Jesus Christ

Started by King Kandy208 pages

I see where he's going with this. He's trying to get us to admit that there's a difference in perspective, so that he can break away into another "you have your opinions, I have mine, they're equally valid" tangent.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Are you sure he was not speaking in generalities?

* yes, that particular post was in general...

Originally posted by King Kandy
So you admit that it was done as a bet with satan... allowing the torture of a helpless person for the purpose of a bet is not moral at all. The bible teaches that horrible things like this are moral.

* it's really funny how you generalized the Bible like that and completely ignored the majority that teaches love and goodness...

Originally posted by King Kandy
Sterile people have no children, so obviously parents killing their children does not apply there either. But it is known that the creation of life is by the sperm and egg cells from the uniting of men and women... this is a proven fact to the production of humanity, at no point is there any stage that is not proven to come from the parents.

* fail... you cannot refute the fact that if humans have the power to create its own offspring, there should be no sterile/impotent/barren people in existence...

Originally posted by King Kandy
I have minimal knowledge of the bible how? I have testified that God allowed the torture of Job at satans behest and you ultimately confirmed that to be true... so in terms of biblical knowledge I have actually been 100% right about every thing I have claimed in this thread.

* you just think you're right and you apply your own twisted perspective to conclude that the Bible teaches horrible things completely ignoring the goodness therein...

Originally posted by King Kandy
And I suppose it is your wish to cancel the argument, that's why you have spent far, far more posts in this thread than I have. You argued for pages before I even showed up and only recently have I entered the discussion, so it is a complete falsehood to say I am the one who initiated the discussion.

* i never said you initiated the discussion... all i'm saying is i'm just defending my belief, and if this is a thread about atheism, rest assured that i would not be here for there is no point of discussion...

Originally posted by King Kandy
There is a difference but there is nobody in this thread who would refuse to believe in god if he were proven to exist... even you admit that you cannot prove god exists and so in no way have I refused to believe... I do not believe because I see no reason why I should.

* fair enough, though it would be irrelevant for me to prove anything to you...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are correct, that is typical of Christians and other religions that have a deity. People like to deflect blame away from them selves. That is why Buddhism teaches you to take responsibility for all things in your life.

* Buddhism is a religion that also has a deity...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So in other words King Kandy is "refusing to believe there's God"?

* whatever... he's an atheist... and he already answered it...

Originally posted by King Kandy
I see where he's going with this. He's trying to get us to admit that there's a difference in perspective, so that he can break away into another "you have your opinions, I have mine, they're equally valid" tangent.

* that's the way it is... unless you want to force your opinion as infallible... 🙄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I think the bible is big enough to take a little bashing. If your beliefs are strong, and they are based upon solid evidence, then you do not have to defend them.

* bashers' ego is bigger than the Bible... anyway, maybe i should take your advice and go to other threads because the Bible needs not to be defended... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* it's really funny how you generalized the Bible like that and completely ignored the majority that teaches love and goodness...

You are the one who said there is no contradiction in the bible. If you admit that the majority teaches love, then you are saying there is a minority that teaches hatred. So there is a contradiction in the message of the bible.

Originally posted by peejayd
* fail... you cannot refute the fact that if humans have the power to create its own offspring, there should be no sterile/impotent/barren people in existence...

This logic is completely baffling... obviously only humans who have the power have the power.

Some humans have the power to recite pi to 100 digits... some cannot.
Some humans have the power to throw baseballs at 90 mph... some cannot.
Some humans have the power to see... some cannot.
Some humans have the power to hear... some cannot.
Some humans have the power speak... some cannot.
Some humans have the power to create offspring... some cannot.

And so you see the fact that some humans cannot do something in no way invalidates the ability of others to do something... the logic you have been using is nonsense.

Originally posted by peejayd
* you just think you're right and you apply your own twisted perspective to conclude that the Bible teaches horrible things completely ignoring the goodness therein...

Fortunately I do not have to twist anything as you have already admitted I was correct in everything I said about Job. If there are things that teach good and things that teach evil in god's word, than god is not all-loving as there is deep hatred within him.

Originally posted by peejayd
* i never said you initiated the discussion... all i'm saying is i'm just defending my belief, and if this is a thread about atheism, rest assured that i would not be here for there is no point of discussion...
why i was arguing about this matter is because i'm defending the Bible from a basher

The basher is supposed to be me as we see in other statements in the thread, and yet you were arguing earlier than I on this topic and so this statement has been revealed as a falsehood.

