Jesus Christ

Originally posted by Nellinator
That is a gray area. The internet is no place to know whether someone has a Christ filled life or not. Even if you feel that Marchello is not being very 'christian' over the internet, it is not necessarily indicitive of his real life. Tone and emphasis are hard to communicate over the internet at times and sometimes I think people take Marchello's posts as being in a tone that is not necessarily the case.

Originally posted by Marchello
***ALL who have NOT be "born again" by the Holy Spirit of God are NOT Christians [i.e., are Unbelievers]. The Scripture tells us this in [John 3:3]: "Jesus answered and said unto him, 'Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he CANNOT see the kingdom of God.'" "Born again" means to be born from above [as in John 3:31;19:11], though the word also means "again" [Galatians 4:9].

The "new birth" or REGENERATION [Titus 3:5] is the ACT of God which gives ETERNAL LIFE to the one who BELIEVES in Christ. As a result, he [the BELIEVER] becomes a MEMBER of God's FAMILY [1 Peter 1:23] with a NEW CAPACITY and DESIRE to PLEASE his heavenly Father [2 Corinthians 5:17].

When we are "born again" we are given a new QUALITY of LIFE...NOT an everlasting "this life." In John 3:16 begins another major theme of John...the DUAL one of REDEMPTION and JUDGMENT. The emphasis is on the fact that men judge themselves. The ACQUITTED are THOSE who have BELIEVED in Him [John 3:18]...the CONDEMNED are those who have REJECTED Him [John 3:18-20].

Marchello

Okay, my question is (and believe me, I follow what you're saying because I'm catholic), what about those who believe in God, but are not Christians? Don't you believe that Jesus died for those who do/did not believe in him also? It is evident that you know you and follow Scripture, but there are also stories/passages in the New Testament that say He came for non-believers also.

I like you Marchello. I think you're passionate and even quite intelligent. I'm not trying to corner you or anything Marchello, but I think that your zeal/zest for believing in Christ makes you too judgemental of others. This is exactly what you should not do. 😉 "Do not judge, lest you be judged". Heck, I'm no angel either; but it's just something that I'm picking up about you. 😎

Originally posted by Gregory
Uh huh. Have you ever wondered why neither Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, nor Paul thought Jesus' birthday was important enough to mention?

December 27. So, you know, if you were going to set yourself on fire as part of your New Year's celebration, you've plenty of time to prepare.

(Although when I talk about wanting people to be set on fire for their Christmas beliefs, it's always barely possible I'm not being entirely serious.)

Just remember that the most hurtful weapon one could possess is not their fists, not a gun, not a knife, etc, etc, but their mouth. Words attack the soul. You attacked me, when I was merely stating how I feel, and all I've done is "turn the cheek".

If you say so.

I say that if you think something a stranger on the internet says is more hurtful then fists, guns, and knives, you might have priority issues. But that's just me.

Your inexperience precedes you, oh young one.

starwars

What do you suppose gets someone to pick up a gun or a knife, or throw down their fists? Aside from the blood-thirsty serial killer, it's always words.

Look, I'm going to try to be nice, but try not to be such a shrieking, pathetic drama queen. That would be really cool.

"Rude people on the internet cost lives!"

(Well, maybe that wasn't exactly "nice," but considering that you were just whining about how mean people on the internet are worse then being shot or knifed, I think it was nicer then you really had any right to expect.)

Originally posted by Gregory
Look, I'm going to try to be nice........

Tis all I ask, bud. 😉

*["Okay, my question is (and believe me, I follow what you're saying because I'm catholic)..."]

***Bobby:

Being a Catholic has nothing to do with being a Christian. I am a Baptist but I am not a Christian because I am a Baptist...I am a Christian because Jesus Christ is my Saviour and Lord and I have accepted the COMPLETED work that He wrought for me at Calvary...ONCE and for ALL! My Saviour does NOT have to DIE AGAIN over and over again...He DIED ONCE...to wit: "By the which WILL we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can NEVER take away SINS: but THIS MAN, after He had offered ONE SACRIFICE for SINS forever, SAT DOWN on the RIGHT HAND of God; From henceforth expecting till His enemies be made His footstool" [Hebrews 10:10-14]. I am a Christian because I've ACCEPTED the GIFT of God which CANNOT be earned by my good works [Ephesians 2:8,9]...Jesus Christ is the GIFT of God.

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*["...what about those who believe in God, but are not Christians? Don't you believe that Jesus died for those who do/did not believe in him also?..."]

