Jesus Christ

Originally posted by Jury
So what about the very thing which Jesus said about the Father... that He (the Father) [b]ALONE is the True God? Can we still suggest that the Son, being a separate person, is also God? [/B]

* Jesus testified that His Father is God... the Father also testified that His Son is also a God... the Father is God, His son is also a God... it is illogical for one to have an offspring of different state of being...

Originally posted by Tim Rout
The Bible paints a picture of one God who exists eternally as three co-equal, co-divine Persons...the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. While Jesus shares a divine nature with the Father and the Spirit, He is a unique Person within the Godhead.

* the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not equal... the Father is greater than the Son, the Son is greater than the Holy Spirit...

i dont know, i wasnt there. I cant trust strangers to give me correct change at the gas station, so how am i supposed to even begin to accept the idea's of a bunch of strangers which existed a few thousand years before i was born. considering that the Bible has had many translations and has been manipulated by throne whores to keep their power and further lead his sheep. I dont know how much credence i put into the bible, but, i believe that there was a prophet whom inspired better ways. If he was not the son of god, perhaps his spiritual connection was just more attune with God's will.

Jesus the Christ of the Christian religion is the AntiMessiah that all the Hebrew prophets and the apostles of the Real Messiah warned you was coming!

Okieshowedem

* the ambiguity lies on the word "GOD"... because if you read the Bible, you learn that most passages pertains the word to the Father... but some pertains it as a state of being... for example: John 1:1, it does not say that the Word is the Father, but it tells us the state of being of the Word...

* so, is Jesus God (the Father)? nope...

* is Jesus God (state of being)? yes... 🙂

Originally posted by peejayd
* the ambiguity lies on the word "GOD"... because if you read the Bible, you learn that most passages pertains the word to the Father... but some pertains it as a state of being... for example: John 1:1, it does not say that the Word is the Father, but it tells us the state of being of the Word...

* so, is Jesus God (the Father)? nope...

* is Jesus God (state of being)? yes... 🙂

There are a lot of people who "read the bible" and would not agree with you. You should not assume that the people around you are ignorant. It is more likely that they simple do not agree with your interpretation of the bible.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There are a lot of people who "read the bible" and would not agree with you. You should not assume that the people around you are ignorant. It is more likely that they simple do not agree with your interpretation of the bible.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There are a lot of people who "read the bible" and would not agree with you.

* bause of different interpretations...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You should not assume that the people around you are ignorant.

* please do not instigate something like that... i am just saying what the Bible has...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is more likely that they simple do not agree with your interpretation of the bible.

* that's what wrong, people should not intepret, just read...

i have a question for people who believe jesus was a prophet but not the messiah. how could jesus be a prophet and then lie about being the son of god? wouldn't that be 'blasphemy?'

Originally posted by peejayd
* that's what wrong, people should not intepret, just read...

You can't "just read" parables. That's stupid and undermines the entire Bible. That sort of anti-intellectualism is the main reason so many idiots get sucked into evangelical churches.

Originally posted by peejayd
* bause of different interpretations...

* please do not instigate something like that... i am just saying what the Bible has...

* that's what wrong, people should not intepret, just read...

Originally posted by peejayd
* bause of different interpretations...

* please do not instigate something like that... i am just saying what the Bible has...

* that's what wrong, people should not intepret, just read...

But just reading is a type of interpretation.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You can't "just read" parables. That's stupid and undermines the entire Bible. That sort of anti-intellectualism is the main reason so many idiots get sucked into evangelical churches.

* it does not undermine the entire Bible... actually, if you will just and not interpret, the Bible would be able to give you its own meaning...

Originally posted by Da Pittman
So people should just read and not try to understand? Do you believe that they Earth is only a few thousand years old?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But just reading is a type of interpretation.

* trying to understand and giving interpretation are two different things... 🙂

Originally posted by peejayd
* trying to understand and giving interpretation are two different things... 🙂

What does 7 days mean, is it 7 days compared to Earth? What is 7 days compared to someone that doesn’t exist in time and space, the Earth and Sun wasn’t even crated yet so how can there be days? A day for the Earth is shorter than a day on Jupiter, so what day are they talking about?

Originally posted by peejayd
* trying to understand and giving interpretation are two different things... 🙂

It's like that saying: "to not choose is still a choice". The difference is only in degrees.

Originally posted by peejayd
* it does not undermine the entire Bible... actually, if you will just and not interpret, the Bible would be able to give you its own meaning...

Without interpretation there is no meaning in the Bible at all. Taken at face value without thought the Bible is nothing more than an anthology of disjointed stories.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
So then you have read the original text of the Bible? If not then you have read a completely translated version which means you have not read the Bible but someone interpretation of the Bible from its original text. You still haven’t answered my question; do you believe the Universe was created in 7 days? Do you believe that the Universe is only a few thousand years old?

What does 7 days mean, is it 7 days compared to Earth? What is 7 days compared to someone that doesn’t exist in time and space, the Earth and Sun wasn’t even crated yet so how can there be days? A day for the Earth is shorter than a day on Jupiter, so what day are they talking about?

Pitt officially just pissed in your pool.

If god wanted to get his/it's message acrosed, he sure would have done a better job...Hmm maybe make the bug orange thing in the sky say..."hmmm good and thanks for the sacrifice....good for you?.....Do me agian please."

Originally posted by Da Pittman
So then you have read the original text of the Bible?

* of course... have you?

Originally posted by Da Pittman
If not then you have read a completely translated version which means you have not read the Bible but someone interpretation of the Bible from its original text.

* it's still as it was...

Originally posted by Da Pittman
You still haven’t answered my question; do you believe the Universe was created in 7 days? Do you believe that the Universe is only a few thousand years old?

What does 7 days mean, is it 7 days compared to Earth? What is 7 days compared to someone that doesn’t exist in time and space, the Earth and Sun wasn’t even crated yet so how can there be days? A day for the Earth is shorter than a day on Jupiter, so what day are they talking about?

* II Peter 3:8... those are not literal 24-hour days... "with God, one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day"... the Bible can give its own meaning, so it's not right to give our own interpretation... just read, and the Bible will supply the answer...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It's like that saying: "to not choose is still a choice". The difference is only in degrees.

* it's still different, ain't it?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Without interpretation there is no meaning in the Bible at all. Taken at face value without thought the Bible is nothing more than an anthology of disjointed stories.

* if you read, you can understand that the stories are not disjointed... there is a meaning, but it will not come from you or anybody else but from the Bible itself...

Originally posted by chithappens
Pitt officially just pissed in your pool.

* and i officially cleared it off... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
...* it's still different, ain't it?...

Almost anything can be rationalize.

Originally posted by peejayd
* II Peter 3:8... those are not literal 24-hour days... "with God, one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day"... the Bible can give its own meaning, so it's not right to give our own interpretation... just read, and the Bible will supply the answer...