Originally posted by peejayd
* fair enough, though it would be irrelevant for me to prove anything to you...

You said I was refusing to believe in god, implying there was an actual reason to do so, but now you admit there was no evidence in factual reality. Therefore this statement was exposed as being nothing but trying to backtrack away from erroneous statements designed to make me look bad.

Originally posted by peejayd
* that's the way it is... unless you want to force your opinion as infallible... 🙄

We are not both right. The bible is literal truth or it is not. The truth of this can be determined through logic.

Originally posted by peejayd
* bashers' ego is bigger than the Bible... anyway, maybe i should take your advice and go to other threads because the Bible needs not to be defended... 😉

My ego is bigger? What about your ego when you told me I had inferior understanding? Or when you said I was refusing to believe in god? Or when you said I believed in times of tragedy?

Originally posted by King Kandy
You are the one who said there is no contradiction in the bible. If you admit that the majority teaches love, then you are saying there is a minority that teaches hatred. So there is a contradiction in the message of the bible.

* there's no contradiction to those who believe and understand the Bible...

Originally posted by King Kandy
If you admit that the majority teaches love, then you are saying there is a minority that teaches hatred.

* the Bible teaches love... it will be otherwise if you twist the Scriptures and misinterpret it...

Originally posted by King Kandy
This logic is completely baffling... obviously only humans who have the power have the power.

Some humans have the power to recite pi to 100 digits... some cannot.
Some humans have the power to throw baseballs at 90 mph... some cannot.
Some humans have the power to see... some cannot.
Some humans have the power to hear... some cannot.
Some humans have the power speak... some cannot.
Some humans have the power to create offspring... some cannot.

And so you see the fact that some humans cannot do something in no way invalidates the ability of others to do something... the logic you have been using is nonsense.

* that's nonsense... humans can reproduce/propagate/procreate... but you are using the term "create" which is inappropriate... saying that you have the capability to create is implying absoluteness of the matter...

Originally posted by King Kandy
Fortunately I do not have to twist anything as you have already admitted I was correct in everything I said about Job. If there are things that teach good and things that teach evil in god's word, than god is not all-loving as there is deep hatred within him.

"We are conscious that the law is good, if a man makes a right use of it,"
I Timothy 1:8

Originally posted by King Kandy
The basher is supposed to be me as we see in other statements in the thread, and yet you were arguing earlier than I on this topic and so this statement has been revealed as a falsehood.

* yeah, you come out sporadically just to bash, right? 🙄

Originally posted by King Kandy
You said I was refusing to believe in god, implying there was an actual reason to do so, but now you admit there was no evidence in factual reality. Therefore this statement was exposed as being nothing but trying to backtrack away from erroneous statements designed to make me look bad.

* make you look bad? to whom? that's one of the most idiotic/dramatic posts i've ever read... haven't you realized that this "Religion Forum" is not dominated by people who believe in God? heck, atheists got more respect in this forum... now, you tell me i'm making you look bad? give me freakin' break... 🙄

Originally posted by King Kandy
We are not both right. The bible is literal truth or it is not. The truth of this can be determined through logic.

* the Bible is not literal as a whole...

Originally posted by King Kandy
My ego is bigger? What about your ego when you told me I had inferior understanding? Or when you said I was refusing to believe in god? Or when you said I believed in times of tragedy?

* i never said you had inferior understanding (unless you are proving it right now)... i said you bash the Bible but you only have minimal knowledge of it... there's a big difference... for example, i have minimal knowledge in math, but i have more knowledge in other fields... i specified the Bible, i did not said it in general... and i don't get how it boosts my ego if you refuse to believe in God or what have you... <sigh> 😐

Originally posted by peejayd
* yes, that particular post was in general...

Do you see why King Kandy get offended?

[QUOTE=12202242]Originally posted by peejayd
[B] * Buddhism is a religion that also has a deity...

Some forms of Buddhism believe that Buddha was divine. It is human nature to deify their human founder. However, Buddha was just a man like you and I.

Originally posted by peejayd
* whatever... he's an atheist... and he already answered it...

So, because he’s an atheist, that puts him below you?

Originally posted by peejayd
* bashers' ego is bigger than the Bible... anyway, maybe i should take your advice and go to other threads because the Bible needs not to be defended... 😉

I was simply trying to minimize your suffering.

