Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Are you smocking pot? Jesus come on earth to deliver a message of PEACE.War =/= Peace.
I mean... you know... they are like... opposite?
I think that Jesus and God would vote for Ralph Nader or Green Party, something like that.
Jesus did not come to bring peace; Jesus came to bring division. You should read the bible.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Not true. Review the life of Kepler. You are repeating an urbane legend propagated by Christian fundamentalists.
Well, in Advanced Chemistry if we were doing experiments and the results we expected didn't come up...we would just lie.
Just like cigarette companies do on a regular basis.
Oh and also- Christian Fundamentalists BARELY exist in the country, their influence is minimal, they are just known as crackpots.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Well, in Advanced Chemistry if we were doing experiments and the results we expected didn't come up...we would just lie.Just like cigarette companies do on a regular basis.
Oh and also- Christian Fundamentalists BARELY exist in the country, their influence is minimal, they are just known as crackpots.
Did you do a peer review publication of your work?
I'm in the USA, and Christian Fundamentalists are everywhere. 🙁
Originally posted by peejaydThat is like saying that you expected the new Star Wars book to talk about the Klingon's, the Bible was never meant to be a science book or anything even close. There is not one scientific theory in all of the Bible so why would you expect it too?
* i'm not saying it's irrelevant... i just said i was expecting something like the pi or gravity argument... 🙂
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonAnd a major force in the country. 😱 😖
Did you do a peer review publication of your work?I'm in the USA, and Christian Fundamentalists are everywhere. 🙁
Doctrine - 60 Questions on the Godhead
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Read the answers to sixty questions concerning the Godhead as found in the Bible.
1. Is the word trinity in the Bible? No.
2. Does the Bible say that there are three persons in the Godhead? No.
3. Does the Bible speak of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? Yes.
4. Do these titles as used in Matthew 28:19 mean that there are three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead? No, they refer to three offices, roles, or relationship to humanity.
5. Does the Bible use the word three in reference to God? Only one verse in the entire Bible does so-I John 5:7. It speaks of the Father, the Word (instead of Son), and the Holy Ghost, and it concludes by saying, "These three are one."
6. Does the Bible use the word one in reference to God? Yes, many times. For example, see Zechariah 14:9; Malachi 2:10; Matthew 23:9; Mark 12:29, 32; John 8:41; 10:30; Romans 3:30; I Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; I Timothy 2:5; James 2:19.
7. Can the mystery of the Godhead be understood? Yes. Romans 1:20; Colossians 2:9; I Timothy 3:16.
8. Has the Christian only one Heavenly Father? Yes. Matthew 23:9.
9. Then why did Jesus say to Philip, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:9)? Because Jesus is the express image of God's person. Hebrews 1:3. The Greek word for personin this verse literally means "substance."
10. Does the Bible say that there are two persons in the Godhead? No.
11. Does the Bible say that all the Godhead is revealed in one person? Yes, in Jesus Christ. II Corinthians 4:4; Colossians 1:19; 2:9; Hebrews 1:3.
12. Is the mystery of the Deity hidden from some people? Yes. Luke 10:21-22.
13. Who is the Father? The Father is the one God, particularly as revealed in parental relationship to humanity. Deuteronomy 32:6; Malachi 2:10.
14. Where was God the Father while Jesus was on earth? The Father was in Christ. John 14:10; II Corinthians 5:19. He was also in heaven, for God is omnipresent.
15. Did the prophet Isaiah say that Jesus would be the Father? Yes. Isaiah 9:6; 63:16.
16. When God said, "Let us make man in our image" (Genesis 1:26), was He speaking to another person in the Godhead? No. Isaiah 44:24; Malachi 2:10.
