Jesus Christ

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
A [b]mistranslation you say ?

😆

How do you know what's mistranslation and what's not ? Are you just saying that to suit your own beliefs ?

You obviously do NOT follow the Bible literally, so therefore your intepretations of HELL are also non-biblical. Thanks for clarifying 👆

You make me smile 🙂 [/B]

Yeah, he is saying what is suiting his own beliefs. Why shouldn't he?

Or is it that you naturally, when it comes to bashing Christianity, assume the literal position of the Bible, then counter argue that.
Or is it that your interpretation of Bible is the one which everyone should be aware of?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Yeah, he is saying what is suiting his own beliefs. Why shouldn't he?

HE IS stating his own beleifs, but I am trying to get him to ADMIT that they are HIS beleifs, and not the "literal" or "correct" interpretations from the Bible.

HE is claiming that his beleifs are entirely consistant with the Bible, metaphorically AND literally...

Such is NOT thecase....

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Or is it that you naturally, when it comes to bashing Christianity, assume the literal position of the Bible, then counter argue that.

When i BASH the BIBLE, I bash its TEXT. I bash what IT CLEARLY SAYS...I care LESS for someone's interpretation of it.

When I BASH Christianity I bash the hypocrisy, cruelty, violence, and bigotry that it has caused. I do NOT bash what little Good that Christianity HAS promoted.....

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Or is it that your interpretation of Bible is the one which everyone should be aware of?

I have no personal intepretation of the Bible....when I bash the Bible, I bash what IT SAYS...not what I want it to say, or what I think it says.

If one is IGNORING the literal terms that the Bible has, that does not mean they aren't Christian. But it DOES mean that they are forming thier OWN FAITH that is not entirely based on the Bible, and that is NOT 100% loyal to the Bible's rhetoric.

And ONE more thing LIL B....I find it HIGHLY hypocritical, that you are arguing against my point that he is not using the Bible's literal text for his Faith, while trying to claim that his Faith is entirely based on the Bible....

WHEN you earlier claimed in another post, not too long ago, that a TRUE MUSLIM is one that follows the Quran to the T.....And that the Quran is an entirely violent reference, how Islam is an entirely violent religion....bash Islam like crazy, but then I critisize Christianity and suddently I'm closed minded or hypocritical ?

Nice Job 👇

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
But is a man his wife ? Is a woman her husband ?

Which do you worship ?

* i have answered your question since thread page #153, my friend... i never said that Jesus is the Father... i never said that Jesus is God... i said -> Jesus is a God...

* which of Them do i worship? both... because They are both Gods... the Father is God and Jesus is a God... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* i have answered your question since thread page #153, my friend... i never said that Jesus is the Father... i never said that Jesus is God... i said -> Jesus is a God...

* which of Them do i worship? both... because They are both Gods... the Father is God and Jesus is a God... 😉

So you worship two people ?

First Commandment

I am the Lord your God. You shall have NO OTHER Gods besides me.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So you worship two people ?

[b]First Commandment

I am the Lord your God. You shall have NO OTHER Gods besides me. [/B]

* what kind of "other gods"?

"You shall have no other gods before me.
You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
You shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,
But showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments."
Exodus 20:3-6

* plus, are the Ten Commandments universal?

"Remember the law of my servant Moses, the statutes and ordinances that I commanded him at Horeb for all Israel."
Malachi 4:4

* for all Israel & Israelites... not Christians...

* and... not two people... but two Gods who are one... 😉

I applaud Jackie for having one thread in which the title is spelled correctly and without any grammatical error (save for the sentence fragment, though that is forgivable).

Originally posted by FeceMan
I applaud Jackie for having one thread in which the title is spelled correctly and without any grammatical error (save for the sentence fragment, though that is forgivable).

Originally posted by lord xyz
She forgot the elipse.

I wesh popl wuld nut pot 2 muck weit en spillng and gramor. 😂

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Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
However, at this point I'm just guessing, much like yourself - and limiting God to my own understanding, which unfortunately like most who reside on this earth, has been extremely warped due to the now inherent sinful nature of the flesh. That being said - I'd take a gander at saying, that neither of us has(or will have) a solid understanding of it.

* i'm not guessing, my friend... what i say is according to the Bible...

