Originally posted by King Kandy
So you believe god was acting wrongly in the old testament... okay, all I need to know.
"Then God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God relented from the disaster that He had said He would bring upon them, and He did not do it."
Jonah 3:10
* in this example, God should perish Nineveh because of their evil works... but God CHANGED His mind and decided to spare them because Nineveh turned from their evil ways... change does not mean there was something wrong in the first decision... example: when you said to your child if she plays outside, you would spank her, she plays outside but when she realized her mistake, she goes to you and asks for forgiveness, you forgive her and did not spank her... did you acted wrongly? 🙄
Originally posted by King Kandy
And yet god said to show them NO MERCY, give them NO CHANCE TO REPENT. That's the problem. He told moses to massacre them NO MATTER WHAT THEY DID, and all they were guilty of was idol worship.
* God can read hearts and minds... He knows if they would repent or not... read Genesis 18:20-32 and see how merciful God is, that He would spare Sodom & Gomorrah from destruction if Abraham can only find 10 righteous people there... bargain starts at 50, then it goes down to 10... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* God can read hearts and minds... He knows if they would repent or not... read Genesis 18:20-32 and see how merciful God is, that He would spare Sodom & Gomorrah from destruction if Abraham can only find 10 righteous people there... bargain starts at 50, then it goes down to 10... 😉
Speaking of mean pranks, how about telling Abraham to kill Isaac? That was all kinds of messed up.
Originally posted by King Kandy
God knew there was nobody in those cities worth saving (besides lot and his family). He was just taunting Abraham the whole time. Kind of a mean prank.
* it shows God's mercy...
Originally posted by King Kandy
Speaking of mean pranks, how about telling Abraham to kill Isaac? That was all kinds of messed up.
* testing how great Abraham's faith in God...
Originally posted by peejayd
* God can read hearts and minds... He knows if they would repent or not... read Genesis 18:20-32 and see how merciful God is, that He would spare Sodom & Gomorrah from destruction if Abraham can only find 10 righteous people there... bargain starts at 50, then it goes down to 10... 😉
So, refraining from killing all the people in two cities, but then destroying them anyway, is showing mercy? 🙄 It all makes sense if you keep in mind that the god of the bible is a war god.
Forgiving those people would have been merciful.
Originally posted by peejayd
* it shows God's mercy...
Originally posted by peejayd
* testing how great Abraham's faith in God...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, refraining from killing all the people in two cities, but then destroying them anyway, is showing mercy? 🙄 It all makes sense if you keep in mind that the god of the bible is a war god.
* read Genesis 18:20-32...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Forgiving those people would have been merciful.
* can you imagine how big is the population of Sodom and Gomorrah? and God was willing to forgive them all if Abraham could just find 10 righteous people in it... unfortunately, he got only 3, iirc... you fail to realize the mercy of God, all you see is the negative perspective...
Originally posted by King Kandy
So intending from the start to destroy the cities, then doing it is merciful?
* God had put law into man's heart (Romans 2:15), man knows what's good and evil, so choosing evil means you neglected the law of God in your heart... everyone knows d@mn well that satan would eventually go to hell and suffer so willfully aligning yourself with evil means you don't want to be in heaven...
* all God wants is for people to stop committing sins, repent and do good... ain't that simple? do good and you'll be saved, believe in Christ and you'll be saved... it's simple... rejecting Christ and rejecting to do good means you don't want to be in heaven...
Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, by playing the most psychologically scarring and cruel prank in the world (oh wait that's Job) on him. Real nice.
"You shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul."
Deuteronomy 13:3
* it was a test... in the case of Job, Job was already tested, he is perfect in the eyes of God... it was satan who made the "pranks", fyi... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* God had put law into man's heart (Romans 2:15), man knows what's good and evil, so choosing evil means you neglected the law of God in your heart... everyone knows d@mn well that satan would eventually go to hell and suffer so willfully aligning yourself with evil means you don't want to be in heaven...* all God wants is for people to stop committing sins, repent and do good... ain't that simple? do good and you'll be saved, believe in Christ and you'll be saved... it's simple... rejecting Christ and rejecting to do good means you don't want to be in heaven...