Originally posted by peejayd
* there's no contradiction to those who believe and understand the Bible...

You are just in a state of denial now... if you can explain to me how torturing a good person to win a bet is a good thing, then maybe you would have a point.

Originally posted by peejayd
* the Bible teaches love... it will be otherwise if you twist the Scriptures and misinterpret it...

Please oh great teacher, tell me the correct interpretation under which torturing a person who did nothing wrong is good thing.

Originally posted by peejayd
* that's nonsense... humans can reproduce/propagate/procreate... but you are using the term "create" which is inappropriate... saying that you have the capability to create is implying absoluteness of the matter...

No, not really. The ability to create a human is no more absolute than the ability to see/smell/hear. All things that most can do but there are a small portion who cannot. Just like most humans can procreate/create, but there is a small portion who cannot.

Originally posted by peejayd
"We are conscious that the law is good, if a man makes a right use of it,"
I Timothy 1:8

All this tells me is that if pretend hard enough that the bible teaches good morals, it will seem that way to you. If you have deluded yourself into thinking torture is not only defensible but actually a good thing, there's no hope here.

Originally posted by peejayd
* yeah, you come out sporadically just to bash, right? 🙄

I don't know what this is even supposed to mean. You said you were arguing because of my bashing, and I proved that was wrong since you were the first one to argue. That's the end of the issue.

Originally posted by peejayd
* make you look bad? to whom? that's one of the most idiotic/dramatic posts i've ever read... haven't you realized that this "Religion Forum" is not dominated by people who believe in God? heck, atheists got more respect in this forum... now, you tell me i'm making you look bad? give me freakin' break... 🙄

You TRIED to make me look bad, but you did not succeed, because people here have the brains to see your allegations of:

Me blaming god for bad things
Me refusing to believe in god
Me having minimal understanding, refusing to see, intentionally misinterpreting etc.

Were all false. Sorry. It takes more than empty accusations to reduce my credibility on this issue.

Originally posted by peejayd
* the Bible is not literal as a whole...

I certainly hope not, or else god was worse than the nazis by far. But what isn't literal? You already said you believed in literal creationism, you've taken all the history as being true, what is it that's not literal? Revelation?

Originally posted by peejayd
* i never said you had inferior understanding (unless you are proving it right now)... i said you bash the Bible but you only have minimal knowledge of it... there's a big difference... for example, i have minimal knowledge in math, but i have more knowledge in other fields... i specified the Bible, i did not said it in general... and i don't get how it boosts my ego if you refuse to believe in God or what have you... <sigh> 😐

It should not have taken a genius to see what I meant there was saying I had inferior understanding of the bible. It boosts your ego to say I refuse to believe in god because then you can pretend that you proved something, and that I just rejected it because I was to blind to see. I'm sure shaky can confirm this is how that statement about me refusing was meant to be taken.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Do you see why King Kandy get offended?

* oh... does that mean if you agree with a person, you now care if he is offended? funny, i never felt anyone is concerned if i'm offended... 😐

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Some forms of Buddhism believe that Buddha was divine. It is human nature to deify their human founder. However, Buddha was just a man like you and I.

* then do tell what is true in Buddhism? do tell that in the official doctrine of Buddhism that Buddha is not a deity or not... prove it...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, because he’s an atheist, that puts him below you?

* now this ^ is a post that makes me look bad... never did i imply that any atheist is below me... i'm telling you guys that i respect your opinions and i'm just defending my belief... nothing personal here... remember what i told you before, the Bible teaches people not to be partial, and to be fair... the God in the Bible is the savior of both believers and non-believers... never will i ever say that an atheist is inferior to me... you're just saying this because you all know that i am a Christian and you want me to look bad...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I was simply trying to minimize your suffering.

* well, i'm not...

Originally posted by King Kandy
You are just in a state of denial now... if you can explain to me how torturing a good person to win a bet is a good thing, then maybe you would have a point.

* it's not God who tortured Job...

Originally posted by King Kandy
Please oh great teacher, tell me the correct interpretation under which torturing a person who did nothing wrong is good thing.

* a pathetic attempt to bash the Bible... you still cling on something you don't even understand... and you completely ignore this:

"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
Matthew 22:36-39

"Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith."
Galatians 6:10

* of course you ignored this, right? because the Bible teaches evil in your opinion, right? 🙄

Originally posted by King Kandy
All this tells me is that if pretend hard enough that the bible teaches good morals, it will seem that way to you.