17. How many of God's qualities were in Christ? All. Colossians 2:9.
18. How may we see the God who sent Jesus into the world? By seeing Jesus. John 12:44-45; 14:9.
19. Does the Bible say that Jesus is the Almighty? Yes. Revelation 1:8
20. Whom do some designate as the first person in the trinity? God the Father.
21. Whom do some designate as the last person in the trinity? The Holy Ghost. But Jesus said that He was the first and last. Revelation 1:17-18
22. How many persons did John see sitting on the throne in heaven? One. Revelation 4:2.
23. If Jesus is the first and the last, why did God say in Isaiah 44:6 that He was the first and the last? Because Jesus is the God of the Old Testament incarnate.
24. Did Jesus tell Satan that God alone should be worshipped? Yes. Matthew 4:10
25. Does the devil believe in more than one God? No. James 2:19.
26. Does the Bible say that God, who is the Word, was made flesh? Yes John 1:1, 14.
27. For what purpose was God manifested in the flesh? To save sinners. Hebrews 2:9, 14.
28. Was Jesus God manifested in the flesh? Yes. I Timothy 3:16.
29. Could Jesus have been on earth and in heaven at the same time? Yes. John 3:13.
30. Does the Bible say that there is but one Lord? Yes. Isaiah 45:18; Ephesians 4:5.
31. Does the Bible say that Christ is the Lord? Yes. Luke 2:11.
32. Does the Bible say that the Lord is God? Yes. I kings 18:39; Zechariah 14:5; Acts 2:39; Revelation 19:1.
33. How could the church belong to Jesus (Matthew 16:18) and yet be the church of God (I Corinthians 10:32)? Because Jesus is God in the flesh.
34. Will God give His glory to another? No. Isaiah 42:8.
35. Was there a God formed before Jehovah, or will there be one formed after? No. Isaiah 43:10.
36. What is one thing that God does not know? Another God. Isaiah 44:8.
37. What is one thing that God Cannot do? Lie. Titus 1:2.
38. How many Gods should we know? Only one. Hosea 13:4.
39. How many names has the Lord? One. Zechariah 14:9.
40. Is it good to think upon the name of the Lord? Yes. Malachi 3:16.
41. Does the Bible say that God alone treads upon the waves of the sea? Yes. Job 9:8
42. Why, then, was Jesus able to walk upon the Sea of Galilee (Matthew 14:25)? Because He is God the Creator. Colossians 1:16.
43. Is God the only one who can forgive sin? Yes. Isiah 43:25; Mark 2:7.
44. Why, then, could Jesus forgive sin in Mark 2:5-11? Because He is God the Savior.
45. Is Jesus the true God? Yes. I John 5:20.
46. If God and the Holy Ghost are two separate persons, which was the Father of Christ? Matthew 1:20 says that the Holy Ghost was the Father, while Romans 15:6, II Corinthians 11:31, and Ephesians 1:3 say that God was the Father. There is no contradiction when we realize that God the Father and the Holy Ghost are one and the same Spirit. Matthew 10:20; Ephesians 4:4; I Corinthians 3:16.
47. When Paul asked the Lord who He was, what was the answer? "I am Jesus." Acts 9:5.
48. When Stephen was dying, did he call God Jesus? Yes. Acts 7:59.
49. Did Thomas ever call Jesus God? Yes. John 20:28.
50. How could Jesus be the Savior, when God the Father said in Isaiah 43:11, "Beside me there is no Savior?" Because "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself." II Corinthians 5:19.
51. Does the Bible say that Jesus was God with us? Yes. Matthew 1:23.
52. Did Jesus ever say, "I and my Father are one?" Yes. John 10:30.
53. Can it be proved scripturally that Jesus and the Father are one in the same sense that husband and wife are one? No. The Godhead was never compared to the relationship of a husband and wife. Jesus identified Himself with the Father in a way that husband and wife cannot be identified with each other. John 14:9-11.
54. Does the Bible say that there is only one wise God? Yes. Jude 25.
55. Does the Bible call the Holy Ghost a second or third person in the Godhead? No. The Holy Ghost is the one Spirit of God, the one God Himself at work in our lives. John 4:24; I Corinthians 3:16-17; 6:19; 12:13.