Originally posted by peejayd
"You shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for [b]the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul."
Deuteronomy 13:3[/B]
Originally posted by peejayd
* it was a test... in the case of Job, Job was already tested, he is perfect in the eyes of God... it was satan who made the "pranks", fyi... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* read Genesis 18:20-32...
No thanks.
Originally posted by peejayd
* can you imagine how big is the population of Sodom and Gomorrah? and God was willing to forgive them all if Abraham could just find 10 righteous people in it... unfortunately, he got only 3, iirc... you fail to realize the mercy of God, all you see is the negative perspective...
I’m appalled that a god would want to kill people, period.
Originally posted by peejayd
* God had put law into man's heart (Romans 2:15),
I don’t believe that, even for a moment.
Originally posted by peejayd
man knows what's good and evil,
That is not true. Good and evil are determined by the culture a person lives in.
Originally posted by peejayd
so choosing evil means you neglected the law of God in your heart...
…within the constraints of a society.
Originally posted by peejayd
everyone knows d@mn well that satan would eventually go to hell and suffer so willfully aligning yourself with evil means you don't want to be in heaven...
Satan is just myth, and heaven is not a place you go when you die. Heaven is a state of mind.
Originally posted by peejayd
* all God wants is for people to stop committing sins, repent and do good... ain't that simple?
It is nether simple or correct. Sin is also, like good and evil, something that society determines. What is sin to one culture is not to another.
How can a god want?
Originally posted by peejayd
do good and you'll be saved,
There is nothing to be saved from. This is simple a recruiting tool used by some religions.
Originally posted by peejayd
believe in Christ and you'll be saved... it's simple... rejecting Christ and rejecting to do good means you don't want to be in heaven...
Rejecting your religion cannot be equated to rejecting good. That is arrogant.
Originally posted by peejayd
can you imagine how big is the population of Sodom and Gomorrah? and God was willing to forgive them all if Abraham could just find 10 righteous people in it... unfortunately, he got only 3, iirc... you fail to realize the mercy of God, all you see is the negative perspective...
Originally posted by peejayd
* can you imagine how big is the population of Sodom and Gomorrah? and God was willing to forgive them all if Abraham could just find 10 righteous people in it... unfortunately, he got only 3, iirc... you fail to realize the mercy of God, all you see is the negative perspective...
hold on...
did you just use an insinuation to Sodom and Gomorrah's large population in an attempt to say God was merciful for killing said, by your own argument, large populations?
What does the word mercy mean to you? no, seriously
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No thanks.
* then you will not understand the scenario...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I’m appalled that a god would want to kill people, period.
* that's absurd... God provides life and He can take it away also... there's nothing appalling about that... what's appalling is that you came from a monkey... 🙄
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don’t believe that, even for a moment.
* you have rational thinking, right? doesn't matter whether you believe or not because it's true... unless you want to believe your rational thinking came from monkeys (again)... 🙄
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is not true. Good and evil are determined by the culture a person lives in.
* man still knows what is good and what is evil... your statement does not negate that thought...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
…within the constraints of a society.
* does not matter...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Satan is just myth, and heaven is not a place you go when you die. Heaven is a state of mind.
* stop this hypocrisy, mr.shakya... you're a buddhist, right? and Buddhism has Deva, Naraka, Asura, Brahma, Suddhavasa, etc... Buddhism should also be a myth to you... 🙄
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is nether simple or correct. Sin is also, like good and evil, something that society determines. What is sin to one culture is not to another.
* sin in Christianity... if you don't know Christianity, it does not apply to you...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How can a god want?
* a loving God wants all people to be saved...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is nothing to be saved from. This is simple a recruiting tool used by some religions.
* there is... hell, eternal fire and suffering... your Buddhism has Naraka, fyi...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Rejecting your religion cannot be equated to rejecting good. That is arrogant.
* in Christianity, of course the law of God is good... it does not apply to all... non-believers of Christian faith can be included in salvation because the God in Christianity desires all people to be saved...