***There are many other religions who worship the God of heaven and only acknowledge the Lordship of the Father...and REJECT the Lordship of the Son. When I use the word "Lordship", I mean acknowledging His DEITY. The Person of the Godhead you have got to make your Lord and the God of your life IS Jesus Christ the Son of God. It is ONLY through Him that you will receive salvation [1 Timothy 2:5]. Making the Father your God will NOT gain you ETERNAL LIFE. Jews and Muslims have made the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ THEIR God...yet they DO NOT possess eternal life.

Why is this?...because the Apostle John tells us the following: "He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does NOT believe God has made Him a LIAR, because he has NOT believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. And this is the testimony: that God has given us ETERNAL LIFE, and THIS LIFE is IN HIS SON. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath NOT the Son of God hath NOT life" [1 John 5:10-12]...."And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and ETERNAL Life. Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen" [1 John 5:20-21].

Yes, Bobby...the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world...but VERY FEW of the world have acknowledged Him as Saviour or acknowledged His Lordship and thus WILL perish. The proof of my words are on this very board...very few believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as God and Saviour...and MANY ridicule Him...even so-called "c"hristians.

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*["It is evident that you know you and follow Scripture, but there are also stories/passages in the New Testament that say He came for non-believers also."]

***Yes, He came for EVERYONE and does not want any to perish...but those who will PERISH are those who REJECT Him because they believe NOT the testimony that the Father gave of His Son and make Him a LIAR.

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*["...I think that your zeal/zest for believing in Christ makes you too judgemental of others. This is exactly what you should not do😉 "Do not judge, lest you be judged". Heck, I'm no angel either; but it's just something that I'm picking up about you."]

***I appreciate your imput.

The apostle Paul [the greatest apostle of the New Testament] was the most zealous of the NT saints...and the most HATED by his adversaries NOT only for his ZEAL but because of his DOCTRINE as well. A zealous Christian is a NORMATIVE Christian...for His Faith will manifest itself in His actions and words. Too, the Christian's words and actions CANNOT and WILL NOT be received with FAVOR in this unbelieving world because we are Christ's and at ENMITY with the world. The world HATED Christ when He was in the world...and His own people plotted to kill Him because He said He was their long awaited Messiah and would bring in the kingdom and forgive their sins...a thing only God could do...and they, in collaboration with the Romans, CRUCIFIED Him. As for Paul...they DECAPITATED him for his testimony. BOTTOM-LINE: The world HATES True Christians...and they especially HATE the Christian's SAVIOUR and God.

Your comment "do not judge, lest ye be judged" [Matthew 7:1] does NOT mean that one is never, in any sense or to any extent, to judge another, for [Matthew 7:5] indicates that when one's own life is pure [i.e., non-hypocritical] he should "cast the mote out" of the brother's eye. It does mean, however, that a follower of Christ is not to be censorious. The disciples were expected to make moral distinctions and not allow those who reject the invitation of Christ to treat precious things as cheap.

Marchello

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Wow...deep. But, I think, though you and I believe in Christ, we shall have to agree to disagree on some things.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He capitalizes every other word to make it seem like he's yelling
He accuses people of not being real christians because they don't agree with the letter of his beliefs.

There's really only one way to take his writing.

Originally posted by Regret
Fruit is a thing that is percieved by those that partake, the source of a fruit does not impact how the partaker percieves the fruit. Intent means little in the partaking, if the fruit leaves an aversive taste one believes the fruit poor. Only good fruits are evidence of a persons position with Christ.

Originally posted by Nellinator
What is said on the internet is not your fruit. It may be a very small part of it, but your fruit is going to be in the impact you have on people's lives. If Marchello has not changed you in any way, then his fruit had no affect on you and was, therefore, not harmful. His fruit outside the internet could be completely different that what you perceive it to be so it is not right for us to judge him. What we can always encourage different behaviors as a correction rather than simply telling him his fruit is bad and that he can't be Christian because of it. The latter does not achieve anything and is counterproductive by simply encouraging dispute and argument over trivial things and taking our minds away from the message of Christ.

Originally posted by Marchello
*["Okay, my question is (and believe me, I follow what you're saying because I'm catholic)..."]

***Bobby:

Being a Catholic has nothing to do with being a Christian. I am a Baptist but I am not a Christian because I am a Baptist...I am a Christian because Jesus Christ is my Saviour and Lord and I have accepted the COMPLETED work that He wrought for me at Calvary...ONCE and for ALL! My Saviour does NOT have to DIE AGAIN over and over again...He DIED ONCE...to wit: "By the which WILL we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can NEVER take away SINS: but THIS MAN, after He had offered ONE SACRIFICE for SINS forever, SAT DOWN on the RIGHT HAND of God; From henceforth expecting till His enemies be made His footstool" [Hebrews 10:10-14]. I am a Christian because I've ACCEPTED the GIFT of God which CANNOT be earned by my good works [Ephesians 2:8,9]...Jesus Christ is the GIFT of God.

