Jesus Christ

Originally posted by Fatima
then why god creat the hell ,if he going to forgive people whos didnt belive in him . 😕

i dont see adiffernt between god , allah .

God created Hell for the devil. Let me say that again (because folks ignore this important truth), God created Hell for the devil and his angels.

God's forgiveness for sins is only available to a person in this life. Once a person dies (without first asking for Jesus Christ to forgive them of their personal sins) it is too late.

Allah is not God. For instance, Fatima Allah states in no uncertain terms that he does not have a son. But the God of the Bible says that Jesus is His beloved Son. Is Allah confused? No Allah is not confused. Allah is correct, he does not have a son. Now why would Allah do that? Allah denies having a son because Allah and the God of the Bible are not one and the same. Allah and YHWH (the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) are not the same deity. The God of the Bible is the true God and His Son's Name is Jesus Christ. Do you understand now why I said that Allah is not God?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God created Hell for the devil. Let me say that again (because folks ignore this important truth), God created Hell for the devil and his angels.

God's forgiveness for sins is only available to a person in this life. Once a person dies (without first asking for Jesus Christ to forgive them of sins) it is too late.

Allah is not God. For instance, Fatima Allah states in no uncertain terms that he does not have a son. But the God of the Bible says that Jesus is His beloved Son.

IN English Documentry voiceover mode: Ah, now here we see something becoming more natural in this part of the world. It is JIA extolling the virtue of his God. It is the only kind of question he will answer - see how he uses it as a chance to say how good God is while knocking another religions deity.

This becomes more relevant when compared to the questions I myself asked him in other threads which he refused to answer.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
IN English Documentry voiceover mode: Ah, now here we see something becoming more natural in this part of the world. It is JIA extolling the virtue of his God. It is the only kind of question he will answer - see how he uses it as a chance to say how good God is while knocking another religions deity.

This becomes more relevant when compared to the questions I myself asked him in other threads which he refused to answer.

Friend, how how I knocked someone else's religion's deity? Support what you have just said based on this quote of mine.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Friend, how how I knocked someone else's religion's deity? Support what you have just said based on this quote of mine.

IN English Documentary voice-over mode: The question is asked, and Imperial_Samura does not shy away from the questions of others.

Allah is not God.

Yes, here were see someone not knocking the deity of another religion. JIA is treating him with respect.

For instance, Fatima Allah states in no uncertain terms that he does not have a son. But the God of the Bible says that Jesus is His beloved Son.

Here JIA claims the claim of another religion is proved false because of a claim in the holy text of his religion. It seems remarkable that such certainty could be brought to bear based upon the evidence presented. For you see - to Muslims Allah is just as much the one true God as God is to the Christians. Does JIA truly have the authority to tell this to a person of another faith?

Freedom says he does, but it must be remembered this is his view, and it has the same amount of validity and evidence behind it as a Muslim does when trying to convert a Christian. The Koran says Allah has no son. This is how we know the Christian God is not the real God.

Is Allah confused? No Allah is not confused. Allah is correct, he does not have a son. Now why would Allah do that? Allah denies having a son because Allah and the God of the Bible are not one and the same. Allah and YHWH (the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) are not the same deity. The God of the Bible is the true God and His Son's Name is Jesus Christ. Do you understand now why I said that Allah is not God?

And here is the crux - we see why JIA says Allah is not the Christian God. Allah is the Muslim God, and is just as justified and likely. When one is relying on the claims of holy texts alone to justify there stance there is room for debate.

Thus the question an answer allowed JIA to say why his God is the real God and all other Gods are not. How this is not knocking these Gods is unknown to me, since it seems clear that it is an attempt to strip the divinity of Allah by measuring him by Christian standards.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
IN English Documentary voice-over mode: The question is asked, and Imperial_Samura does not shy away from the questions of others.

Yes, here were see someone not knocking the deity of another religion. JIA is treating him with respect.

Here JIA claims the claim of another religion is proved false because of a claim in the holy text of his religion. It seems remarkable that such certainty could be brought to bear based upon the evidence presented. For you see - to Muslims Allah is just as much the one true God as God is to the Christians. Does JIA truly have the authority to tell this to a person of another faith?

Freedom says he does, but it must be remembered this is his view, and it has the same amount of validity and evidence behind it as a Muslim does when trying to convert a Christian. The Koran says Allah has no son. This is how we know the Christian God is not the real God.

And here is the crux - we see why JIA says Allah is not the Christian God. Allah is the Muslim God, and is just as justified and likely. When one is relying on the claims of holy texts alone to justify there stance there is room for debate.

Thus the question an answer allowed JIA to say why his God is the real God and all other Gods are not. How this is not knocking these Gods is unknown to me, since it seems clear that it is an attempt to strip the divinity of Allah by measuring him by Christian standards.

