if they wear one before?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So basically, if someone does not act according to your interpretation, or the bible, as you put it, then they are not true Christians? The problem is how do I tell the difference?

* not according to my interpretation, but according to the law of God and Christ in the Bible... for example, it is against the law of God to kill, if a person kills, that person is not a Christian even if he stubbornly claims he is...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Are there true Christians in prison?

* yes, there are... some Christians are put to prison with no reason, sometimes they are only blamed for things they did not do... and some are converts, people who really did terrible things but converted and repented...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What I mean is, once a person has done a crime worthy of imprisonment, are they no longer a true Christian, if they wear one before?

* let me quote good Bible verses for this one...

"Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.
Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, Brethren, what shall we do?
And Peter said to them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:36-38

* you see, every person deserves forgiveness and salvation, even those people who killed Jesus, they were offered salvation by Saint Peter because they have not yet known the doctrine of Christ... but once they have known it, and did something against the law of God...

"For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
And have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come,
If they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt."
Hebrews 6:4-6

* when a person already repented, was forgiven and was enlightened, then commit apostasy, they are excommunicated... 😉

You're all wasting your time. So long as you piss in each other's faces, you're wasting time. If you want to believe that Jesus is the one, undisputed son of god and his messenger on earth, destined to return to lead an army of "the meek", that's your issue. If you think Buddha had it right in proclaiming the middle path as teh only true path to enlightenment, then that's your bag. But the whole bunch of you want to argue, and that solves not one damned thing. Especially when one of you profess to have the market cornered on teh commodity of truth. As soon as you all realize you haven't got the trump card in your bag of tricks, then we can all move on. Until then, feel free to piss, shit and jerk off all over each other. Some times extremeism is a valid point of view. Sometimes the middle path that causes the least amount of waves is the right choice. But until you all realize that logic and harmony are what everyone needs, you're all just pissing in the wind.

Once again, I find that not one person who professes to speak for Jesus the CHRIST on these forums are willing to refute what I say. And that's because to profess that you speak for GOD/JESUS is to be a liar. Quote all teh bible passages you want. But until your mother tells you she didn't **** you father, but you were born anyway, then shut the **** up!

Originally posted by Alliance
Jesus died.

***But the grave COULDN'T hold Him...and He LIVES forever more!...and because He LIVES we [who TRUST in His BLOOD ATONEMENT for us] will LIVE. Here is what our Saviour PROMISED us: "...I am the RESURRECTION and the LIFE...he that BELIEVETH in ME...though he were DEAD, yet SHALL he LIVE...and whosoever LIVETH and BELIEVETH in ME, SHALL NEVER DIE." [John 11:25,26]

Marchello

*['You're all wasting your time. So long as you piss in each other's faces, you're wasting time. If you want to believe that Jesus is the one, undisputed son of god and his messenger on earth, destined to return to lead an army of "the meek", that's your issue..."]

***We don't have an "ISSUE"...we have a "privilege" extended to us by God who predestinated us unto salvation through His Son Jesus.

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*["...But the whole bunch of you want to argue, and that solves not one damned thing..."]

Christians DON'T argue...we DECLARE!

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*["...Especially when one of you profess to have the market cornered on teh commodity of truth. As soon as you all realize you haven't got the trump card in your bag of tricks, then we can all move on..."]

***Christians don't gamble so we have no use for "trump cards." Too, we are NOT magicians...so we, also, have no need for a "bag of tricks."
However, we DO have the "corner" on the "truth"...for our Lord said: "...I AM the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE: NO MAN cometh unto the Father but BY ME." [John 14:6]

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*["...I find that not one person who professes to speak for Jesus the CHRIST on these forums are willing to refute what I say. And that's because to profess that you speak for GOD/JESUS is to be a liar..."]

***The REASON that no one "who professes to speak for Jesus" is willing to "refute" what you say is because "YOU say NOTHING."

Marchello

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Again. That's a great non-answer. But if you can't provide a logical argument for the things I've presented in this conversation, just don't say anything.

***Since you've presented NOTHING, I cannot respond.

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
***Since you've presented NOTHING, I cannot respond.

Marchello

If you mean I haven't quoted the bible, then you're absolutely correct.

however, I have chosen a lot of other "christian threads" to speak in. None of which you have chosen to participate, or respond.

Originally posted by Marchello
***But the grave COULDN'T hold Him...and He LIVES forever more!...and because He LIVES we [who TRUST in His BLOOD ATONEMENT for us] will LIVE. Here is what our Saviour PROMISED us: "...I am the RESURRECTION and the LIFE...he that BELIEVETH in ME...though he were DEAD, yet SHALL he LIVE...and whosoever LIVETH and BELIEVETH in ME, SHALL NEVER DIE." [John 11:25,26]

Marchello

Yeah. ok. 1234

LOL

Originally posted by Marchello
***But the grave COULDN'T hold Him...and He LIVES forever more!...and because He LIVES we [who TRUST in His BLOOD ATONEMENT for us] will LIVE. Here is what our Saviour PROMISED us: "...I am the RESURRECTION and the LIFE...he that BELIEVETH in ME...though he were DEAD, yet SHALL he LIVE...and whosoever LIVETH and BELIEVETH in ME, SHALL NEVER DIE." [John 11:25,26]

Marchello

Dude, you really need to get laid...or read a book...or take Zoloft.

I had sex with Jesus two nights ago, and OMG IT WAS DIVINE ! droolio

He's realllly kinky bro...he has a dildo shaped like a cross !

Originally posted by peejayd
* not according to my interpretation, but according to the law of God and Christ in the Bible... for example, it is against the law of God to kill, if a person kills, that person is not a Christian even if he stubbornly claims he is...

* yes, there are... some Christians are put to prison with no reason, sometimes they are only blamed for things they did not do... and some are converts, people who really did terrible things but converted and repented...

* let me quote good Bible verses for this one...

"Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.
Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, Brethren, what shall we do?
And Peter said to them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:36-38

* you see, every person deserves forgiveness and salvation, even those people who killed Jesus, they were offered salvation by Saint Peter because they have not yet known the doctrine of Christ... but once they have known it, and did something against the law of God...

"For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
And have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come,
If they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt."
Hebrews 6:4-6

* when a person already repented, was forgiven and was enlightened, then commit apostasy, they are excommunicated... 😉

So, if a person is a true Christian and then commits a crime that makes him/her not a true Christian, can they then repent and become a true Christian again?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
You're all wasting your time. So long as you piss in each other's faces, you're wasting time. If you want to believe that Jesus is the one, undisputed son of god and his messenger on earth, destined to return to lead an army of "the meek", that's your issue. If you think Buddha had it right in proclaiming the middle path as teh only true path to enlightenment, then that's your bag. But the whole bunch of you want to argue, and that solves not one damned thing. Especially when one of you profess to have the market cornered on teh commodity of truth. As soon as you all realize you haven't got the trump card in your bag of tricks, then we can all move on. Until then, feel free to piss, shit and jerk off all over each other. Some times extremeism is a valid point of view. Sometimes the middle path that causes the least amount of waves is the right choice. But until you all realize that logic and harmony are what everyone needs, you're all just pissing in the wind.

Once again, I find that not one person who professes to speak for Jesus the CHRIST on these forums are willing to refute what I say. And that's because to profess that you speak for GOD/JESUS is to be a liar. Quote all teh bible passages you want. But until your mother tells you she didn't **** you father, but you were born anyway, then shut the **** up!

Don't let yourself get all upset, please. It will do no good. I understand where you are coming and agree with you, and they will not listen.