As Strangeglove said last names were not commonly used. People were often identified as _____ son of _____. However, Jesus was descended of David and the descendants of David were often known by the term Davidum which showed their lineage. However, I am unsure if this was used as last name or really how it was used at all.
Originally Posted by Capt Fantastic You've missed my point. And xmas would have been in April. The 17th I believe.
Sorry, it was the astrologers who calculates not me and yes they've encountered the same date you posted above, but you must remember that this is still a debatable theory.
They actually based it on the star that led the Magis to the birthplace of Christ, and you'll be suprised at what they find. We all know that even a star gone supernova cannot lit a portion of the earth, be advised that a supernova star is the brightest object in the entire galaxy.
The Magis were actually from the city of the Chaldeans located southeast of ancient Babylon, the prophet Daniel studied at this place and he studied Astronomy, so my guess is that the Magis were actually Astronomers(wise men). Note the 3 great pyramids of Egypt, these 3 mega structures built on earth supposedly mimics the 3 stars in Orion's belt(the contellation of Orion) above the heavens and now astrologers believe that the star of bethlehem did not actually shine its light directly towards the manger, but the Manger's location was actually in line with that star just like those pyramids in Egypt. So by turning the clock back they've come up with the date and probably it was mrach or april something 4 or 5 A.D.
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*["All men are children of God..."]
***"Bishop" Regret:
Adam and Eve were the first two created HUMAN beings of God according to the FLESH [Genesis 1:27...for Adam] and [Genesis 2:18-23...for Eve]...God made them PERFECT...and gave them DOMINION over all living things [Genesis 1:28]...and it was very GOOD. Then they SINNED [Genesis 3:6] and fell BODILY and SPIRITUALLY...and with them ALL of creation...so God had to expel them from the garden because they both would have lived FOREVER by eating from the tree of LIFE [Genesis 3:22]. Since the DAY that they SINNED they became SINNERS...and God sentenced them and the WHOLE of CREATION to DEATH [Genesis 3:19]...for it is written: "The WAGES of SIN is DEATH.." [Romans 6:23].
But God LOVED man...He PROMISED to send a REDEEMER [Genesis 3:15...the PROTOEVANGELIUM]...and said that there would be a PERPETUAL battle between SATANIC forces and Mankind. It would be BETWEEN Satan and the WOMAN, and their respective "seeds." The "offspring" of the woman was CAIN...then ALL of HUMANITY at large...and then Christ and those collectively IN Him. The "offspring" of the serpent includes DEMONS and ANYONE serving his kingdom of DARKNESS...those whose "father" is the DEVIL [John 8:44]. So then there are TWO kinds of Human beings...(1)those who are the Children of the DEVIL [Satan...John 8:44]...and (2)those who are 'the sons of God" [John 1:12-13].
So NO, "bishop"...ALL men are NOT "the children of God"...ONLY those who have "RECEIVED" Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour ARE called the "sons or children of God" [John 1:12-13]...the REST of Humanity [which is the bulk of the world] are the Children of the DEVIL [John 8:44] because they DENY Christ as Saviour and Lord and WILL PERISH because of their DENIAL.
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*["...you would limit the love you show to believers only? This was not Christ's example, nor what he taught his disciples, and not in any manner Christian..."]
***No...Christians do NOT limit their love to believers only. The "special" LOVE that Christians have for each other is called "agape" LOVE...a LOVE of brothers and sisters for one another...a filial LOVE. Christians have this LOVE for one another because God is OUR Father...and our Father ALONE. He does not belong to the UNBELIEVER...the DEVIL belongs to the UNBELIEVER and is their Father.
The LOVE that Christians have for the UNBELIEVER is borne out of the concern for his/her eternal destiny. God does NOT want ANYONE to PERISH [2 Peter 3:9]...and sent His ONLY Son into the world so that they would NOT perish [John 3:16]. Too, as a Believer, I am on this board to tell ALL here that do NOT believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord...that they will PERISH without Him...that He holds out His arms to them and wants to LOVE and REDEEM them...but when I do this...very FEW [you included] say nice things to me and tell me to shut up...that I am a HATE MONGER, etc. For that they will PERISH because they have REFUSED God's OFFER of SALVATION through His Son Jesus.
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*["...Stop looking for Biblical rationale for hate and start paying attention to the fact that its message is one of love..."]