You failed to follow directions crony, here is what I said,

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Friend, how have I knocked someone else's religion's deity? Support what you have just said based on this quote of mine.

The key phrase chum is, based on this quote. This is the quote I wanted you to support your accusation with because this is all I had written to Fatima at the time that you alleged that I was knocking someone else's religon's deity:

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God created Hell for the devil. Let me say that again (because folks ignore this important truth), God created Hell for the devil and his angels.

God's forgiveness for sins is only available to a person in this life. Once a person dies (without first asking for Jesus Christ to forgive them of their personal sins) it is too late.

Allah is not God. For instance, Fatima Allah states in no uncertain terms that he does not have a son.

This was all I said at the time that you responded to my post accusing me of knocking someone else's deity. As you can see, I did nothing of the sort.

Allah is not God. For instance, Fatima Allah states in no uncertain terms that he does not have a son. But the God of the Bible says that Jesus is His beloved Son

And so we get to the part about definition.

It is not knocking someone else's deity to tell them "He isn't God, my holy text says God had a son, your holy text says he didn't. So clearly Allah isn't God!"

Basically that is it, isn't it? You are telling someone their God is invalid because your holy text says so. Explain how that is not knocking there God.

I mean you are denying them their divinity based upon the Holy Text you believe in - correct? You are giving more value to your holy text as opposed to their one - correct? You are doing this despite the fact your holy text does not actually have a great deal more supporting it then their one does - correct?

So basically I can say the same thing with your short quote or the longer edited one.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
...Yes, here were see someone not knocking the deity of another religion. JIA is treating him with respect....

What if someone were to call you a homosexual (this is just an illustration please do not take offense to this) and I came to your defense and said,

"Samura is not a homosexual,"

then I proceeded to explain why I believe that you are not a homosexual. Suppose, I first start with the testimony of your family and relatives then I conclude with your own words, stating that you are straight. Tell me, how am I not showing you respect in this for instance? I am quoting your own words and then corroborating them with what your family says about you. But the key thing that I want you to focus on is that I am using your own words to validate what I am saying. How is this an attack? I used Allah's own words pal.

Well I'm not in fact a homosexual, so you would be stating fact, as opposed to the squabbles of one believer with another over whose God is the most real.

Fact - Allah claims he is God and he has no son. He is the Islamic God.

Fact - God claimed he is God and he has a son - He is the Christian God.

The two have a common background and links, but belong to different faiths. Unless you have valid proof as to why your claim he isn't God is right then he has equal standing with the Christian God, since the Muslims can't prove he isn't God either.

And you don't give recongition to those people who say your God doesn't exist, and I don't see how you are justified in thinking you have some evidence their God doesn't exist.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Well I'm not in fact a homosexual, so you would be stating fact, as opposed to the squabbles of one believer with another over whose God is the most real.

Fact - Allah claims he is God and he has no son. He is the Islamic God.

Fact - God claimed he is God and he has a son - He is the Christian God.

The two have a common background and links, but belong to different faiths. Unless you have valid proof as to why your claim he isn't God is right then he has equal standing with the Christian God, since the Muslims can't prove he isn't God either.

And you don't give recongition to those people who say your God doesn't exist, and I don't see how you are justified in thinking you have some evidence their God doesn't exist.

Allah is the mood god, he has an idol that represents him (this is documented, historical fact). But the God of the Bible does not nor has He ever had any kind of idol associated with Him nor in connection with Him whatsoever (this too is documented, historical fact). All the other gods of the earth have had some type of idol (i.e. literal, physical statues or other manufactured works of their likeness and image that has been carved, fashioned, formed, or created to stand for them). But the God of the Bible has never had an idol to represent Him. Well, why not you ask. The answer is simple: God is not an idol and He has never been (Allah or those who represent him can never say that). This is but one difference.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus Christ is God, not Allah.

Oh and Jesus Christ is NOT GOD YOU ****ING RETARD. JESUS IS A MAN. Infact, JESUS CHRIST isn't even his real name -- believe it or not. The fact that Jesus as shown NO signs that he is any more of anything than L. Ron Hubbard proves you wrong. Jesus is a prophet, in fact, the things he said are pretty much what a whole lot of other people were saying aswell. Making him less of a prophet.

edit: I apoligise for the bashing in this post, but when someone says something like that, you got to just draw the line. And JIA hasn't replied to anything I've said, so I don't think he'll know I've said it, and sinse he has no friends, no one else will be offended, but if it needs to be edited, then I'm sorry, and I won't do it again.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Allah is the mood god, he has an idol that represents him (this is documented, historical fact). But the God of the Bible does not nor has He ever had any kind of idol associated with Him nor in connection with Him whatsoever (this too is documented, historical fact). All the other gods of the earth have had some type of idol (i.e. literal, physical statues or other manufactured works of their likeness and image that has been carved, fashioned, formed, or created to stand for them). But the God of the Bible has never had an idol to represent Him. Well, why not you ask. The answer is simple: God is not an idol and He has never been (Allah or those who represent him can never say that). This is but one difference.