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*["...what about those who believe in God, but are not Christians? Don't you believe that Jesus died for those who do/did not believe in him also?..."]

***There are many other religions who worship the God of heaven and only acknowledge the Lordship of the Father...and REJECT the Lordship of the Son. When I use the word "Lordship", I mean acknowledging His DEITY. The Person of the Godhead you have got to make your Lord and the God of your life IS Jesus Christ the Son of God. It is ONLY through Him that you will receive salvation [1 Timothy 2:5]. Making the Father your God will NOT gain you ETERNAL LIFE. Jews and Muslims have made the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ THEIR God...yet they DO NOT possess eternal life.

Why is this?...because the Apostle John tells us the following: "He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does NOT believe God has made Him a LIAR, because he has NOT believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. And this is the testimony: that God has given us ETERNAL LIFE, and THIS LIFE is IN HIS SON. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath NOT the Son of God hath NOT life" [1 John 5:10-12]...."And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and ETERNAL Life. Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen" [1 John 5:20-21].

Yes, Bobby...the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world...but VERY FEW of the world have acknowledged Him as Saviour or acknowledged His Lordship and thus WILL perish. The proof of my words are on this very board...very few believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as God and Saviour...and MANY ridicule Him...even so-called "c"hristians.

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*["It is evident that you know you and follow Scripture, but there are also stories/passages in the New Testament that say He came for non-believers also."]

***Yes, He came for EVERYONE and does not want any to perish...but those who will PERISH are those who REJECT Him because they believe NOT the testimony that the Father gave of His Son and make Him a LIAR.

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*["...I think that your zeal/zest for believing in Christ makes you too judgemental of others. This is exactly what you should not do😉 "Do not judge, lest you be judged". Heck, I'm no angel either; but it's just something that I'm picking up about you."]

***I appreciate your imput.

The apostle Paul [the greatest apostle of the New Testament] was the most zealous of the NT saints...and the most HATED by his adversaries NOT only for his ZEAL but because of his DOCTRINE as well. A zealous Christian is a NORMATIVE Christian...for His Faith will manifest itself in His actions and words. Too, the Christian's words and actions CANNOT and WILL NOT be received with FAVOR in this unbelieving world because we are Christ's and at ENMITY with the world. The world HATED Christ when He was in the world...and His own people plotted to kill Him because He said He was their long awaited Messiah and would bring in the kingdom and forgive their sins...a thing only God could do...and they, in collaboration with the Romans, CRUCIFIED Him. As for Paul...they DECAPITATED him for his testimony. BOTTOM-LINE: The world HATES True Christians...and they especially HATE the Christian's SAVIOUR and God.

Your comment "do not judge, lest ye be judged" [Matthew 7:1] does NOT mean that one is never, in any sense or to any extent, to judge another, for [Matthew 7:5] indicates that when one's own life is pure [i.e., non-hypocritical] he should "cast the mote out" of the brother's eye. It does mean, however, that a follower of Christ is not to be censorious. The disciples were expected to make moral distinctions and not allow those who reject the invitation of Christ to treat precious things as cheap.

Marchello

Shut the f*ck up Marcello 👇

Originally posted by Regret
Fruit is a thing that is percieved by those that partake, the source of a fruit does not impact how the partaker percieves the fruit. Intent means little in the partaking, if the fruit leaves an aversive taste one believes the fruit poor. Only good fruits are evidence of a persons position with Christ.

***Dear "Bishop"

Please show me from the Scriptures that what I say is NOT true...and by saying what I say are NOT good fruits. In return, I will give you my reasons [from the Scriptures] and from your church's writings and doctrines why your "fruits" are NOT Christian Nor true.

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
***Dear "Bishop"

Please show me from the Scriptures that what I say is NOT true...and by saying what I say are NOT good fruits. In return, I will give you my reasons [from the Scriptures] and from your church's writings and doctrines why your "fruits" are NOT Christian Nor true.

Marchello

Shut the f*ck up Marcello 👇

fruits of the spirit are gentleness, kindness, love, long suffering, not delighting in evil...etc......

Just thought I'd throw that in there since we're talking fruits....--> an orange fruits_orange

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Shut the f*ck up Marcello 👇

Originally posted by Marchello
***Dear "Bishop"

Please show me from the Scriptures that what I say is NOT true...and by saying what I say are NOT good fruits. In return, I will give you my reasons [from the Scriptures] and from your church's writings and doctrines why your "fruits" are NOT Christian Nor true.

Marchello

The devil can quote scripture. Just because you quote the Bible doesn't mean you know the truth of its text.

