Originally posted by Alliance
It would be prudent for you to read anythign but the bible for a change.
***I am a voracious reader and have read [and STILL do read] MANY more books than you...and a greater VARIETY of those books in the process. I am a university graduate with a post-graduate degree...and I venture to say that you DO NOT have my credentials.
So, sir, it would do you well to measure your words...for, in reality, you have a relatively "empty head" [i.e., a head full of "mush"] and know not from whence you speak. I base my conclusion on the "content" of your posts on this thread which, in point of fact, contain NO "content" at all.
Contrary to what you and others on this thread "allege" by your comments...Biblical Christians DO NOT base their faith on fables...NOR do we blindly follow leaders of some denomination with their "pet doctrines" which are ALIEN to the Scriptures [our SOLE basis for AUTHORITY]! In fact, the dean of our engineering school is a deeply devout Biblical Christian...and a Sunday school teacher. I KNOW, of a certainty, that you could NEVER meet the requirements for graduation...NOR...even meet the requirements for ENTRY into his engineering classes.
BOTTOM-LINE: I would venture to say, of a certainty, that you've NEVER really read the Bible NOR investigated it's claims. Therefore, I must tell you that your comments are NOT APPLICABLE [N/A] to me and IGNORANT at best.
Marchello
Originally posted by Marchello
***I am a voracious reader and have read [and STILL do read] MANY more books than you...and a greater VARIETY of those books in the process. I am a university graduate with a post-graduate degree...and I venture to say that you DO NOT have my credentials.So, sir, it would do you well to measure your words...for, in reality, you have a relatively "empty head" [i.e., a head full of "mush"] and know not from whence you speak. I base my conclusion on the "content" of your posts on this thread which, in point of fact, contain NO "content" at all.
Contrary to what you and others on this thread "allege" by your comments...Biblical Christians DO NOT base their faith on fables...NOR do we blindly follow leaders of some denomination with their "pet doctrines" which are ALIEN to the Scriptures [our SOLE basis for AUTHORITY]! In fact, the dean of our engineering school is a deeply devout Biblical Christian...and a Sunday school teacher. I KNOW, of a certainty, that you could NEVER meet the requirements for graduation...NOR...even meet the requirements for ENTRY into his engineering classes.
BOTTOM-LINE: I would venture to say, of a certainty, that you've NEVER really read the Bible NOR investigated it's claims. Therefore, I must tell you that your comments are NOT APPLICABLE [N/A] to me and IGNORANT at best.
Marchello
You maybe book smart, but what I see from your posts is anger and pride. Why is that?
BTW I've been a Mechanical Designer for the last 16 years. Job experience is for more important then degrees.
Originally posted by Marchello
***I am a voracious reader and have read [and STILL do read] MANY more books than you...and a greater VARIETY of those books in the process. I am a university graduate with a post-graduate degree...and I venture to say that you DO NOT have my credentials.So, sir, it would do you well to measure your words...for, in reality, you have a relatively "empty head" [i.e., a head full of "mush"] and know not from whence you speak. I base my conclusion on the "content" of your posts on this thread which, in point of fact, contain NO "content" at all.
Contrary to what you and others on this thread "allege" by your comments...Biblical Christians DO NOT base their faith on fables...NOR do we blindly follow leaders of some denomination with their "pet doctrines" which are ALIEN to the Scriptures [our SOLE basis for AUTHORITY]! In fact, the dean of our engineering school is a deeply devout Biblical Christian...and a Sunday school teacher. I KNOW, of a certainty, that you could NEVER meet the requirements for graduation...NOR...even meet the requirements for ENTRY into his engineering classes.
BOTTOM-LINE: I would venture to say, of a certainty, that you've NEVER really read the Bible NOR investigated it's claims. Therefore, I must tell you that your comments are NOT APPLICABLE [N/A] to me and IGNORANT at best.
Marchello
😆 Wow. What did you get your degrees in? From which institutions?
As you ignorance shows... I have both read the bible and studied it historically as literature and as a social tool.
I also am attending one of the most prestigious public universities in the United States and pursuing two degrees both with comprehensive honors. I am one of the most intelligent people I know. I never said religious people couldnt be smart, but you secifically seem to do nothing but spew ignorance.
If you think the bible is infallable, you are incorrect. It was written by man, and therefore, fallible.
Originally posted by Alliance
😆 Wow. What did you get your degrees in? From which institutions?As you ignorance shows... I have both read the bible and studied it historically as literature and as a social tool.
I also am attending one of the most prestigious public universities in the United States and pursuing two degrees both with comprehensive honors. I am one of the most intelligent people I know. I never said religious people couldnt be smart, but you secifically seem to do nothing but spew ignorance.
If you think the bible is infallable, you are incorrect. It was written by man, and therefore, fallible.