***How would you know about LOVE, "Bishop"...when you DENY that Jesus Christ is the ONLY Saviour and Lord...and are a believer in MANY "gods"...and that you will become a "god" yourself!
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*["Oh, and BTW, brothers and sisters are references to the human family not just believers."]
***We are ALL CREATED creatures of God according to the FLESH...but ONLY believers are BOTH CREATED in the FLESH and RE-CREATED in the SPIRIT [2 Corinthians 5:17]--->a "new Creation" IN Christ Jesus.
Marchello
Magi were priests of Zoroastrianism if I remember correctly. They would be 'wise men', trained in astronomy, probably astrology, discernment of dreams and some occult arts. Ur of Chaldees of which you speak was the original home of Abraham and I do not believe that it was still inhabited at the time of Jesus as the river had moved away from the city. However, the Chaldeans were well known for their astronomy and astrology, but they were not Zoroastrianists. Ur's patron god was Nanna the moon god if I remember correctly.
Re: Re: Re: What's the last name of Jesus?
Originally posted by Oncewhite
The same reason why some believe in the three leaf clover...why do u feel the need to ridicule others for their own beliefs?
Why do you take my straight forward answer as a ridicule? If you where to tell me the sky was green, I would say "no, the sky is blue". Does that ridicule the people who believe the sky to be green?
Re: Re: Re: What's the last name of Jesus?
Originally posted by Oncewhite
why do u feel the need to ridicule others for their own beliefs?
he never ridiculed you. he stated his own belief and asked why you believe the bible. 😬
i think you owe an apology to everyone whom you pull that persecution copout with.
Originally posted by HULKSTER04The main method for determining the approximate date of Christ's birth is Zechariah. Zechariah had a specific time frame of when he would have officiated in the temple, and that date in relation to John the Baptist's birth extrapolating Christ's. Given this, the possible dates from Biblical information given are either March/April or September/October, but which is undetermined by Biblical and scientific information alone..
Originally Posted by Capt Fantastic
[B]Sorry, it was the astrologers who calculates not me and yes they've encountered the same date you posted above, but you must remember that this is still a debatable theory.
They actually based it on the star that led the Magis to the birthplace of Christ, and you'll be suprised at what they find. We all know that even a star gone supernova cannot lit a portion of the earth, be advised that a supernova star is the brightest object in the entire galaxy.
The Magis were actually from the city of the Chaldeans located southeast of ancient Babylon, the prophet Daniel studied at this place and he studied Astronomy, so my guess is that the Magis were actually Astronomers(wise men). Note the 3 great pyramids of Egypt, these 3 mega structures built on earth supposedly mimics the 3 stars in Orion's belt(the contellation of Orion) above the heavens and now astrologers believe that the star of bethlehem did not actually shine its light directly towards the manger, but the Manger's location was actually in line with that star just like those pyramids in Egypt. So by turning the clock back they've come up with the date and probably it was mrach or april something 4 or 5 A.D. [/B]
Originally posted by MarchelloOnly if you are correct in your beliefs. Given that all you have is a claim to having the Holy Spirit, a claim that I hold for myself. You have absolutely no means of verifying you are the correct one. On the other hand, I also claim knowledge given to modern Prophets (and try as you might, there is no Biblical support for their not existing in modern time), thus I have more support than yourself, as even any leader that supports you has only as much validity as I do.
Page 1:*["All men are children of God..."]
***"Bishop" Regret:
Adam and Eve were the first two created HUMAN beings of God according to the FLESH [Genesis 1:27...for Adam] and [Genesis 2:18-23...for Eve]...God made them PERFECT...and gave them DOMINION over all living things [Genesis 1:28]...and it was very GOOD. Then they SINNED [Genesis 3:6] and fell BODILY and SPIRITUALLY...and with them ALL of creation...so God had to expel them from the garden because they both would have lived FOREVER by eating from the tree of LIFE [Genesis 3:22]. Since the DAY that they SINNED they became SINNERS...and God sentenced them and the WHOLE of CREATION to DEATH [Genesis 3:19]...for it is written: "The WAGES of SIN is DEATH.." [Romans 6:23].