I have yet to see you engender a loving atmosphere with a post, and have only seen you sow discord. Such is not an aspect of the command to love thy neighbor or thy God. Christ's example, as portrayed in the Bible, was of humility, love, charity and peace none of which has been observable in your posts.

There is no need to quote scripture, even someone not well versed in scripture can see you do not embody Christ like attributes in your posts.

Originally posted by Regret
God is not the author of confusion - Your posts are confusing due to lack of proper organization in quoting other's comments, I told you in the first reply I ever made to you at KMC that this was the case, as well as supplying explaination as to the method one should use to quote others.

The devil can quote scripture. Just because you quote the Bible doesn't mean you know the truth of its text.

I have yet to see you engender a loving atmosphere with a post, and have only seen you sow discord. Such is not an aspect of the command to love thy neighbor or thy God. Christ's example, as portrayed in the Bible, was of humility, love, charity and peace none of which has been observable in your posts.

There is no need to quote scripture, even someone not well versed in scripture can see you do not embody Christ like attributes in your posts.

Exactly Regret......Marcello's hatred is so powerful both you and myself can feel it even through an internet posting.....imagine that !

I witness Christians speak like HIM all the time, Regret.....can you truly blame me for my suspicions of people who claim they know God ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Exactly Regret......Marcello's hatred is so powerful both you and myself can feel it even through an internet posting.....imagine that !

I witness Christians speak like HIM all the time, Regret.....can you truly blame me for my suspicions of people who claim they know God ?

"People", "know" and "God" have no buisness in the same sentence.

*["God is not the author of confusion..."]

***Correct.

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*["...- Your posts are confusing due to lack of proper organization in quoting other's comments, I told you in the first reply I ever made to you at KMC that this was the case, as well as supplying explaination as to the method one should use to quote others."]

***You can NEVER get away with that one. There is NO ONE on this board who is more organized than I am...and I NEVER misquote ANYONE...and have a very good grasp of the English language and punctuation techniques. Too, I go to great lengths to organize my remarks and to check my references to back up my claims...as opposed to you and others who offer no references for ANYTHING and only offer their opinions NOT substantiated by facts.

The fact of the matter is that you and others are envious of my organization and knowledge of the Scriptures and CANNOT refute them.

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*["The devil can quote scripture."]

***Yes, he can. In point of fact, he deceived mother Eve in the Garden by causing doubt in her mind by telling her that "Ye shall not surely die" [Genesis 3:4] if she partook of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

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*["Just because you quote the Bible doesn't mean you know the truth of its text."]

***How would you know that? Have you EVER been able to REFUTE anything that I have said?...have you even tried? No you haven't. So, Sir, I would suggest that you temper your remarks because you know no such thing.

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*["I have yet to see you engender a loving atmosphere with a post, and have only seen you sow discord..."]

***You do NOT know what LOVE is...I can tell you that of a CERTAINTY. The Biblical definition of LOVE is NOT synonymous with your worldly "touchy feely" definition. The definition of LOVE as given in the Scriptures is embodied in [John 3:16]: "For God so LOVED the world, that He gave His only begotten SON, that whosoever BELIEVETH in HIM should NOT perish but have EVERLASTING LIFE" [John 3:16]. That is the GODLY definition of LOVE...that God sent His SON Jesus to SAVE SINNERS...of whom I am chief [1 Timothy 1:15].

When I post the people on these boards and tell them that they are SINNERS and need to be SAVED by the BLOOD of Jesus Christ, I am telling them the TRUTH in LOVE because that is what the Scriptures say...and it is the TRUTH...NOT as I only see it but as the Scriptures dictate.

The REASON that you and the others see it as "sowing discord" is because you DO NOT BELIEVE what the Scriptures say... it is DISTASTEFUL and FOOLISHNESS to you...for it is written: "For the preaching of the cross is to them that PERISH foolishness; but unto us which are SAVED it is the POWER of God" [1 Corinthians 1:18]. There is a UNITY between TRUE believers in Christ and NO DISCORD...one FAITH...one BAPTISM...one LORD. I CANNOT and do NOT cause DISUNITY on this board because there is NO UNITY among unbelievers!

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*["Such is not an aspect of the command to love thy neighbor or thy God. Christ's example, as portrayed in the Bible, was of humility, love, charity and peace none of which has been observable in your posts."]

***N/A

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*["There is no need to quote scripture..."]

***Yes there is: "All Scripture is given by INSPIRATION of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for INSTRUCTION in RIGHTEOUSNESS: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works" [2 Timothy 3:16-17].

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*["...even someone not well versed in scripture can see you do not embody Christ like attributes in your posts."]

***If they know not the Scriptures...nor are well-versed in them...HOW would they know that I do not "embody Christ-like attributes?

Marchello