* only proves your minimal knowledge in the Bible...

Originally posted by King Kandy
I don't know what this is even supposed to mean. You said you were arguing because of my bashing, and I proved that was wrong since you were the first one to argue. That's the end of the issue.

* you're not the only one i reply to...

Originally posted by King Kandy
You TRIED to make me look bad, but you did not succeed, because people here have the brains to see your allegations of:

Me blaming god for bad things
Me refusing to believe in god
Me having minimal understanding, refusing to see, intentionally misinterpreting etc.

Were all false. Sorry. It takes more than empty accusations to reduce my credibility on this issue.

* it's not my fault if you think you are the only one whom i'm pertaining to... people here? this forum is dominated by people who do not believe in Christianity... it's not a surprise i would be put in the bad light... quit that drama, man, no one's picking on you... it's nothing personal...

Originally posted by King Kandy
I certainly hope not, or else god was worse than the nazis by far. But what isn't literal? You already said you believed in literal creationism, you've taken all the history as being true, what is it that's not literal? Revelation?

* in Christianity, people who have Holy Spirit is able to discern the words of God in the Bible if it's literal or spiritual... and yes, the book of Revelation is full of symbolism and not to be taken literally in its entirety...

Originally posted by King Kandy
It should not have taken a genius to see what I meant there was saying I had inferior understanding of the bible.

* you are just proving it by saying the Bible in its entirety is teaching hatred...

Originally posted by King Kandy
It boosts your ego to say I refuse to believe in god because then you can pretend that you proved something, and that I just rejected it because I was to blind to see.

* then you are just making that up... all i'm saying is that there are people who believe there's no God and there are people who knows there's God but refuses to believe, that's why there are agnostics, right? now, if you're really an atheist, why bother to argue about the Bible? it's irrelevant... it's safe to say that you're just a basher...

Originally posted by King Kandy
I'm sure shaky can confirm this is how that statement about me refusing was meant to be taken.

* of course, you two care for each other, it's obvious... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* oh... does that mean if you agree with a person, you now care if he is offended? funny, i never felt anyone is concerned if i'm offended... 😐

That's because you have said things that were much more offensive than anything atheists said in this thread.

Originally posted by peejayd
* then do tell what is true in Buddhism? do tell that in the official doctrine of Buddhism that Buddha is not a deity or not... prove it...

This does nothing but show your ignorance of buddhism... I am not even buddhist and I know that buddha was a man named siddhartha gautama... a man, not a god.

Originally posted by peejayd
* now this ^ is a post that makes me look bad... never did i imply that any atheist is below me... i'm telling you guys that i respect your opinions and i'm just defending my belief... nothing personal here... remember what i told you before, the Bible teaches people not to be partial, and to be fair... the God in the Bible is the savior of both believers and non-believers... never will i ever say that an atheist is inferior to me... you're just saying this because you all know that i am a Christian and you want me to look bad...

We have not said anything that was designed to pretend you were more ignorant than you really were... all ignorance is genuine and can be backed up by quotes unlike you who makes up things like how I blame god for bad things.

Originally posted by peejayd
* it's not God who tortured Job...

I thought you would know that I understood this by now since I said that god "allowed satan to torture job" in 90% of my posts. I was tired of writing that line all the time so I shortened it and figured you would understand because I had already made it clear many times.

Little did I know you were more concerned with picking at my shorthand than actually discussing the issue.

Originally posted by peejayd
* a pathetic attempt to bash the Bible... you still cling on something you don't even understand... and you completely ignore this:

"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said to him, [b]You shall love the Lord your God
with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
Matthew 22:36-39

"Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith."
Galatians 6:10
[/B]


Of course I knew that the bible taught love as well. This was my point all along, as god teaches love but does hateful acts. Thus the bible contradicts itself.

Originally posted by peejayd
* of course you ignored this, right? because the Bible teaches evil in your opinion, right? 🙄

😆 I have ignored nothing. God speaks good words and does evil acts... he is all talk in the bible as he will tell you to do good to all, but will murder the wicked. He will tell you to love everyone but meanwhile he will allow the torture of his most loyal followers.

Originally posted by peejayd
* only proves your minimal knowledge in the Bible...