56. Can Trinitarians show that three divine persons were present when Jesus was baptized by John? Absolutely not. The one, omnipresent God used three simultaneous manifestations. Only one divine person was present--Jesus Christ the Lord.
57. Then what were the other two of whom Trinitarians speak? One was a voice from heaven; the other was the Spirit of God in the form of a dove. Matthew 3:16-17.
58. What did the voice say at Jesus' baptism? "Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Mark 1:11. As the Son of God, Jesus was the one God incarnate.
59. Does the Bible say that God shed His blood and that God laid down His life for us? Yes. Acts 20:28; I John 3:16. God was able to do this because He had taken upon Himself a human body.
60. The Bible says that God is coming back with all his saints (Zechariah 14:5) and also that Jesus is coming back with all his saints (I Thessalonians 3:13). Are two coming back? No. Only one is coming back--our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ. Titus 2:13.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
That is like saying that you expected the new Star Wars book to talk about the Klingon's, the Bible was never meant to be a science book or anything even close. There is not one scientific theory in all of the Bible so why would you expect it too? And a major force in the country. 😱 😖
* 😱 you got it all mixed up, dude... just take a look what i quoted in the first place, it's about pi and gravity which the Bible was "contradicting"...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Jesus did not come to bring peace; Jesus came to bring division. You should read the bible.
* He did made division (as a result), by implementing New Laws to change and/or amend what the Old Laws lack... but that does not mean He did not brought peace, in fact, peace and love are two of many essences of His doctrine...
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
4. Do these titles as used in Matthew 28:19 mean that there are three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead? No, they refer to three offices, roles, or relationship to humanity.
* the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not just titles, They are actually three different entities... They are not separate/distinct though...
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
5. Does the Bible use the word three in reference to God? Only one verse in the entire Bible does so-I John 5:7. It speaks of the Father, the Word (instead of Son), and the Holy Ghost, and it concludes by saying, "These three are one."
* I John 5:7 is not present in the original manuscript of the Bible...
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
14. Where was God the Father while Jesus was on earth? The Father was in Christ. John 14:10; II Corinthians 5:19. He was also in heaven, for God is omnipresent.
* the Father is not omnipresent, the Father is in heaven while Jesus was on earth, Matthew 6:9... the Father is in Christ but not literally, Colossians 1:19
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
15. Did the prophet Isaiah say that Jesus would be the Father? Yes. Isaiah 9:6; 63:16.
* in Isaiah 9:6, the prophecy said that Jesus would be called the Everlasting Father, but He is not the Father perse, Jesus considers His apostles His children (John 21:5)...
* in Isaiah 63:16, it was the Father, not Jesus...
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
16. When God said, "Let us make man in our image" (Genesis 1:26), was He speaking to another person in the Godhead? No. Isaiah 44:24; Malachi 2:10.
* the Father is speaking to the one who has the same image and likeness of Himself which is Jesus (Colossians 1:15, Hebrews 1:2-3)...
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
20. Whom do some designate as the first person in the trinity? God the Father.21. Whom do some designate as the last person in the trinity? The Holy Ghost. But Jesus said that He was the first and last. Revelation 1:17-18
* if there is no trinity in the Bible - which there really isn't - there is no reason to answer this question...
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
23. If Jesus is the first and the last, why did God say in Isaiah 44:6 that He was the first and the last? Because Jesus is the God of the Old Testament incarnate.
* Jesus is NOT the God of the Old Testament incarnate... Jesus possesses qualities, authority and power of the Father because He is the Only Begotten Son of the Father... the Father is powerful, His Son should also be powerful...
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
26. Does the Bible say that God, who is the Word, was made flesh? Yes John 1:1, 14.
* the Word was God... the term "God" refers to state of being, it does not mean that the Word is the Father... the Father cannot change (James 1:17, Psalms 90:2)...
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
33. How could the church belong to Jesus (Matthew 16:18) and yet be the church of God (I Corinthians 10:32)? Because Jesus is God in the flesh.