I wouldn't get too caught up in his attempt to bait you. Both of you can espouse all sorts of educational credentials, but in the end neither of you are going to believe the other. As it is, every member of this board carry at least two or three degrees to back up their arguments.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Wait... I only wanted what Jesus said. I think that was the first one only, is that correct?I don't see how this has anything to do with once saved always saved.
Please let us constrain our conversation to only the words of Jesus, and not what the other people in the bible had to say. The only credible part of the bible, in my opinion, is the words of Jesus. I do not count anything claimed to be said by Jesus after his death to be the words of Jesus. The words of Jesus are the only part of the bible I will read. If you wish to continue this conversation you must use only the words of Jesus. Do you agree to meat with my over barring restrictions?
* i understand your point, but can you also consider these pronouncements of Jesus Himself?
"He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."
Luke 10:16
"He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me."
Matthew 10:40
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who receives any one whom I send receives me; and he who receives me receives him who sent me."
John 13:20
* Jesus says those who hears and receives His disciples, it is He (Jesus) we are hearing and receiving...
"And Jesus came and said to them, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."
Matthew 28:18-20
* the disciples are commanded by Jesus to teach people to observe all that He had commanded...
"If any one thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that what I am writing to you is a command of the Lord."
I Corinthians 14:37
* Saint Paul reveals that his writings are commandment of Jesus...
"First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,
Because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."
II Peter 1:20-21
* Saint Peter tells us that there are people being moved by the Holy Spirit of God...
* now, inspite of all the verses i gave from Jesus' words, can't you still consider the words of the disciples?
* however, if you feel you still want to hear the words of Jesus, let us read this...
"So Jesus said, When you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority but speak thus as the Father taught me.
And he who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what is pleasing to him.
As he spoke thus, many believed in him."
John 8:28-30
* when Jesus preached here, many people believed Him... but is believing enough? are those people who believed already saved? let us read the proceeding verse...
"Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples,
And you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32
* Jesus says it's not enough... those who believe in Him must CONTINUE in His word... because keeping Jesus' word, His laws, is an act of love for Him...
"If you love me, you will keep my commandments."
John 14:15
"He who has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me; and he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him."
John 14:21
"As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you; abide in my love.
If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love."
John 15:9-10
* this is my stand - once a person is forgiven, his salvation could be lost if that person does not continue in Jesus' word... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* i understand your point, but can you also consider these pronouncements of Jesus Himself?"He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."
Luke 10:16"He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me."
Matthew 10:40"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who receives any one whom I send receives me; and he who receives me receives him who sent me."
John 13:20* Jesus says those who hears and receives His disciples, it is He (Jesus) we are hearing and receiving...
"And Jesus came and said to them, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."
Matthew 28:18-20* the disciples are commanded by Jesus to teach people to observe all that He had commanded...
"If any one thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that what I am writing to you is a command of the Lord."
I Corinthians 14:37* Saint Paul reveals that his writings are commandment of Jesus...
"First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,
Because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."
II Peter 1:20-21* Saint Peter tells us that there are people being moved by the Holy Spirit of God...
* now, inspite of all the verses i gave from Jesus' words, can't you still consider the words of the disciples?
* however, if you feel you still want to hear the words of Jesus, let us read this...
"So Jesus said, When you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority but speak thus as the Father taught me.
And he who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what is pleasing to him.
As he spoke thus, many believed in him."
John 8:28-30* when Jesus preached here, many people believed Him... but is believing enough? are those people who believed already saved? let us read the proceeding verse...
"Jesus then said to [B]the Jews who had believed in him
, If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples,
And you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32* Jesus says it's not enough... those who believe in Him must CONTINUE in His word... because keeping Jesus' word, His laws, is an act of love for Him...
"If you love me, you will keep my commandments."
John 14:15"He who has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me; and he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him."
John 14:21"As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you; abide in my love.
If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love."
John 15:9-10* this is my stand - once a person is forgiven, his salvation could be lost if that person does not continue in Jesus' word... 😉 [/B]
So, you believe that once you are saved, you can loose your salvation, if you do wrong to some undetermined degree. Also, those who Jesus taught have authority given to them by Jesus. Would you say that true Christians are representatives of Jesus here on Earth? Also, would the act of keeping people away from the teachings of Jesus be a sin worthy of the loss of your salvation?
*["...I have both read the bible and studied it historically as literature and as a social tool..."]
***Not so. You have been indoctrinated [i.e., programmed] by the public universities to disavow any "god" but the "god" of SECULAR HUMANISM...whose "god" is MAN! That is WHY you are HOSTILE to us who believe in the God of Israel...the God of the Bible [i.e., Jesus Christ].