How about you spend less time insulting my knowledge and spend more telling me why i'm wrong? All I hear now is insults because you could not refute my points.

Originally posted by peejayd
* you're not the only one i reply to...

At the time you said that, yes me and shaky were the only ones you were replying too.

Originally posted by peejayd
* it's not my fault if you think you are the only one whom i'm pertaining to... people here? this forum is dominated by people who do not believe in Christianity... it's not a surprise i would be put in the bad light... quit that drama, man, no one's picking on you... it's nothing personal...

Either you were pertaining to me/shaky, thus trying to make us look bad, or you were talking about people not involved in the thread, thus it was irrelevant and should not have been brought up.

Originally posted by peejayd
* in Christianity, people who have Holy Spirit is able to discern the words of God in the Bible if it's literal or spiritual... and yes, the book of Revelation is full of symbolism and not to be taken literally in its entirety...

This is nothing more than a cop out to try and prevent logic from being applied to the bible and restricting the conversation to christians alone... if you do not believe atheists can have insight into the bible than you cannot change my mind as I do not have the insight you do.

Originally posted by peejayd
* you are just proving it by saying the Bible in its entirety is teaching hatred...

I said that certain actions of god teach hatred... I never said that every single message in the entirety of the bible teaches hatred, don't put words in my mouth.

Originally posted by peejayd
* then you are just making that up... all i'm saying is that there are people who believe there's no God and there are people who knows there's God but refuses to believe, that's why there are agnostics, right? now, if you're really an atheist, why bother to argue about the Bible? it's irrelevant... it's safe to say that you're just a basher...

Show me EVEN ONE PERSON in the thread who "knows there's a God but refuses to believe". You can't because that was nothing more than garbage aimed at making us seem like people who had been shown proof and rejected it when nothing of the sort occurred.

Originally posted by peejayd
* of course, you two care for each other, it's obvious... 😉

I guess if "care for each other" means "agree" then yes I guess that could be true.

Also I see you have dropped the argument about sterile humans which is good because you were clearly losing that on every level.

Originally posted by King Kandy
That's because you have said things that were much more offensive than anything atheists said in this thread.

* offensive to you perhaps but not offensive to others... but it was never my intention...

Originally posted by King Kandy
This does nothing but show your ignorance of buddhism... I am not even buddhist and I know that buddha was a man named siddhartha gautama... a man, not a god.

* <sigh> of course Siddharta Gautama is a human... i was telling him to prove to me what was in the official doctrine of Buddhism the nature of Buddha/Gautama because even he, admits there are Buddhists who worships Buddha and treats him like a god/deity...

Originally posted by King Kandy
We have not said anything that was designed to pretend you were more ignorant than you really were... all ignorance is genuine and can be backed up by quotes unlike you who makes up things like how I blame god for bad things.

* care to find that post? i never aimed it at you... it was a general statement and it was based on experience here in my country...

Originally posted by King Kandy
I thought you would know that I understood this by now since I said that god "allowed satan to torture job" in 90% of my posts. I was tired of writing that line all the time so I shortened it and figured you would understand because I had already made it clear many times.

* spirituality... eventhough Job's physical body was "tortured", his spirit is so strong... and God blessed and rewarded Job after that... fair enough?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Of course I knew that the bible taught love as well.

* you're saying because i already gave verses...

Originally posted by King Kandy
This was my point all along, as god teaches love but does hateful acts. Thus the bible contradicts itself.

* God in the Bible is fair... are trying to say that God should not interfere with His creation?

Originally posted by King Kandy
😆 I have ignored nothing. God speaks good words and does evil acts... he is all talk in the bible as he will tell you to do good to all, but will murder the wicked. He will tell you to love everyone but meanwhile he will allow the torture of his most loyal followers.

* what do you want God to do with the wicked? nothing? let them loose? the way i see it, you seem to be more sympathetic to wicked persons...

Originally posted by King Kandy
Either you were pertaining to me/shaky, thus trying to make us look bad, or you were talking about people not involved in the thread, thus it was irrelevant and should not have been brought up.

* where does this "trying-to-make-me-look-bad" issue came from? but from the very start, you are making God and the Bible look awfully bad...

Originally posted by King Kandy
This is nothing more than a cop out to try and prevent logic from being applied to the bible and restricting the conversation to christians alone... if you do not believe atheists can have insight into the bible than you cannot change my mind as I do not have the insight you do.

