Jesus Christ

Originally posted by peejayd
* humans don't provide life, they procreate... if humans can provide life, there should not be barren/impotent humans...

Originally posted by peejayd
* that does not justify anything, angels or not, they really don't know them but they want to have sex with them... that's how evil they are...

Originally posted by King Kandy
Obviously this doesn't apply to every human. Not every human can procreate.

You were saying it like them being angels made it especially evil. The angels were beautiful so it is not surprising the people had lust for them. You make it sound like they should have somehow known they were angels and laid off because of it.

Of course you have to assume that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in the bible is real.

I say a program on the history channel that was about two city ruins that were recently uncovered. They think these could have been Sodom and Gomorrah, but they were destroyed by an army.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Obviously this doesn't apply to every human. Not every human can procreate.

* true, so your analogy that "people should be allowed to kill their children" is flat-out wrong...

Originally posted by King Kandy
You were saying it like them being angels made it especially evil. The angels were beautiful so it is not surprising the people had lust for them. You make it sound like they should have somehow known they were angels and laid off because of it.

* STILL, it does not justify anything, angels or not, they really don't know them but they want to have sex with them... that's how evil they are... 🙄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don’t need too.

* then why comment on that? it just makes you a hater...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, might makes right? That makes sense from a war god.

* don't question the authority of the Creator... unless you're an a$$hole... or if you don't acknowledge Him as your Creator, why talk about Him? makes no sense to you anyway...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I wish people like you would take a moment of your life and learn evolution. What you just said was incredibly stupid, and you don’t even realize it.

Monkeys are modern animals. Monkeys and Hominids evolved from a Lemur like animal that lived millions of years ago.

* what you said makes you really an idiot... animals do not have rational thinking like humans do... of course they have feelings, instincts, etc., but not rational thinking like humans... claiming humans came from animals is stupid... trying to study evolution is more stupid...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Good and evil are not absolutes. There are commonalities that reach across cultural lines, but that is because we are talking about humans. The idea of good and evil falls apart when you try to apply it to other animals.

* which means, humans never came from animals...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Is taking a human life good or evil?

* humans taking another human life is evil... it never applies to the Creator... suppose you created dolls, is destroying them make you wrong?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Buddhism does have mythology. As a matter of fact, Buddhism has a rich and diverse mythology. However, mythology is symbolic, and is used to tell stories that help convey Buddhist concepts.

* that makes you very biased... and a hypocrite...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I understand Christianity.

* you just think you understand Christianity...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
A god that wants is a god that needs, and a good that needs is not a god at all. A god that wants and needs is what we call a demigod.

* demigods never exists in Christianity... the God in the Bible has wants but no needs...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And where is this mythical hell?

* not yet, it would be after the judgment day...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Again there is nothing to be saved from. Adam and Eve and the original sin are mythology. They tell an important story, but to take them literally is to not get the point.

* original sin is really a myth and it is unBiblical... humans commit sin individually, not inherited... 😉

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Originally posted by peejayd
* true, so your analogy that "people should be allowed to kill their children" is flat-out wrong...

Originally posted by peejayd
* STILL, it does not justify anything, angels or not, they really don't know them but they want to have sex with them... that's how evil they are... 🙄

BTW you were disturbed by them wanting the angels but not at all at lot offering his daughters as a replacement? That is just as bad, probably worse. Since the angels at least could protect themselves.

Originally posted by peejayd
* then why comment on that? it just makes you a hater...

Is what I have to say so effective that you need to silence me?

Just because I don’t need to read something in the bible to understand your point does not mean I’m a hater.

Originally posted by peejayd
* don't question the authority of the Creator... unless you're an a$$hole... or if you don't acknowledge Him as your Creator, why talk about Him? makes no sense to you anyway...

My creator was my mother and father.

You just said:

Originally posted by peejayd
...* that's absurd... God provides life and He can take it away also...

In other words, god can take life because he is god. That is the same thing as might makes right. Also, I have already shown that the god of the OT was a war god.

Originally posted by peejayd
* what you said makes you really an idiot... animals do not have rational thinking like humans do...

Humans are animals.

Originally posted by peejayd
of course they have feelings, instincts, etc., but not rational thinking like humans... claiming humans came from animals is stupid... trying to study evolution is more stupid...

So, what you are saying is that a person who cannot think rationally, like a mentally handicapped person, is an animal and not human?

If a Chimpanzee is an animal and we are not, then why do we share 98% of our DNA in common with Chimpanzees?

Originally posted by peejayd
* which means, humans never came from animals...