But God LOVED man...He PROMISED to send a REDEEMER [Genesis 3:15...the PROTOEVANGELIUM]...and said that there would be a PERPETUAL battle between SATANIC forces and Mankind. It would be BETWEEN Satan and the WOMAN, and their respective "seeds." The "offspring" of the woman was CAIN...then ALL of HUMANITY at large...and then Christ and those collectively IN Him. The "offspring" of the serpent includes DEMONS and ANYONE serving his kingdom of DARKNESS...those whose "father" is the DEVIL [John 8:44]. So then there are TWO kinds of Human beings...(1)those who are the Children of the DEVIL [Satan...John 8:44]...and (2)those who are 'the sons of God" [John 1:12-13].
So NO, "bishop"...ALL men are NOT "the children of God"...ONLY those who have "RECEIVED" Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour ARE called the "sons or children of God" [John 1:12-13]...the REST of Humanity [which is the bulk of the world] are the Children of the DEVIL [John 8:44] because they DENY Christ as Saviour and Lord and WILL PERISH because of their DENIAL.
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*["...you would limit the love you show to believers only? This was not Christ's example, nor what he taught his disciples, and not in any manner Christian..."]
***No...Christians do NOT limit their love to believers only. The "special" LOVE that Christians have for each other is called "agape" LOVE...a LOVE of brothers and sisters for one another...a filial LOVE. Christians have this LOVE for one another because God is OUR Father...and our Father ALONE. He does not belong to the UNBELIEVER...the DEVIL belongs to the UNBELIEVER and is their Father.
The LOVE that Christians have for the UNBELIEVER is borne out of the concern for his/her eternal destiny. God does NOT want ANYONE to PERISH [2 Peter 3:9]...and sent His ONLY Son into the world so that they would NOT perish [John 3:16]. Too, as a Believer, I am on this board to tell ALL here that do NOT believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord...that they will PERISH without Him...that He holds out His arms to them and wants to LOVE and REDEEM them...but when I do this...very FEW [you included] say nice things to me and tell me to shut up...that I am a HATE MONGER, etc. For that they will PERISH because they have REFUSED God's OFFER of SALVATION through His Son Jesus.
********************************************
*["...Stop looking for Biblical rationale for hate and start paying attention to the fact that its message is one of love..."]
***How would you know about LOVE, "Bishop"...when you DENY that Jesus Christ is the ONLY Saviour and Lord...and are a believer in MANY "gods"...and that you will become a "god" yourself!
********************************************
*["Oh, and BTW, brothers and sisters are references to the human family not just believers."]
***We are ALL CREATED creatures of God according to the FLESH...but ONLY believers are BOTH CREATED in the FLESH and RE-CREATED in the SPIRIT [2 Corinthians 5:17]--->a "new Creation" IN Christ Jesus.
Marchello
I believe in the Bible, but I do not believe in your interpretation of it. If your interpretation is correct and I go to hell, I will be happy with that. I dislike your view of God, so if He is as you say, then I also dislike your God and do not desire to be near him or affiliated with him in any manner. If He is instead as I believe Him, then I like Him.
Originally posted by Regret
Only if you are correct in your beliefs. Given that all you have is a claim to having the Holy Spirit, a claim that I hold for myself. You have absolutely no means of verifying you are the correct one. On the other hand, I also claim knowledge given to modern Prophets (and try as you might, there is no Biblical support for their not existing in modern time), thus I have more support than yourself, as even any leader that supports you has only as much validity as I do.I believe in the Bible, but I do not believe in your interpretation of it. If your interpretation is correct and I go to hell, I will be happy with that. I dislike your view of God, so if He is as you say, then I also dislike your God and do not desire to be near him or affiliated with him in any manner. If He is instead as I believe Him, then I like Him.
sup dude.
that's a very scary position you hold there man. kinda silly to be so stuck on your own opinion, that you'd be willing to reject correction even to the point of going to hell..just cause you dont like hearing what somebody has to say.
instead of basing your opinions on 'modern prophets', base your opinion on gods word...which is the bible. have faith in it and pray on it after reading it man. god makes being able to understand it easy if you really love him.
so anyway dude..the bible or gods word is the only verification a christian needs. and a christian who is moved by the holy spirit, will understands the necessity of correction in there life, and also understand that the bible is only meant to be interpreted one way. which is gods way a course. remember dude..god is absolute, not relative or wishy-washy like this world is.