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
As stated above - *humility* seems to be a main lesson one should learn from this willful submission, as well the message of God's love - particularly his selflessly giving up his *authourity* for the purpose of saving mankind. You are grossly misinterpreting the scriptures - when you suggest that Christ is not equal to the father, and in essence disregarding(most likely purposely so) his obvious authourity, as well as diminishing his divinity.

* equal in what?

"Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
But emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross."
Philippians 2:5-8

* Christ emptied, humbled Himself and took the form of a servant... the equality of the Father and Christ is that They are both Gods...

* in authority and greatness...

"You heard me say to you, I go away, and I will come to you. If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I."
John 14:28

* Christ admitted that the Father is greater than Him...

"Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him."
John 13:16

"But when the Counselor comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness to me;"
John 15:26

* Christ has the power to send the Holy Spirit... Christ is greater than the Holy Spirit... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* i'm not guessing, my friend... what i say is according to the Bible...

* equal in what?

"Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
But emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross."
Philippians 2:5-8

* Christ emptied, humbled Himself and took the form of a servant... the equality of the Father and Christ is that They are both Gods...

* in authority and greatness...

"You heard me say to you, I go away, and I will come to you. If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I."
John 14:28

* Christ admitted that the Father is greater than Him...

"Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him."
John 13:16

"But when the Counselor comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness to me;"
John 15:26

* Christ has the power to send the Holy Spirit... Christ is greater than the Holy Spirit... 😉

Umm..most of your response was just regurgitated from my prior post. Rather than confuse ourselves(which is most likely your intention) with endless recitations and representations of scripture - let me once again
restate one of the main points being expressed, which is - neither of us truly understands the will of God.

Again - your statement of Christ and the Father both being Gods, is an extremely unbiblical one. Nowhere in the bible does it refer to Christ or the Father as being *Gods* - this opinion is solely based on your own willful obfuscation of the scriptures(obfuscation on a technical level - if I might add).

It's silly for us to even continue arguing this point - seeing as how neither of us can completely understand the will of God. He(God) could represent himself 3 different ways - or he could represent himself in 30 -and still be correct in calling himself *one* God.

*Humility* could be the major reason behind the Trinity(which one could make a strong argument for - based on the quoted scriptures within my prior post) - or it could just be that God is playing a joke on his creations. I can imagine a scenario where God thinks to himself -- "What's the best way to confuse all of these silly and prideful creations of mine - particularly those who willfully try to misinterpret my word? Oh I know!! Let me represent myself 3 different ways and then see how many stupid and prideful reasons they can come up with to explain how 1 + 1 + 1 = 1..He..He..He." Although let's be real - we definitely know the latter assumption isn't the case - seeing as how unlike others..the *nature* of God - isn't one of confusion..😉

Anyway - regardless of his(God's) reasoning behind the Trinity, remember *my friend* -- that his(God's) ways are not our ways - and his thoughts are not our thoughts. We can't discern anything about him, other than what he has allowed us to discern. Thus far the most important revelation that he's given to all of his children(about himself) -- is that he is truly *loving*(with his sacrifice on the cross - as well as many other gifts) - so that's the only aspect of God one truly needs to understand, meditate on, and strive to be themself.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Umm..most of your response was just regurgitated from my prior post. Rather than confuse ourselves(which is most likely your intention) with endless recitations and representations of scripture - let me once again
restate one of the main points being expressed, which is - neither of us truly understands the will of God.

* maybe you don't understand the will of God, but i do... i'm not trying to confuse anyone, i'm just reading the Bible...

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Again - your statement of Christ and the Father both being Gods, is an extremely unbiblical one. Nowhere in the bible does it refer to Christ or the Father as being *Gods* - this opinion is solely based on your own willful obfuscation of the scriptures(obfuscation on a technical level - if I might add).

* it does not refer, but that's what it blatantly implies...

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God;"
John 1:1-2

* the Word (who is Christ) was with God (the Father)... and the Word (who is Christ) was God... there are two Gods, whether you like it or not...

"I and the Father are one."
John 10:30

* and the two Gods (the Father and Christ) are one...

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
It's silly for us to even continue arguing this point - seeing as how neither of us can completely understand the will of God. He(God) could represent himself 3 different ways - or he could represent himself in 30 -and still be correct in calling himself *one* God.