What? The Christian idea of good and evil also falls apart when you apply it to all humans. Just think about the differences between Christianity and Islam, and how good and evil is applied in those cultures.

Originally posted by peejayd
* humans taking another human life is evil... it never applies to the Creator... suppose you created dolls, is destroying them make you wrong?

If the dolls I made were alive, then yes it would be evil of me to kill them.

Originally posted by peejayd
* that makes you very biased... and a hypocrite...

Just because I have the wisdom to realize that mythology is not literal, but symbolic, does not make me a hypocrite. You are making no sense at all.

Originally posted by peejayd
* you just think you understand Christianity...

I spent the first 20 some years of my life as a Christian. I think that gives me some insight.

Originally posted by peejayd
* demigods never exists in Christianity... the God in the Bible has wants but no needs...

Want = To be in need of; require:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/want

Originally posted by peejayd
* not yet, it would be after the judgment day...

There is no judgment day. It has been over 2000 year sense Jesus died. He is not returning.

Originally posted by peejayd
* original sin is really a myth and it is unBiblical... humans commit sin individually, not inherited... 😉

Eating the fruit from the forbidden tree was the sin I was talking about, and of course it is mythology.

Originally posted by King Kandy
...BTW you were disturbed by them wanting the angels but not at all at lot offering his daughters as a replacement? That is just as bad, probably worse. Since the angels at least could protect themselves.

But back in those days a daughter was considered to be property. Women simply didn't have any rights. It seems that their god had a problem homosexuality, but said nothing about the plight of women.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But back in those days a daughter was considered to be property. Women simply didn't have any rights. It seems that their god had a problem homosexuality, but said nothing about the plight of women.

Originally posted by King Kandy
God told Satan it was okay to hurt Job. Why did he do that? To test him? God already knew Job was faithful, so there was no reason at all to put him through all of that.

* i was surprised you didn't know why... considering you are on the negative side... the reason was God wants to prove to satan how righteous Job was, that even if he lose all his possessions, even his own health, Job will not leave his faith in God...

Originally posted by King Kandy
You could use that kind of logic to say that people should be allowed to kill their children...

* it's really funny how you - who is not in the shoes of Job, did not experience what he experienced - are whining like you are the one who was persecuted... well, that's alright because since Job was already proven to be faithful and upright, all he had to say because of his faith is this:

"And he said: Naked I came from my mother's womb, And naked shall I return there. The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away;
Blessed be the name of the Lord.
But he said to her, You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God, and shall we not accept adversity? In all this Job did not sin with his lips."
Job 1:21, 2:10

* if you are experiencing happiness in life, do you remember God? but when you experience tragedy, you blame it all at Him... pretty biased... 🙄

Originally posted by peejayd
* i was surprised you didn't know why... considering you are on the negative side... the reason was God wants to prove to satan how righteous Job was, that even if he lose all his possessions, even his own health, Job will not leave his faith in God...

* it's really funny how you - who is not in the shoes of Job, did not experience what he experienced - are whining like you are the one who was persecuted... well, that's alright because since Job was already proven to be faithful and upright, all he had to say because of his faith is this:

"And he said: Naked I came from my mother's womb, And naked shall I return there. [b]The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away;
Blessed be the name of the Lord.
But he said to her, You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God, and shall we not accept adversity? In all this Job did not sin with his lips."
Job 1:21, 2:10

* if you are experiencing happiness in life, do you remember God? but when you experience tragedy, you blame it all at Him... pretty biased... 🙄 [/B]

So, if you are happy, then you do not have strong faith in god? Also, if you are suffering, then you have strong faith in god?

Suffering only leads to more suffering, not "goodness".

Originally posted by peejayd
* i was surprised you didn't know why... considering you are on the negative side... the reason was God wants to prove to satan how righteous Job was, that even if he lose all his possessions, even his own health, Job will not leave his faith in God...

Originally posted by peejayd
* it's really funny how you - who is not in the shoes of Job, did not experience what he experienced - are whining like you are the one who was persecuted... well, that's alright because since Job was already proven to be faithful and upright, all he had to say because of his faith is this:

Originally posted by peejayd
"And he said: Naked I came from my mother's womb, And naked shall I return there. [b]The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away;
Blessed be the name of the Lord.
But he said to her, You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God, and shall we not accept adversity? In all this Job did not sin with his lips."
Job 1:21, 2:10[/B]

Originally posted by peejayd
* if you are experiencing happiness in life, do you remember God? but when you experience tragedy, you blame it all at Him... pretty biased... 🙄

Originally posted by King Kandy
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This is complete gibberish aimed at creating a perception of hypocrisy where none exists. I do not believe in god and so it is impossible that I should attribute anything to him, whether good or bad. So no, I do not "remember god" in happiness, and when I am in tragedy I do not blame it on him... for I do not believe he exists. This is an absolutely false accusation based on nothing but lies. It is a classic strawman argument.