* that's why i say "in Christianity"... of course i know you will react like that... because you don't give a d@mn about it... of course, everyone is free from giving insights to the Bible but look at your perspective? do you think a Christian would believe you? quite simply put, you bash the Bible, i will defend it... but i will never force anyone to believe what i believe...

Originally posted by King Kandy
I said that certain actions of god teach hatred... I never said that every single message in the entirety of the bible teaches hatred, don't put words in my mouth.

* ever read your own posts? you imply it most of the time...

Originally posted by King Kandy
Also I see you have dropped the argument about sterile humans which is good because you were clearly losing that on every level.

* because it was pointless... it would only create a circular fallacy... my point is, humans reproduce... but in the beginning, humans are still a creation of higher being who is God... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* oh... does that mean if you agree with a person, you now care if he is offended? funny, i never felt anyone is concerned if i'm offended... 😐

Then you have not been looking.

Originally posted by peejayd
* then do tell what is true in Buddhism? do tell that in the official doctrine of Buddhism that Buddha is not a deity or not... prove it...

“not a deity or not” I’m sorry but I did not understand this part. It sounds like a double negative.

Originally posted by peejayd
* now this ^ is a post that makes me look bad... never did i imply that any atheist is below me... i'm telling you guys that i respect your opinions and i'm just defending my belief... nothing personal here... remember what i told you before, the Bible teaches people not to be partial, and to be fair... the God in the Bible is the savior of both believers and non-believers... never will i ever say that an atheist is inferior to me... you're just saying this because you all know that i am a Christian and you want me to look bad...

“* whatever... he's an atheist... and he already answered it... “ sounded arrogant to me. I could have misread it.

Originally posted by peejayd
* well, i'm not...

Are you so sure? “* oh... does that mean if you agree with a person, you now care if he is offended? funny, i never felt anyone is concerned if i'm offended... 😐 “ sounds like suffering to me.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then you have not been looking.

😐

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
“not a deity or not” I’m sorry but I did not understand this part. It sounds like a double negative.

* my bad... but you know what i mean... do tell in the official doctrine of Buddhism if Buddha is a deity or not...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
“* whatever... he's an atheist... and he already answered it... “ sounded arrogant to me. I could have misread it.

* i'm not pertaining to anyone in particular... all i'm saying is the diversity of belief in people...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Are you so sure? “* oh... does that mean if you agree with a person, you now care if he is offended? funny, i never felt anyone is concerned if i'm offended... 😐 “ sounds like suffering to me.

* too shallow to considered "suffering"... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
😐

Maybe you are not looking in the right place.

Originally posted by peejayd
* my bad... but you know what i mean... do tell in the official doctrine of Buddhism if Buddha is a deity or not...

Buddha (Skt, Pali; Jpn hotoke or butsu )
One enlightened to the eternal and ultimate truth that is the reality of all things, and who leads others to attain the same enlightenment. Buddha was originally a common word meaning awakened one or enlightened one, referring to those who attained any kind of religious awakening. In Buddhism, it refers to one who has become awakened to the ultimate truth of all things and phenomena. In this context, the term Buddha at first was applied exclusively to Shakyamuni. Later, however, with the development of Buddha as an ideal, numerous Buddhas appeared in Mahayana scriptures. These include such Buddhas as Amida and Medicine Master. Expressions such tences" communicate the idea that Buddhas, or the potential for enlightenment they represent, pervade the universe and are eternally present.Various definitions of Buddha are set forth in Buddhist teachings. In Hinayana teachings, it means one who has entered the state of nirvana, in which both body and mind are extinguished. Mahayana teachings generally maintain that one becomes a Buddha only after innumerable kalpas of austere and meritorious practices, by eradicating illusions and earthly desires and acquiring the thirty-two features of a Buddha. The Lotus Sutra views Buddha as one who manifests the three virtues of sovereign, teacher, and parent, who is enlightened to the true aspect of all phenomena, and who teaches it to people to save them from suffering. Phi-losophy based on the Lotus Sutra, including that of T'ient'ai and Nichiren who regarded the sutra as Shakyamuni's most profound teaching, recognizes the potential of every person to become a Buddha.

http://www.sgilibrary.org/search_dict.php?id=197

Originally posted by peejayd
* i'm not pertaining to anyone in particular... all i'm saying is the diversity of belief in people...

