Jesus Christ

*["OH god..."]

***I have a serious question for you...and I would appreciate your answer. Please tell me, Fini...what is the name of your "god"? How did you learn about him?...what has he done for you that he deserves to be called "god" by you?...is he the Muslim "god"?...is he the Hindu "god"?...what "god" is it that you worship?...is he the "god" of this world that you and the others of your persuasion adore and give your allegiance to?

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*["...Jesus the Saviour bless these people with the sence to understand the world and to accept others..."]

***The world is an EVIL place and the VAST MAJORITY of the people that live in it are are LOST SINNERS and in NEED of SALVATION that ONLY Jesus Christ can give. God, the Father, sent His only begotten Son into the world that the world through Him [Jesus] might be SAVED [John 3:17]. He [Jesus] was IN the world...and the world was MADE by Him [John 1:3]...and the WORLD knew Him NOT [John 1:10]. In fact, He came unto His own people...and His OWN PEOPLE knew Him NOT [i.e., they REJECTED Him...John 1:11]. BUT...as many as RECEIVED Him [i.e., received Him by FAITH and REPENTED of their SINS]---to THEM gave He POWER to become the SONS [and DAUGHTERS] of God...even to them that BELIEVE on His NAME [John 1:12]. These people WHO became the Sons/Daughters of God were NOT born of NATURAL GENERATION...nor of the WILL of the FLESH...nor of the WILL of MAN...but of the Spirit of God alone [John 1:13].

The world [i.e., FALLEN Mankind] CANNOT and WILL NOT love the Christian...nor the Saviour that WE represent...and are at ENMITY against US. This is what the Lord Jesus tells us in His Word: "If the world HATES you, know that it HATED ME before it HATED YOU. If you belonged to the world, the world would LOVE you as its OWN. But because you are NOT of this world [i.e., no longer ONE with it], but I have chosen [selected] you out of the world, the world HATES [detests] YOU. Remember that I told you, a servant is NOT GREATER than his MASTER. If they persecuted Me...they WILL also persecute YOU; if they kept My word and obeyed My teachings, they will also keep and obey yours. But they will do all this to you because of MY name and MY account, for they do NOT know or understand the One who sent ME. If I had NOT come and spoken to them, they would NOT be guilty of SIN; but NOW they have NO EXCUSE for their SIN" [John 15:18-22].

The Lord Jesus came to take us [Christians] OUT of this corrupt world...hear Him: "I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest Me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them Me, and they have kept they word...I pray for them: I PRAY NOT FOR THE WORLD, but FOR THEM which thou hast given ME; for THEY ARE THINE. And all mine are thine, and thine ARE MINE; and I am glorified in them" [John 17:6,9,10].

Marchello

Originally posted by Gregory
Spending time with your family and friends is so much more important then remembering some dude's birthday 2000 years ago, you ought to be ashamed to have mentioned them in the same paragraph.

* and that "dude's" birthday is NOT REALLY that "dude's" birthday... no one knows the exact day/date of that "dude's" birthday... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* and that "dude's" birthday is NOT REALLY that "dude's" birthday... no one knows the exact day/date of that "dude's" birthday... 😉

well yeah but name one christmas tradition that has anything to do w/ "that dude" (except church)

Originally posted by Gregory
I hope you die in a fire.

Horray for the Sun god for he is the fun god, RA RA RA!

Sorry couldn't resist......

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well that was a little uncalled for. If someone wants to believe and celebrate in a certain way then let it be. If I want to celebrate all the pagan days I will only because I like to celebrate them.

Horray for the Sun god for he is the fun god, RA RA RA!

Sorry couldn't resist......

Attempt to in the future.

Pagan doesn't even begin to describe a religion that has the history and understanding behind a belief like the one that was held by the ancient Egyptians for their sun god. Whileit might be just as dismissable, one must consider it's history.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

HULKSTER04, this is a very good, well-thought out, well-written post. I especially like the matchstick illustration because it excellently describes the oneness (in nature) yet triune (in manifestation) truth about God. For, God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit: this is Who God is. Also you are correct in betting that God is something like a fire. Actually the Bible states that God is a consuming fire (Hebrews 12:29 read also Ezekiel 1:27).

Thanks!lol
I just made some theories on this while i was reading some wonderful metaphysics materials. It is sad that most of the authors of those books do not accept the possibility of a Supreme being such as God, I too am a follwer of Christ just as you are JIA and it's nice to meet brothers in the faith here like you and Marchello.