And what would Allah his idol be then? What represents Allah? Seeing as Muslims aren't allowed to draw Allah or make statues of him just like Christians aren't allowed to do that for god I would really like to know.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Allah is the mood god, he has an idol that represents him (this is documented, historical fact). But the God of the Bible does not nor has He ever had any kind of idol associated with Him nor in connection with Him whatsoever (this too is documented, historical fact). All the other gods of the earth have had some type of idol (i.e. literal, physical statues or other manufactured works of their likeness and image that has been carved, fashioned, formed, or created to stand for them). But the God of the Bible has never had an idol to represent Him. Well, why not you ask. The answer is simple: God is not an idol and He has never been (Allah or those who represent him can never say that). This is but one difference.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Allah is the mood god, he has an idol that represents him (this is documented, historical fact). But the God of the Bible does not nor has He ever had any kind of idol associated with Him nor in connection with Him whatsoever (this too is documented, historical fact). All the other gods of the earth have had some type of idol (i.e. literal, physical statues or other manufactured works of their likeness and image that has been carved, fashioned, formed, or created to stand for them). But the God of the Bible has never had an idol to represent Him. Well, why not you ask. The answer is simple: God is not an idol and He has never been (Allah or those who represent him can never say that). This is but one difference.

i think the christianity was the first religion that represnted the jesus by idols ..

why dont the christianity also picture the god (jesus father ), ?

Allah is not idol (mood god) ,how come if allah forbid the idolatry . 😕

"mood god"? I thought he was the "moon god". JIA, explain.

Originally posted by Fatima
i think the christianity was the first religion that represnted the jesus by idols ..

why dont the christianity also picture the god (jesus father ), ?

Allah is not idol (mood god) ,how come if allah forbid the idolatry . 😕

Exodus 20:1-6
1 And God [the LORD God Almighty] spoke all these words, saying :
2 “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image [i.e. and idol]—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

No that is not correct Fatima. There are many cultures that have worshiped idols since the beginning of time. But those idols are the work of men's hands.

The Scripture that I just provided for you in this post prohibits the people of God from making an idol of God the Father or any other god for that matter and worshipping it. That is why there is no picture of God the Father`

Am I invisible? 😕

We're all invisible.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Allah is the mood god, he has an idol that represents him (this is documented, historical fact). But the God of the Bible does not nor has He ever had any kind of idol associated with Him nor in connection with Him whatsoever (this too is documented, historical fact). All the other gods of the earth have had some type of idol (i.e. literal, physical statues or other manufactured works of their likeness and image that has been carved, fashioned, formed, or created to stand for them). But the God of the Bible has never had an idol to represent Him. Well, why not you ask. The answer is simple: God is not an idol and He has never been (Allah or those who represent him can never say that). This is but one difference.

May I invite you to the thread regarding Allah and the claims made about him by Morey? Perhaps you would like to begin there and see whether you can continue to make the same claims.

No that is not correct Fatima. There are many cultures that have worshiped idols since the beginning of time. But those idols are the work of men's hands.

The Scripture that I just provided for you in this post prohibits the people of God from making an idol of God the Father or any other god for that matter and worshipping it. That is why there is no picture of God the Father`

I am sorry but that view is one that was held prevalent by Christians centuries ago and has been shown to have been based upon ignorance and unjust Eurocentric categorisation.

It was leveled at Egyptians, at Greeks and all the rest - and it wasn't the case. Ancient societies didn't always worship idols - the idols were merely conduits between the mortal world and the cosmic one. They knew that the hunk of carved stone ahead before them wasn't the god itself, though it could be seen as an earthly manifestation of it, an image that the divine spirit might come down and inhabit it (the way a person lives in a house) and so on.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Well I'm not in fact a homosexual, so you would be stating fact, as opposed to the squabbles of one believer with another over whose God is the most real.

Fact - Allah claims he is God and he has no son. He is the Islamic God.

Fact - God claimed he is God and he has a son - He is the Christian God.

The two have a common background and links, but belong to different faiths. Unless you have valid proof as to why your claim he isn't God is right then he has equal standing with the Christian God, since the Muslims can't prove he isn't God either.

And you don't give recongition to those people who say your God doesn't exist, and I don't see how you are justified in thinking you have some evidence their God doesn't exist.

* there is no point of discussion here because there is a big difference in the basis of faith... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* there is no point of discussion here because there is a big difference in the basis of faith... 😉

As long as it is realised there is no justification to the claim the basis of Islamic faith is a moon-God.