Jesus Christ

Are you one of those Islam Extremists? Do you support the Ayatollah and terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and Taliban? If you do, then I see no point why I should even converse with you.

or are you just making the very "hip" and "liberal" generalization going around these days that all religious people are selfrigtheous tw@ts and all muslims are terrorists and wife beaters? no disrespect, but right now you come across as more extremist than i do.

no dude, i'm no extremists. extremists don't talk to people of other religions and try to understand what they are saying. extremists don't come to thiests/atheists debates and say that atheists have better points than theists. and while we're at it, extremists don't roll on the floor laughing at god jokes.

as for terrorist groups, i see terrorism when 9/11 happened. i also saw terrorism when muslim women were banned from wearing the hijab in france. i saw terrorism when the taliban rolled into pakistan and hijacked a school and prevented them from teaching girls. i also saw terrorism when americans rolled into afghanistan and iraq under the guise of "liberation". i saw terrorism in Sadam Hussain. I also saw terrorism in George W. Bush. Al-Qaeda is a terrorist organization and an insult to islam, to muslims and human beings in general. Bush was an affront to democracy, freedom and humanity.

Do you feel it worth your while to converse with me now? 😂

~Sado

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Churh of God International? Is that Ang Dating Daan (The Old Path)?

* yup, that's right... nice to meet you here... i always see you here, didn't know you are my blood brother... 🙂

Originally posted by Sado22

Do you feel it worth your while to converse with me now? 😂

~Sado

Sorry, my bad.

I assumed you were an extremist from your previous statement.

BTW, I was a former Muslim (like I previously said). I have read all the Sunnah of the Koran, and I respect the beliefs and traditions that you guys uphold.
But I do not respect extremists who use religion to cause war and suffering. In my eyes, they are murderers. And people who support these kind of people are irrational and heartless people.

Sorry, my bad. I assumed you were an extremist from your previous statement.

BTW, I was a former Muslim (like I previously said). I have read all the Sunnah of the Koran, and I respect the beliefs and traditions that you guys uphold.
But I do not respect extremists who use religion to cause war and suffering. In my eyes, they are murderers. And people who support these kind of people are irrational and heartless people.

~Sado

It's a good thing that some Muslims are open-minded like you.

I've spoken with my past Muslim friends, and they reject me for denying Allah.

I tried to explain to them that I never rejected the idea of God. I am searching for Him, trying to find out if he does truly exist.
But all they do is spout out words full of hatred. They said I deserve to be beheaded for questioning His existence.

Until now, I haven't really seen any concrete proof towards the existence of God(s). This is why I remain a skeptic.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
They said I deserve to be beheaded for questioning His existence.

* no one deserves this...

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Until now, I haven't really seen any concrete proof towards the existence of God(s). This is why I remain a skeptic.

* how about the verse i gave? Psalms 19:1?

Originally posted by peejayd

* how about the verse i gave? Psalms 19:1?

Originally posted by peejayd

"[b]The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament showeth his handiwork."
Psalms 19:1

* no one can create the heavens and the firmament above us... it only shows that there is Someone much greater than us who created it... 🙂 [/B]

Mankind did not create the 'heavens', but that does not necessarily mean that it was created by God(s).

For all we know, the Earth and the 'heavens' could've been made by another lifeform.

Space is so vast that I am almost certain that we are not the only lifeforms that exist.

I've spoken with my past Muslim friends, and they reject me for denying Allah. I tried to explain to them that I never rejected the idea of God. I am searching for Him, trying to find out if he does truly exist.
But all they do is spout out words full of hatred. They said I deserve to be beheaded for questioning His existence.

Until now, I haven't really seen any concrete proof towards the existence of God(s). This is why I remain a skeptic.

~Sado

* let's have a healthy/friendly discussion... 🙂

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
It's only a verse from a book. We don't even know who wrote it.

* from the Bible, written by King David...

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
The 'heavens and the firmanent' is what we call the SKY.
It is just a reflection of the ocean.

Mankind did not create the 'heavens', but that does not necessarily mean that it was created by God(s).