Originally posted by supdudeCorrection is fine, I just dislike what God is from his point of view. I don't wish to be associated with the God of his beliefs.
sup dude.that's a very scary position you hold there man. kinda silly to be so stuck on your own opinion, that you'd be willing to reject correction even to the point of going to hell..just cause you dont like hearing what somebody has to say.
instead of basing your opinions on 'modern prophets', base your opinion on gods word...which is the bible. have faith in it and pray on it after reading it man. god makes being able to understand it easy if you really love him.
so anyway dude..the bible or gods word is the only verification a christian needs. and a christian who is moved by the holy spirit, will understands the necessity of correction in there life, and also understand that the bible is only meant to be interpreted one way. which is gods way a course. remember dude..god is absolute, not relative or wishy-washy like this world is.
The Bible is only a record of prophet's words and men's interaction with God. It is inspired and profitable, but it is only the record of events. Given this, prophets are the manner of communicating God's word, the Bible a method of spreading God's word.
Originally posted by supdude
...and also understand that the bible is only meant to be interpreted one way. which is gods way a course. remember dude..god is absolute, not relative or wishy-washy like this world is.
Which one, of these ways of interpreting the bible, is the right one?
1 Catholicism
1.1 The Catholic Church: Churches in communion with the bishop of Rome
1.2 Churches claiming to be Catholic having broken communion with Rome
2 Eastern Orthodoxy
2.1 The Orthodox Church (aka, Eastern Orthodox Church)
2.1.1 Western-Rite Orthodox Churches
2.2 Other Eastern Orthodox Churches
3 Assyrian Church of the East
4 Oriental Orthodoxy
4.1 Oriental Orthodox Communion
5 Protestantism
5.1 Protestants before Luther
5.2 Lutheranism
5.3 Anglican / Episcopal Church
5.3.1 Anglican Communion
5.3.2 Independent Anglican and Continuing Anglican Movement Churches
5.4 Presbyterian and Reformed Churches
5.4.1 Presbyterianism
5.4.2 Reformed / Congregationalist Churches
5.5 Anabaptists
5.6 Methodists
5.7 Pietists and Holiness Churches
5.8 Baptists
5.9 Spiritual Baptists
5.10 Brethren Denominations
5.11 Apostolic Churches - Irvingites
5.12 Pentecostalism
5.12.1 Oneness Pentecostalism
5.13 Charismatics
5.13.1 Neo-Charismatic Churches
5.14 African Initiated Churches
5.15 United and uniting churches
5.16 Other Protestant Denominations
6 Society of Friends (Quakers)
7 Church of Christ, Scientist
8 Messianic Judaism
9 Restorationism
9.1 Latter-day Saints
9.2 Stone-Campbell Restoration Movement
9.3 Southcottites
9.4 Millerites and Comparable groups
9.4.1 Sabbath-Keeping Churches, Adventist
9.4.2 Sabbath-Keeping Churches, Non-Adventist in north Pennsylvania
9.4.3 Sunday Adventists
9.4.4 Sacred Name Groups
9.4.5 Other Adventists
9.5 Russellite Groups
9.5.1 Jehovah's Witnesses
9.5.2 Bible Student Groups
9.6 Anglo-Israelism
10 Nontrinitarian Christianity
10.1 Unitarianism and Universalism
11 Religious movements related to Christianity
11.1 Manichaeism
11.2 Swedenborgianism
11.2.1 Episcopal
11.2.2 Congregational
11.3 New Thought
11.4 Christian mystery movements
12 Ethnic or syncretic religions incorporating elements of Christianity
13 Christianism
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonExactly. It's all a matter of personal belief and faith.