* there is the difference between God and Godhead...

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
*Humility* could be the major reason behind the Trinity(which one could make a strong argument for - based on the quoted scriptures within my prior post) - or it could just be that God is playing a joke on his creations. I can imagine a scenario where God thinks to himself -- "What's the best way to confuse all of these silly and prideful creations of mine - particularly those who willfully try to misinterpret my word? Oh I know!! Let me represent myself 3 different ways and then see how many stupid and prideful reasons they can come up with to explain how 1 + 1 + 1 = 1..He..He..He." Although let's be real - we definitely know the latter assumption isn't the case - seeing as how unlike others..the *nature* of God - isn't one of confusion..😉

"Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap."
Galatians 6:7

"Let no one say when he is tempted, I am tempted by God; for God cannot be tempted with evil and he himself tempts no one;"
James 1:13

"For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints,"
I Corinthians 14:33

* maybe you really don't know God... God is not mocked and does not mock anyone, God cannot be tempted and tempts no one, God is not of confusion but of peace...

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Anyway - regardless of his(God's) reasoning behind the Trinity, remember *my friend* -- that his(God's) ways are not our ways - and his thoughts are not our thoughts. We can't discern anything about him, other than what he has allowed us to discern. Thus far the most important revelation that he's given to all of his children(about himself) -- is that he is truly *loving*(with his sacrifice on the cross - as well as many other gifts) - so that's the only aspect of God one truly needs to understand, meditate on, and strive to be themself.

* there is no Trinity, the mere concept of Trinity is unbiblical... but there is a Godhead which consists of the Father, Christ and the Holy Spirit, and are not equal with each other...

"This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
Who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."
I Timothy 2:3-4

* God desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* maybe you don't understand the will of God, but i do... i'm not trying to confuse anyone, i'm just reading the Bible...

* it does not refer, but that's what it blatantly implies...

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God;"
John 1:1-2

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:14

John 1:1 says "the Word was God".

So with a substitute...
"And God was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:14

Jesus was God in a lesser form, having emptied himself. They are one and the same in the different forms.

Originally posted by Nellinator
But right after this it says:

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:14

John 1:1 says "the Word was God".

So with a substitute...
"And God was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:14

Jesus was God in a lesser form, having emptied himself. They are one and the same in the different forms.

* yes, They are one... but the fact that you also used the pronoun "They", only means They are not one entity... They are two, but united as one...

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
I Timothy 3:16

* Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh...

"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."
James 1:17

"Before the mountains were brought forth, and thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from eternity to eternity thou art God."
Psalms 90:2

* whilst the Father cannot change and is God from eternity to eternity... 😉

Do you see what I'm saying though. Jesus is not a god in himself. There is one God and Jesus is the manifestation of God in flesh. There is not two gods, just one, with three manifestations.

Originally posted by peejayd
* maybe you don't understand the will of God, but i do... i'm not trying to confuse anyone, i'm just reading the Bible...

No one truly knows the *will* of God. This post alone demonstrates the err in your position. No man of this earth, no angel above, or no demon below will ever have a complete grasp on everything that makes up God - nor everything that he does under the sun(within this rebellious age).

However, God does give each one of us(his children) various levels of understanding - regarding his will. This practical understanding, or *common sense* - is usually demonstrated and practiced more often - by those who truly love him.

Despite our various level(s) of intellect and understanding(that God has given to us) - we should faithfully take what God says about himself at face value, and do our best to fulfill whatever it is he has purposed us for(which is not hard - if one truly understands that his purpose is a loving one).

At face value - God has manifested himself in three different ways to his children(The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) - while at the same time revealing, that he is still only *one* God. True followers of Christ - who have faith in his word - will accept this as truth(all of it), and will not purposefully attempt to misinterpret it - or rationalize God down to their own level of understanding. This discussion is becoming a circular one, and it is fairly apparent that at this point - you wish to discuss this subject mockingly, rather than rationally - so I do not wish to engage you in it any further. Good day to you. God bless.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
No one truly knows the *will* of God. ...

Including the bible.

😂 I love these little posts. Throw in the bait and sit back to see who bites.

Originally posted by Nellinator
😂 I love these little posts. Throw in the bait and sit back to see who bites.

No, not this time. I simple don't have a lot of time right now. 😎

That's disappointing.