You are failing to communicate that.

Originally posted by peejayd
* too shallow to considered "suffering"... 😉

Are you asking me a question?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Buddha (Skt, Pali; Jpn hotoke or butsu )
One enlightened to the eternal and ultimate truth that is the reality of all things, and who leads others to attain the same enlightenment. Buddha was originally a common word meaning awakened one or enlightened one, referring to those who attained any kind of religious awakening. In Buddhism, it refers to one who has become awakened to the ultimate truth of all things and phenomena. In this context, the term Buddha at first was applied exclusively to Shakyamuni. Later, however, with the development of Buddha as an ideal, numerous Buddhas appeared in Mahayana scriptures. These include such Buddhas as Amida and Medicine Master. Expressions such tences" communicate the idea that Buddhas, or the potential for enlightenment they represent, pervade the universe and are eternally present.Various definitions of Buddha are set forth in Buddhist teachings. In Hinayana teachings, it means one who has entered the state of nirvana, in which both body and mind are extinguished. Mahayana teachings generally maintain that one becomes a Buddha only after innumerable kalpas of austere and meritorious practices, by eradicating illusions and earthly desires and acquiring the thirty-two features of a Buddha. The Lotus Sutra views Buddha as one who manifests the three virtues of sovereign, teacher, and parent, who is enlightened to the true aspect of all phenomena, and who teaches it to people to save them from suffering. Phi-losophy based on the Lotus Sutra, including that of T'ient'ai and Nichiren who regarded the sutra as Shakyamuni's most profound teaching, recognizes the potential of every person to become a Buddha.

http://www.sgilibrary.org/search_dict.php?id=197

* if Buddha is not a god... why are some Buddhists worship him and treat him like he is one? 🙄

Originally posted by peejayd
* if Buddha is not a god... why are some Buddhists worship him and treat him like he is one? 🙄

This is absolutely THE dumbest point I have heard out of you.

If Jesus existed... why do some people think he didn't?

What some people think in no way has an effect on the actual reality of the situation.

* i'm making a point here... he's a Buddhist, i'm a Christian... and the question i'm asking is valid, considering the variety of beliefs within a belief which results in factions and misinterpretations... being you as an atheist, that specific post is none of your business... and sticking your nose in that particular post is obvious flat-out stupid... 🙄

If you want to keep things private, that's what PMs are for. If you are posting something up for discussion then you cannot expect to tell people it's none of their business to discuss. I have every right to call you out for using bad logic, and have responded to points directed to shaky in the past without you being upset. So I get the feeling this objection is based less on privacy and more on me taking the discussion in a direction that might not help you seem like you had shaky in a corner.

* <sigh> someone hates being wrong... 🙄

Originally posted by King Kandy
If you want to keep things private, that's what PMs are for.

* oh? you're a moderator now? 😐

Originally posted by King Kandy
If you are posting something up for discussion then you cannot expect to tell people it's none of their business to discuss.

* you don't get it, do you? where on earth can you get any credibilty pertaining to that particular post? you're an atheist! that particular post is me trying to make a point... a point from a Christian to a Buddhist... i've never told anyone not to interfere, but in that particular post, telling me my point is dumb is something i cannot tolerate especially for someone unrelated to it...

Originally posted by King Kandy
I have every right to call you out for using bad logic,

* such ego... who, on earth, do YOU think you are? 😕

Originally posted by King Kandy
and have responded to points directed to shaky in the past without you being upset. So I get the feeling this objection is based less on privacy and more on me taking the discussion in a direction that might not help you seem like you had shaky in a corner.

* i don't care... you fail to realize how you as an atheist, sticking your nose in that particular post is really stupid... oh yeah, go and whine like a baby and pretend to be a moderator, if that makes you happy... happy? 🙄

Originally posted by peejayd
* if Buddha is not a god... why are some Buddhists worship him and treat him like he is one? 🙄

I don't know. Why do people worship Jesus and treat him like he was a god?

Originally posted by peejayd
* i'm making a point here... he's a Buddhist, i'm a Christian... and the question i'm asking is valid, considering the variety of beliefs within a belief which results in factions and misinterpretations... being you as an atheist, that specific post is none of your business... and sticking your nose in that particular post is obvious flat-out stupid... 🙄

So, what is your point?

Originally posted by peejayd
*snip*

I'm reporting you for trolling.