* then it was created by Someone more powerful than humans... it's not that human DID NOT create the heavens/sky but human CANNOT create the heavens/sky...

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
For all we know, the Earth and the 'heavens' could've been made by another lifeform.

* "could have been"? then your faith would be based on another life form creating the heavens and earth... so believing in the God that created it, is also a valid argument... 🙂

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Space is so vast that I am almost certain that we are not the only lifeforms that exist.

* there are endless possibilities... i remember a verse written by Saint Paul:

"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Romans 8:35, 38-39

* but in the end, i still believe that the Earth is the only living planet, housing all living and rational creatures created by a powerful and intelligent Being...

Originally posted by Sado22
like wise. i think atheists actually have a better argument than theists because faith and belief are not only more openminded about things but try to step outside the box. in fact, they wouldn't be atheists if they weren't stepping outside the box. that's why i respect them more. at least they can think individually.

~Sado

* theists can't help it because they/we are duty-bound/honor-bound in a certain "faith"... and as the Bible/Saint Paul states, here is the Biblical definition of "faith":

"Now faith is assurance of things hoped for, a conviction of things not seen."
Hebrews 11:1

* any argument will be within a certain/specific box of their/our basis of faith... and for me, it's the Bible... 🙂

yeah i know but lotta times theists don't seem to understand that not everyone sees it from their prespective. that's what i'm against. to me what the quran says is truth but i never argue with an atheist saying god exists because the quran is his word. see what i mean?

* true... for me, there should be no argument if there's difference in basis... 🙂

did you see that thread where those christian evangelists were "scientifically" trying to prove god exists? that to me was the perfect representation of people refusing to see thngs from another prespective. Kirk Cameron said, and i shit you not, that god exists because he has already revealed himself through the bible and his on Jesus Christ.

now, i can understand where he's coming from but he TOTALLY missed the point of not only the scientific aspect of his argument but that not everyone is a christian so not everyone will agree with him when he says that god has revealed himself through jesus. see what i mean?

* yeah... nosebleed! 😛

Originally posted by peejayd
* let's have a healthy/friendly discussion... 🙂

* from the Bible, written by King David...

* then it was created by Someone more powerful than humans... it's not that human DID NOT create the heavens/sky but human CANNOT create the heavens/sky...

* "could have been"? then your faith would be based on another life form creating the heavens and earth... so believing in the God that created it, is also a valid argument... 🙂

* there are endless possibilities... i remember a verse written by Saint Paul:

"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,
Nor height, nor depth, nor [b]any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Romans 8:35, 38-39

* but in the end, i still believe that the Earth is the only living planet, housing all living and rational creatures created by a powerful and intelligent Being...

* theists can't help it because they/we are duty-bound/honor-bound in a certain "faith"... and as the Bible/Saint Paul states, here is the Biblical definition of "faith":

"Now faith is assurance of things hoped for, a conviction of things not seen."
Hebrews 11:1

* any argument will be within a certain/specific box of their/our basis of faith... and for me, it's the Bible... 🙂 [/B]

but what the bible says is factually untrue. you can BELEIVE it all you want but no matter how hard you try, facts will prove you wrong head on.

besides that, the bible is explicitly and indefensibly self contradictory. nothing true can be self contadictory.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
but what the bible says is factually untrue. you can BELEIVE it all you want but no matter how hard you try, facts will prove you wrong head on.

* facts like what? please give example/s...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
besides that, the bible is explicitly and indefensibly self contradictory. nothing true can be self contadictory.

* of course, there are contradictions in the Bible... words of Satan obviously contradicts the words of God in the Bible... but if it's the word of God, nope... there's no contradictions... 🙂

Originally posted by peejayd
* facts like what? please give example/s...

Like the Earth is much older then 6,000 years.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Like the Earth is much older then 6,000 years.

* which is... true or not?

Originally posted by peejayd
* which is... true or not?

Pretty much every sort of science that deals directly with the physical universe can prove that it's true.

* i don't think the Bible disagrees with that...

Originally posted by peejayd
* which is... true or not?

The Earth is at least 4.5 billion years old, and maybe older.