Originally posted by King Kandy
Oh yeah and btw God KNEW there were not enough people in the cities to spare them... so the whole thing was just toying with abraham.
* God was offering salvation... it was the evil works of people in Sodom and Gomorrah that destroyed them, if you read the story, the people there even want the have sex with the angels... that's how evil they are... 🙄
Originally posted by inimalist
hold on...did you just use an insinuation to Sodom and Gomorrah's large population in an attempt to say God was merciful for killing said, by your own argument, large populations?
What does the word mercy mean to you? no, seriously
* if you don't understand my point, let me repeat -> God was willing to forgive them all if Abraham could just find 10 righteous people in it...
Originally posted by peejayd
* that's absurd... God provides life and He can take it away also... there's nothing appalling about that... what's appalling is that you came from a monkey... 🙄
Originally posted by peejayd
* man still knows what is good and what is evil... your statement does not negate that thought...
Originally posted by peejayd
* stop this hypocrisy, mr.shakya... you're a buddhist, right? and Buddhism has Deva, Naraka, Asura, Brahma, Suddhavasa, etc... Buddhism should also be a myth to you... 🙄
Originally posted by peejayd
* there is... hell, eternal fire and suffering... your Buddhism has Naraka, fyi...
Originally posted by peejayd
* God was offering salvation... it was the evil works of people in Sodom and Gomorrah that destroyed them, if you read the story, the people there even want the have sex with the angels... that's how evil they are... 🙄
BTW they didn't know they were angels.
Originally posted by peejayd
* if you don't understand my point, let me repeat -> [b]God was willing to forgive them all if Abraham could just find 10 righteous people in it... [/B]
Originally posted by King Kandy
You could use that kind of logic to say that people should be allowed to kill their children...
* humans don't provide life, they procreate... if humans can provide life, there should not be barren/impotent humans...
Originally posted by King Kandy
BTW they didn't know they were angels.
* that does not justify anything, angels or not, they really don't know them but they want to have sex with them... that's how evil they are...
Originally posted by peejayd
* then you will not understand the scenario...
I don’t need too.
Originally posted by peejayd
* that's absurd... God provides life and He can take it away also...
So, might makes right? That makes sense from a war god.
Originally posted by peejayd
there's nothing appalling about that... what's appalling is that you came from a monkey... 🙄
I wish people like you would take a moment of your life and learn evolution. What you just said was incredibly stupid, and you don’t even realize it.
Monkeys are modern animals. Monkeys and Hominids evolved from a Lemur like animal that lived millions of years ago.
Originally posted by peejayd
* you have rational thinking, right? doesn't matter whether you believe or not because it's true... unless you want to believe your rational thinking came from monkeys (again)... 🙄
Good and evil are not absolutes. There are commonalities that reach across cultural lines, but that is because we are talking about humans. The idea of good and evil falls apart when you try to apply it to other animals.
Originally posted by peejayd
* man still knows what is good and what is evil... your statement does not negate that thought...
Is taking a human life good or evil?
Originally posted by peejayd
* does not matter...
It makes all the difference.
Originally posted by peejayd
* stop this hypocrisy, mr.shakya... you're a buddhist, right? and Buddhism has Deva, Naraka, Asura, Brahma, Suddhavasa, etc... Buddhism should also be a myth to you... 🙄
Buddhism does have mythology. As a matter of fact, Buddhism has a rich and diverse mythology. However, mythology is symbolic, and is used to tell stories that help convey Buddhist concepts.
Originally posted by peejayd
* sin in Christianity... if you don't know Christianity, it does not apply to you...
I understand Christianity.
Originally posted by peejayd
* a loving God wants all people to be saved...
Originally posted by peejayd
* there is... hell, eternal fire and suffering... your Buddhism has Naraka, fyi...
And where is this mythical hell?
Originally posted by peejayd
* in Christianity, of course the law of God is good... it does not apply to all... non-believers of Christian faith can be included in salvation because the God in Christianity desires all people to be saved...
Again there is nothing to be saved from. Adam and Eve and the original sin are mythology. They tell an important story, but to take them literally is to not get the point.