Remember, many Christians can't understand what it means to not believe in god. To them, you worship god or satan. The idea that you do not worship at all, is outside their world. They think you have rejected god, but you have to first believe in a god to reject that god.

You reject the idea of a god (is that correct?), and that is something outside of their ability to understand.

This fellow seems to have above-average stupidity for christians on this forum as for pages and pages he has misinterpreted everything we have said without fail... or he is a wonderful troll.

Originally posted by King Kandy
This fellow seems to have above-average stupidity for christians on this forum as for pages and pages he has misinterpreted everything we have said without fail... or he is a wonderful troll.

He is not stupid. That is were you are failing. He refuses to see the option of "no god". He has danced the jig that he has too. That is why his beliefs are a delusion. He refuses to see your point because he has too much to loose. He is the one in the cage.

Now, I know that looks stupid to you, but there is a difference between stupidity and delusion.

There is certainly a degree of willful ignorance in play here. Especially when leonheartmm said there were "contradictions in the bible" and he tried to pretend the difference was in the words coming from satan versus those from god, when it was clear leo was talking about the text itself and not the dialogue between characters.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, if you are happy, then you do not have strong faith in god? Also, if you are suffering, then you have strong faith in god?

* that's not my point... people tend to forget God when they are living luxuriously... but when tragedy came, they go and blame it all on God...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Suffering only leads to more suffering, not "goodness".

* suffering does not mean it's eternal... ever heard of rags to riches? 🙄

Originally posted by King Kandy
So now you have changed your excuse to God allowing the torture of someone in order to win a bet... you are digging yourself deeper and deeper with each new explanation.

* it's pretty obvious how you twist the conversation... it is not my excuse but it is what was written in the book of Job... i quoted you saying why would God test Job if He already knew Job was faithful... and i just answered your question according to what was written in the book of Job (Job 1:8-12)...

Originally posted by King Kandy
What bizarre logic is this supposed to be? I did not experience a nazi concentration camp either, but I can say without fear of contradiction that it was a horrifying experience. In this case I do not need to speculate on the horrors Job went through since the bible tells us exactly what god allowed to happen to him.

* the Bible also tells you how good Job is and how he remains faithful to God... what's funny is that you did not see it in Job's perspective, but in your own twisted way...

Originally posted by King Kandy
Likewise, you could use this sort of logic to say parents have the right to kill their children... if your creation is alive then it is murder to destroy them plain and simple.

* it is you who would use that twisted logic because you don't believe in God... you only believe that parents create their children, not created by God... humans procreate, but do not create... my argument still stands that if humans can create, then there should be no barren/sterile/impotent people in the world...

Originally posted by King Kandy
This is complete gibberish aimed at creating a perception of hypocrisy where none exists. I do not believe in god and so it is impossible that I should attribute anything to him, whether good or bad. So no, I do not "remember god" in happiness, and when I am in tragedy I do not blame it on him... for I do not believe he exists. This is an absolutely false accusation based on nothing but lies. It is a classic strawman argument.

* then arguing with someone who believes in God makes you a complete nutcase... there should be no point of argument... i'm continuing this conversation to defend the Bible which i believe... however, you don't, you bash the Bible and when you're grasping ropes, you pull the string -> "hey, i do not believe in God!"-tagline to clear yourself from the mess you've made... now, that's trolling... 🙄

Originally posted by King Kandy
This fellow seems to have above-average stupidity for christians on this forum as for pages and pages he has misinterpreted everything we have said without fail... or he is a wonderful troll.

* i misinterpreted? no, i completely understand where you're coming from... you're a Bible-basher but in the end, you're just a person with minimal knowledge in the Bible, picking on certain plots in it to make yourself look like an intelligent debater... you say hypocrisy? tell it to your face, man... your "i'll-be-athiest-coz-i-feel-smart-that-way" attitude does not pave way to any argument, really...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
He is not stupid. That is were you are failing.

* thank you... 🙂

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
He refuses to see the option of "no god". He has danced the jig that he has too.

* no... the reason why i was arguing about this matter is because i'm defending the Bible from a basher... quite simply put, the topic is about his atheism, i would rather shut the heck up because there's no point of argument...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is why his beliefs are a delusion. He refuses to see your point because he has too much to loose. He is the one in the cage.