BTW here's another concept of the triune God: Originally before there was anything created by God, the very first beginning was not in Genesis 1. There was only eternity and the Living conciousness who is God and if what the bible states about Christ is true then Jesus was born of God or preceeded with the same essence that which is of the Father. I believe that in the very first beginning long before any of the angels were created and before the universe was made only the Father existed and then later on begotten the Son and the Holy Spirit is the binding seal of them both. 2 Corinthians 5:21 says that Jesus is the visible EXPRESSION of the
invisible God and since God is spirit he cannot be thought of being born by biological means hence John 1 states that in the beginning was the word,and the word was with God,and the word was God. Webster's dictionary describes the term [word] as the EXPRESSION of one's thought which is mediumed by the tongue, mouth, and vocal chords to form words, phrases, and sentences.

Originally posted by Capt. Fantastic

Attempt to in the future. Pagan doesn't even begin to describe a religion that has the history and understanding behind a belief like the one that was held by the ancient Egyptians for their sun god. Whileit might be just as dismissable, one must consider it's history.

Many astronomers/astrologers/scholars believe that december 25 is not exactly the date that Jesus was born. When i learned about the solstice seasons and the how the month of december is linked to it's pagan roots I am convinced that what these scholars think now are worth our attention.
The solstice occurs 2x a year and this marks the longest day of the whole year, december 25 makes the longest day of the year and another day in april or june has similar length of hours in a day, they are known as the summer and winter solstice. This is because of the tilting of the earth(27.3 degrees) that precisely marks these seasons.
Why is it pagan? Because the Egyptian religion is based on the zodiac symbols of the heavenly bodies thus the sun worship.
Scholars now believe that the date and time of Jesus' birth was closer to march 12, 4 or 5 A.D. we joyously celebrate december 25th as the day of our Lord, but little do we know how much paganism was incorporated to our belief system, I think Solomon was right " knowledge is better than zeal".
I hope this serves as an eye openner.
Merry Christmas in March!lol

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
well yeah but name one christmas tradition that has anything to do w/ "that dude" (except church)

* that's the big misinterpretation... the REAL Christmas is not the day/date... from the word, itself - Christmas came from Passover, Paskua in Spanish (sort of), Pax in Roman which means PEACE...

"But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near in the blood of Christ.
For he is our peace, who has made us both one, and has broken down the dividing wall of hostility,"
Ephesians 2:13-14

* peace should not be 1 day out of 365 a year... peace should be each and every day we live... 😉

*["I hope you die in a fire..."]

***Tis more likely that it will be you who will die in the fire...of Hell. And don't gloat that all of your "friends" will be there [which is true]...because in Hell you will have NO FRIENDS...only PAIN...for ETERNITY.

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*["...I've been listening to people like you ***** and moan every single Christmas since I was old enough to understand their words, and I've had about as much of it as I can stand."]

***You've listened and rejected the message...so now you are without excuse...and WILL pay the consequences for your SINS by your rejection..."For the WAGES of SIN is DEATH..." [Romans 6:23]. Too, you did not understand the message because it is written: "But if our gospel be HID, it is HID to them that are LOST. In whom the god of this world hath BLINDED the minds of them which BELIEVE NOT, lest the LIGHT of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them" [2 Corinthians 4:3-4].

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*["Spending time with your family and friends is so much more important then remembering some dude's birthday 2000 years ago, you ought to be ashamed to have mentioned them in the same paragraph."]

***That "dude" that you revile and distain is the CREATOR of Heaven and Earth. Your family and "friends" are just pieces of protoplasm which will perish in time [and you with them]...but Jesus Christ will REMAIN for He is the FIRST and the LAST...the BEGINNING and the ENDING. It is you...an insignificant little "pip-squeek" who should NOT be mentioned in the same paragraph with Him.

However, that being said...I AGREE with you...you SHOULD "eat, drink, and be merry" for this is your FINAL GO-AROUND...you will 'die the death" in Hell with ALL of your "friends" and family by your and their REJECTION of Jesus Christ the author of LIFE ETERNAL.