* Jesus is NOT the Father in the flesh... Jesus was God (refering to state of being) manifested in the flesh (I Timothy 3:16)... the Church was built by Christ (Matthew 16:18) under the order of the Father (John 12:49), and Jesus wants to give the glory/credit to the Father (Matthew 6:13) so the Church was called Church of God...
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
34. Will God give His glory to another? No. Isaiah 42:8.
* no one, except His Son (John 17:5)...
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
35. Was there a God formed before Jehovah, or will there be one formed after? No. Isaiah 43:10.
* no one, but Christ is not formed, He was begotten by the Father (Hebrews 1:5)...
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
36. What is one thing that God does not know? Another God. Isaiah 44:8.
* a person's decision (Jeremiah 7:31, 19:5)...
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
37. What is one thing that God Cannot do? Lie. Titus 1:2.
* the Father cannot change (James 1:17, Psalms 90:2)...
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
42. Why, then, was Jesus able to walk upon the Sea of Galilee (Matthew 14:25)? Because He is God the Creator. Colossians 1:16.
* Christ is a big factor in the Creation, all things are made through Christ (John 1:3, Colossians 1:16-17) but the Creator is the Father (Acts 17:24)...
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
44. Why, then, could Jesus forgive sin in Mark 2:5-11? Because He is God the Savior.
* Christ is a God (state of being) and the Savior of the body (Ephesians 5:23) which is the Church (Colossians 1:18)... the Father is the Savior of all (I Timothy 4:10)...
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
46. If God and the Holy Ghost are two separate persons, which was the Father of Christ? Matthew 1:20 says that the Holy Ghost was the Father, while Romans 15:6, II Corinthians 11:31, and Ephesians 1:3 say that God was the Father. There is no contradiction when we realize that God the Father and the Holy Ghost are one and the same Spirit. Matthew 10:20; Ephesians 4:4; I Corinthians 3:16.
* the Father and the Holy Spirit are two different entities... Matthew 3:16-17 says the Holy Spirit came down from heaven in the form of a dove, and the Father is in heaven whose voice spoke...
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
58. What did the voice say at Jesus' baptism? "Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Mark 1:11. As the Son of God, Jesus was the one God incarnate.
* Jesus was NOT the one God incarnate... that's why there is a Father and there is a Son... They are two different entities, They are not separate/distinct though...
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
59. Does the Bible say that God shed His blood and that God laid down His life for us? Yes. Acts 20:28; I John 3:16. God was able to do this because He had taken upon Himself a human body.
* it was Jesus, not the Father... 🙂
Originally posted by Jack DanielsHe is not drinking wine but the hard stuff 😛
Jesus said he did not come to change the law...ferget it another thread soon to come...look at it this way folks jesus said he wouldnt drink wine till he comes back...if its all true dont u think he is pretty darn thirsty ....LOOK OUT WORLD
Originally posted by Da Pittman
You are not making any scene, so you are saying that the Bible now contradicts PI and gravity???
* you don't understand my point, just take a look at this: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=366565&pagenumber=187 page 187, mine's the first post of the page... 🙂
The name Jesus Christ, where did it come from? What does it mean?
According to history the Roman Catholic Church changed the real Name of the Hebrew Messiah and replaced it with the name Jesus.
These are the same people that changed the Sabbath.
Do you know why?
Are you sure you want to pray to Jesus Christ?
http://www.yahweh.com/Newsletters/nl09-08.htm
Okieshowedem
Regardless of my thoughts on religion Jesus' name is fairly irrelevant to Christianity. Not to mention, many of those books cited are not generally recognized as canon and won't be taken seriously by most Christians.
On a side note, could you give a basic summary of the "evidence" shown there just to make it comprehensible and prove that you know what you're talking about rather than citing random conspiracy theories?
Originally posted by Okieshowedem
According to history the Roman Catholic Church changed the real Name of the Hebrew Messiah and replaced it with the name Jesus.
These are the same people that changed the Sabbath.
Do you know why?
Are you sure you want to pray to Jesus Christ?http://www.yahweh.com/Newsletters/nl09-08.htm
Okieshowedem