The truth of the matter is that the universities are run by the "most religious" people in the country...a religion where "man" is "god"...where "man" is the object of worship...to the EXCLUSION of any other "god." That is why there is a CONCERTED effort on the part of academia to do away with the JUDEO-CHRISTIAN concept of God in ALL public educational facilities in this country...to turn out "secular-humanistic robots" like YOU...who know NOT the God of the Bible and who will bring forth their "god"...the "god" of this world-system... Antichrist!
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*["...I am one of the most intelligent people I know..."]
***But of course! BTW...did you know the moon is REALLY made of cheese?
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*["...I never said religious people couldnt be smart,..."]
***Never?...you could have fooled me!!!
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*["...but you secifically seem to do nothing but spew ignorance..."]
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*["...If you think the bible is infallable, you are incorrect. It was written by man, and therefore, fallible."]
***Man did NOT write the Bible [i.e., Scriptures]. God INSPIRED the Scriptures and MOVED man to write down HIS words...to wit: "All scripture is given by INSPIRATION of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." [2 Timothy 3:16].
Secular-Humanists like you would love to "do away" with the Bible and those who trust in it. The best way to do this, in your mind, is to destroy it's "credibility". If you can do that...then there would be NO standard of righteousness...and you and your kind could supplant it's "standard" with YOUR 'standard" [i.e.; Man's]...and your "god" [i.e.; MAN] would be the ONLY "god."
BOTTOM-LINE: You do NOT want the GOD OF THE SCRIPTURES to rule over you...you want the "god" of your OWN creation [i.e.; Man's "god"] to rule over you. You'll get him. He, in truth, is the "god" of this world...and his name is ANTICHRIST!. Read what the ultimate end of YOUR "god" is: "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE and BRIMSTONE, where the BEAST [i.e., ANTICHRIST] and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." [Revelations 20:10].
Marchello
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, you believe that once you are saved, you can loose your salvation, if you do wrong to some undetermined degree.
* yes... however, not undetermined degree... there are sins that can be forgiven, and there are sins that cannot be...
"If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that."
I John 5:16
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Also, those who Jesus taught have authority given to them by Jesus. Would you say that true Christians are representatives of Jesus here on Earth?
* yes... those Christians who are in the Bible... not the self-professed "christians" nowadays...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Also, would the act of keeping people away from the teachings of Jesus be a sin worthy of the loss of your salvation?
* who's keeping people away from the teachings of Jesus? if someone's deliberately and blatantly doing that, that person will not lose any because that person is not saved in the first place...
* real Christians in the Bible do not keep people away from Jesus' teachings, but preaching the word of Jesus... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* yes... however, not undetermined degree... there are sins that can be forgiven, and there are sins that cannot be..."If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that."
I John 5:16* yes... those Christians who are in the Bible... not the self-professed "christians" nowadays...
* who's keeping people away from the teachings of Jesus? if someone's deliberately and blatantly doing that, that person will not lose any because that person is not saved in the first place...
* real Christians in the Bible do not keep people away from Jesus' teachings, but preaching the word of Jesus... 😉
You seem to cast away your fellow Christians without a care. The truth is some Christians do great evil and no matter how much you rationalize; they are still Christian. Think about some of the Christians on this forum, who call people names and tell people to go away and stop posting. Do you think Jesus would approve? If you belittle someone and send them away, you keep them from god.
You should think about it.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You seem to cast away your fellow Christians without a care. The truth is some Christians do great evil and no matter how much you rationalize; they are still Christian. Think about some of the Christians on this forum, who call people names and tell people to go away and stop posting. Do you think Jesus would approve? If you belittle someone and send them away, you keep them from god.You should think about it.
* i'm not casting away nor rationalizing anyone... it's the truth in the Bible, there are many false gods, false prophets, false ministers, false christians... my point is simple - true Christians are categorized in the Bible, if they don't fit there, they really are not Christians as they claim they were...
"If any man's will is to do his will, he shall know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.
He who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but he who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood."
John 7:17-18
* Jesus says, the teaching should be according to the Bible, not according to their own interpretation...
"Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples,
And you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32
* true Christians continue in Jesus' words... it's not like, having baptized and you are already saved, nope... 😉
Originally posted by Fatima
if Jesus was god , why he didnt punished people whos hurts him in his life? 😉
Because Jesus Christ is Love. Fatima, did you know Jesus forgave those who mocked Him, ridiculed Him, and gambled for His robe, while He was on the cross dying for the sins of the whole world? Jesus Christ is God, not Allah.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Because Jesus Christ is Love. Fatima, did you know Jesus forgave those who mocked Him, ridiculed Him, and gambled for His robe, while He was on the cross dying for the sins of the whole world? Jesus Christ is God, not Allah.
then why god creat the hell ,if he going to forgive people whos didnt belive in him . 😕
i dont see adiffernt between god , allah .