Which one, of these ways of interpreting the bible, is the right one?1 Catholicism
1.1 The Catholic Church: Churches in communion with the bishop of Rome
1.2 Churches claiming to be Catholic having broken communion with Rome
2 Eastern Orthodoxy
2.1 The Orthodox Church (aka, Eastern Orthodox Church)
2.1.1 Western-Rite Orthodox Churches
2.2 Other Eastern Orthodox Churches
3 Assyrian Church of the East
4 Oriental Orthodoxy
4.1 Oriental Orthodox Communion
5 Protestantism
5.1 Protestants before Luther
5.2 Lutheranism
5.3 Anglican / Episcopal Church
5.3.1 Anglican Communion
5.3.2 Independent Anglican and Continuing Anglican Movement Churches
5.4 Presbyterian and Reformed Churches
5.4.1 Presbyterianism
5.4.2 Reformed / Congregationalist Churches
5.5 Anabaptists
5.6 Methodists
5.7 Pietists and Holiness Churches
5.8 Baptists
5.9 Spiritual Baptists
5.10 Brethren Denominations
5.11 Apostolic Churches - Irvingites
5.12 Pentecostalism
5.12.1 Oneness Pentecostalism
5.13 Charismatics
5.13.1 Neo-Charismatic Churches
5.14 African Initiated Churches
5.15 United and uniting churches
5.16 Other Protestant Denominations
6 Society of Friends (Quakers)
7 Church of Christ, Scientist
8 Messianic Judaism
9 Restorationism
9.1 Latter-day Saints
9.2 Stone-Campbell Restoration Movement
9.3 Southcottites
9.4 Millerites and Comparable groups
9.4.1 Sabbath-Keeping Churches, Adventist
9.4.2 Sabbath-Keeping Churches, Non-Adventist in north Pennsylvania
9.4.3 Sunday Adventists
9.4.4 Sacred Name Groups
9.4.5 Other Adventists
9.5 Russellite Groups
9.5.1 Jehovah's Witnesses
9.5.2 Bible Student Groups
9.6 Anglo-Israelism
10 Nontrinitarian Christianity
10.1 Unitarianism and Universalism
11 Religious movements related to Christianity
11.1 Manichaeism
11.2 Swedenborgianism
11.2.1 Episcopal
11.2.2 Congregational
11.3 New Thought
11.4 Christian mystery movements
12 Ethnic or syncretic religions incorporating elements of Christianity
13 Christianism
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Which one, of these ways of interpreting the bible, is the right one?1 Catholicism
1.1 The Catholic Church: Churches in communion with the bishop of Rome
1.2 Churches claiming to be Catholic having broken communion with Rome
2 Eastern Orthodoxy
2.1 The Orthodox Church (aka, Eastern Orthodox Church)
2.1.1 Western-Rite Orthodox Churches
2.2 Other Eastern Orthodox Churches
3 Assyrian Church of the East
4 Oriental Orthodoxy
4.1 Oriental Orthodox Communion
5 Protestantism
5.1 Protestants before Luther
5.2 Lutheranism
5.3 Anglican / Episcopal Church
5.3.1 Anglican Communion
5.3.2 Independent Anglican and Continuing Anglican Movement Churches
5.4 Presbyterian and Reformed Churches
5.4.1 Presbyterianism
5.4.2 Reformed / Congregationalist Churches
5.5 Anabaptists
5.6 Methodists
5.7 Pietists and Holiness Churches
5.8 Baptists
5.9 Spiritual Baptists
5.10 Brethren Denominations
5.11 Apostolic Churches - Irvingites
5.12 Pentecostalism
5.12.1 Oneness Pentecostalism
5.13 Charismatics
5.13.1 Neo-Charismatic Churches
5.14 African Initiated Churches
5.15 United and uniting churches
5.16 Other Protestant Denominations
6 Society of Friends (Quakers)
7 Church of Christ, Scientist
8 Messianic Judaism
9 Restorationism
9.1 Latter-day Saints
9.2 Stone-Campbell Restoration Movement
9.3 Southcottites
9.4 Millerites and Comparable groups
9.4.1 Sabbath-Keeping Churches, Adventist
9.4.2 Sabbath-Keeping Churches, Non-Adventist in north Pennsylvania
9.4.3 Sunday Adventists
9.4.4 Sacred Name Groups
9.4.5 Other Adventists
9.5 Russellite Groups
9.5.1 Jehovah's Witnesses
9.5.2 Bible Student Groups
9.6 Anglo-Israelism
10 Nontrinitarian Christianity
10.1 Unitarianism and Universalism
11 Religious movements related to Christianity
11.1 Manichaeism
11.2 Swedenborgianism
11.2.1 Episcopal
11.2.2 Congregational
11.3 New Thought
11.4 Christian mystery movements
12 Ethnic or syncretic religions incorporating elements of Christianity
13 Christianism
sup dude..
i go by this one right here..
1. the bible..
and then i do this next
2. pray on what ive read
and then i do this
3. have faith that god will not lead me astray.
faith in god is the most important thing. as long as a peep has faith in his love, then there's really nothing to worry about.