* believing in God does not mean you're in a cage... it's a matter of choosing what you believe... this may sound off-balance but the truth is, as a person, i respect all your opinions... but bash my belief, i will defend it... that does not mean i'm living in a world of delusion... and there's a big difference between believing there's no God and refusing to believe there's God...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Now, I know that looks stupid to you, but there is a difference between stupidity and delusion.

* pretty biased again... something that looks stupid to someone does not mean it's wrong... it's kinda hard to explain but i know you get my point... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* that's not my point... people tend to forget God when they are living luxuriously... but when tragedy came, they go and blame it all on God...

You are correct, that is typical of Christians and other religions that have a deity. People like to deflect blame away from them selves. That is why Buddhism teaches you to take responsibility for all things in your life.

Originally posted by peejayd
* suffering does not mean it's eternal... ever heard of rags to riches? 🙄

I was only talking of the moment. Suffering is not eternal.

Originally posted by peejayd
* thank you... 🙂

You are welcome.

Originally posted by peejayd
* no... the reason why i was arguing about this matter is because i'm defending the Bible from a basher... quite simply put, the topic is about his atheism, i would rather shut the heck up because there's no point of argument...

I think the bible is big enough to take a little bashing. If your beliefs are strong, and they are based upon solid evidence, then you do not have to defend them.

Originally posted by peejayd
* believing in God does not mean you're in a cage... it's a matter of choosing what you believe... this may sound off-balance but the truth is, as a person, i respect all your opinions... but bash my belief, i will defend it... that does not mean i'm living in a world of delusion... and there's a big difference between believing there's no God and refusing to believe there's God...

So in other words King Kandy is "refusing to believe there's God"?
I love how you start out by saying that I am wrong, and then go and prove that I am right.

Originally posted by peejayd
* pretty biased again... something that looks stupid to someone does not mean it's wrong... it's kinda hard to explain but i know you get my point... 😉

I don’t think you got my point. People need to be less dismissive and more thoughtful when judging the actions of other people.

Originally posted by peejayd
* that's not my point... people tend to forget God when they are living luxuriously... but when tragedy came, they go and blame it all on God...

Originally posted by peejayd
* suffering does not mean it's eternal... ever heard of rags to riches? 🙄

Originally posted by peejayd
* it's pretty obvious how you twist the conversation... it is not my excuse but it is what was written in the book of Job... i quoted you saying why would God test Job if He already knew Job was faithful... and i just answered your question according to what was written in the book of Job (Job 1:8-12)...

Originally posted by peejayd
* the Bible also tells you how good Job is and how he remains faithful to God... what's funny is that you did not see it in Job's perspective, but in your own twisted way...

Originally posted by peejayd
* it is you who would use that twisted logic because you don't believe in God... you only believe that parents create their children, not created by God... humans procreate, but do not create... my argument still stands that if humans can create, then there should be no barren/sterile/impotent people in the world...

Originally posted by peejayd
* then arguing with someone who believes in God makes you a complete nutcase... there should be no point of argument... i'm continuing this conversation to defend the Bible which i believe... however, you don't, you bash the Bible and when you're grasping ropes, you pull the string -> "hey, i do not believe in God!"-tagline to clear yourself from the mess you've made... now, that's trolling... 🙄

Originally posted by peejayd
* i misinterpreted? no, i completely understand where you're coming from... you're a Bible-basher but in the end, you're just a person with minimal knowledge in the Bible, picking on certain plots in it to make yourself look like an intelligent debater... you say hypocrisy? tell it to your face, man... your "i'll-be-athiest-coz-i-feel-smart-that-way" attitude does not pave way to any argument, really...

Originally posted by peejayd
* no... the reason why i was arguing about this matter is because i'm defending the Bible from a basher... quite simply put, the topic is about his atheism, i would rather shut the heck up because there's no point of argument...

Originally posted by peejayd
* believing in God does not mean you're in a cage... it's a matter of choosing what you believe... this may sound off-balance but the truth is, as a person, i respect all your opinions... but bash my belief, i will defend it... that does not mean i'm living in a world of delusion... and there's a big difference between believing there's no God and refusing to believe there's God...

Originally posted by peejayd
* pretty biased again... something that looks stupid to someone does not mean it's wrong... it's kinda hard to explain but i know you get my point... 😉

Originally posted by King Kandy
...Yes, on the other hand something that IS stupid is wrong. For instance you telling me I believed in god when bad things happened... you could not find a more clear falsehood in the whole of the thread.

Are you sure he was not speaking in generalities?