Marchello

Originally posted by HULKSTER04
Many astronomers/astrologers/scholars believe that december 25 is not exactly the date that Jesus was born. When i learned about the solstice seasons and the how the month of december is linked to it's pagan roots I am convinced that what these scholars think now are worth our attention.
The solstice occurs 2x a year and this marks the longest day of the whole year, december 25 makes the longest day of the year and another day in april or june has similar length of hours in a day, they are known as the summer and winter solstice. This is because of the tilting of the earth(27.3 degrees) that precisely marks these seasons.
Why is it pagan? Because the Egyptian religion is based on the zodiac symbols of the heavenly bodies thus the sun worship.
Scholars now believe that the date and time of Jesus' birth was closer to march 12, 4 or 5 A.D. we joyously celebrate december 25th as the day of our Lord, but little do we know how much paganism was incorporated to our belief system, I think Solomon was right " knowledge is better than zeal".
I hope this serves as an eye openner.
Merry Christmas in March!lol

Give me any holiday......WEEEEEE

Originally posted by Gregory
I hope you die in a fire. Not just you. Everybody who spends their time whining about the "true meaning of Christmas." But you'd make for a good start.

I'm not normally quite this aggressive. But frankly, I've been listening to people like you ***** and moan every single Christmas since I was old enough to understand their words, and I've had about as much of it as I can stand.

Spending time with your family and friends is so much more important then remembering some dude's birthday 2000 years ago, you ought to be ashamed to have mentioned them in the same paragraph.

Whoa. Chill dude.

Remember, that you're entitled to celebrate the holiday however you wish. I'm merely stating that it is how I think it should be celebrated.

Good Lord. 🙄

Originally posted by peejayd
* and that "dude's" birthday is NOT REALLY that "dude's" birthday... no one knows the exact day/date of that "dude's" birthday... 😉

Correct, but that shouldn't take away from the importance of that day's event. 😉

Originally posted by fini
OH god, Jesus the Saviour bless these people with the sence to understand the world and to accept others, not to condemn them because some book told them too.

Well said. 😉

Originally posted by debbiejo
If someone wants to believe and celebrate in a certain way then let it be.

Well said, Deb. See 3 above.

Originally posted by peejayd
Christmas came from Passover

I doubt that I go to Passover seiders every year its no where near christmas

Originally posted by peejayd

* peace should not be 1 day out of 365 a year... peace should be each and every day we live... 😉

I agree but my cynicism prevents me from even hoping for that possibility

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I agree but my cynicism prevents me from even hoping for that possibility

If you try, you can make a change...larger than and more profound that you could ever imagine. Your direct influence of those around you will spill onto others, and so on n' so on.

You don't need to be a world leader, priest, deacon, reverend, etc, etc...

Start by keeping it in the family. From there it will spread. 😉

*["I doubt that I go to Passover seiders every year its no where near christmas."]

***Correct. Christmas and Passover are NOT comparable...Christmas has to do with the BIRTH of Jesus Christ...Passover has to do with His DEATH...to wit: "Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our PASSOVER is SACRIFICED for US" [1 Corinthians 5:7].

Marchello

OH god now I KNOW you are going to hell

Passover celebrates the angle of death not killing the Jews in egypt. Despite your desire that he had done so.

Passover was to be combined into Easter...Easter was the fertility goddezzzzzzzz

But many Christian Churches, in the early days of Christianity, could not agree on the date of Easter. This was the primary disagreement between the Celtic (Culdee) Church and Rome for many years, with the Celtic Church keeping the holiday on the fourteenth day after the paschal moon (according to the rule of the Council of Arles in 314 CE, and in spite of St. Augustine and the "Synod of the Oak"😉 and the Roman observing it between the fifteenth and twenty-first. This was pretty much settled at the famous Council of Whitby in 664 CE, with Aldhelm, the Bishop of Sherborne, persuading the Celtic Christians in Cornwall to conform to the Roman usage in the early part of the eighth century CE.

Easter is apparently named after the pagan goddess Eostre (Latin: Oestre), an Anglo-Saxon maiden-goddess of fertility. Some might link her to Ishtar / Astarte, the Middle Eastern goddess, but such a link is only apparent. The identification of Ishtar with Astarte was instituted by Sargon the Great when he engaged in his wars of conquest, to make his goddess the goddess of the conquered areas.

Christmas on the other hand came from the Sun god. Sun of Righteousness ...Malachi

The OT was also based on the study of the stars.....

Jesus was killed during the week of Passover, so if we want to celebrate it at the correct time it is at Passover. However, dates are unimportant, the celebration of what happened (ie. the death and resurrection) is what is truly important.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
OH god now I KNOW you are going to hell

Passover celebrates the angle of death not killing the Jews in egypt. Despite your desire that he had done so.