Jesus Christ

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So Jesus Christ doesn't have authority and doesn't have everything before He died?

Again, the Bible says:

Philippians 2:5-11 (New King James Version)
New King James Version (NKJV)
Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.

The Humbled and Exalted Christ

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. [emphasis mine]

Clearly, Jesus Christ Himself was found in the form of God, but He didn't think this "equality" as something to be grasped. This is the obvious distinction of the True God [the Father - who is One], and Jesus being in the form of God [not suggesting that Jesus Christ is God Himself]. How has Jesus Christ Himself been found "in the form of God"? Before He became a man? No. It says: Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God. Jesus Christ is a man, yet He was found in the form of God. How can it be? Is Jesus both God and man? No. Nobody can be both God and man. Since God already declared in the Old that God is not a man, and a man is not a God. So, how was He in the form of God? Jesus said: "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father". Jesus Christ at the time of His birth was called by the angels as "Lord". He was given a NAME, which is above every name - and at the name of JESUS, He is worthy of worship. Jesus Christ was considered as the Savior. He was called the Son of God. He performed things God told Him to do: to fulfill the prophecies regarding the Messiah, to preach the words of God, to perform miracles and wonders, to forgive sins. These are authorities. When did He had these? Just after His death? No. Even He was not yet born, God has already entrusted Him the government or authority and placed it upon His [the Christ's] shoulder, this is a prophetic declaration of God through Prophet Isaiah [Isa.9:6]. Having these qualities, only God can have, Jesus Christ was found in that form... not because He is God... but because God has already GIVEN Him everything.

When did God has highly exalted our Lord Jesus Christ and has given him the name above every name? Was it just after He died?

Again, Philippians 2 is not saying that God became a man, and after His manly death, He was given everything.

This is not related to the passage of John 1 regarding the Word.

In the literal translation of John 1 from original Greek manuscripts, it says: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. It is not suggesting that Jesus became a man. It only says that the Word was made flesh. SOMEBODY has made the Word flesh. The "flesh" is not a literal flesh. In the absence of an article, it was rendered as a modifier to the Word. To accept that Jesus Christ Himself was the Word that was made a flesh [literal sense]... it would mean that Jesus Christ was made a man or somebody has made Him a man.

But this is not what the Philippians is saying since it says: but made Himself [Jesus] of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. Here, Jesus Christ is the one who chose to become a man [not a man who became a man but a Lord who chose to become a servant]. He humbled Himself like a servant... also not a God who became a man. But Jesus made Himself in the likeness of a servant - being obedient to the will of His Master - the God our Father.

In Hebrews, as I said... it was not the God Himself who said those words. Paul has only quoted the passages written in the Old Testament regarding the Messiah, especially the Psalm... the author of that particular Psalm is the one speaking in that quote... as what I have explained before.

On the other hand, John 1 and Philippians 2 do not prove that the Son Jesus Christ Himself created everything.

Don't you know that we all have God as our Father?
Didn't the one God create each of us?
Then why do you cheat each other by breaking the agreement
God made with your ancestors?
Malachi 2:10, CEV

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Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Even there it says he took the form of a servant and came in the likeness of men. So when he was in the likeness of men, was he too in the form of God? Hardly.

As to him being found in the form of God before he was a man, you suggest no but the bible does not. There is a clear distinction that he was in the form of God and then took the form of a servant and came as a man. You still have yet to show me a passage in the bible which states that Jesus Christ was delivered all things prior to his death. Beyond which, the bible clearly says that he was created a little below the angels. How was he in the form of God and at the same time created a little below the angels? Still waiting on that answer. 🙄 If Jesus Christ had authority over all things before he died, why did he need to die? If he had authority over all things, why did he recognize satan as the ruler of the earth? The bible clearly shows that he was given authority and exalted AFTER his death.

Nobody is saying that Jesus became a man. That doesnt work, as has been mentioned Jesus was the name given to him when he came to earth (as has been said). Actually it does say that this is what Jesus did but it does not say that when he was in the form of God, he was a man. It says he was in the form of God but made himself of no reputation and was coming in the likeness of men. Coming from where? When was he made of no reputation? Since birth no?

Paul was stating what the Father had said. Its made quite obvious in the passage as he said, Who did God the father say this too. He said it over and over. So who is speaking? Certainly you cant contend that someody other than God the Father was talking about somebody being his son.🙄

Don't you know that we all have God as our Father?
Didn't the one God create each of us?
Then why do you cheat each other by breaking the agreement
God made with your ancestors?
Malachi 2:10, CEV

Ive already quoted scripture and passages that state that the word/son created everything. Nice try though. Yes God is the Father, the founder but it was through the son that everything was created.

Curious here but in your opinion who was it who was called God and appeared and spoke to Noah, Abraham, Moses etc in the Old Testamanet.

Originally posted by clickclick
Even there it says he took the form of a servant and came in the likeness of men. (1)So when he was in the likeness of men, was he too in the form of God? Hardly.

(2)As to him being found in the form of God before he was a man, you suggest no but the bible does not. There is a clear distinction that he was in the form of God and then took the form of a servant and came as a man. (3)You still have yet to show me a passage in the bible which states that Jesus Christ was delivered all things prior to his death. Beyond which, the bible clearly says that he was created a little below the angels. How was he in the form of God and at the same time created a little below the angels? Still waiting on that answer. 🙄 If Jesus Christ had authority over all things before he died, why did he need to die? If he had authority over all things, why did he recognize satan as the ruler of the earth? The bible clearly shows that he was given authority and exalted AFTER his death.

(4)Nobody is saying that Jesus became a man. That doesnt work, as has been mentioned Jesus was the name given to him when he came to earth (as has been said). Actually it does say that this is what Jesus did but it does not say that when he was in the form of God, he was a man. It says he was in the form of God but made himself of no reputation and was coming in the likeness of men. Coming from where? When was he made of no reputation? Since birth no?

(5)Paul was stating what the Father had said. Its made quite obvious in the passage as he said, Who did God the father say this too. He said it over and over. So who is speaking? Certainly you cant contend that someody other than God the Father was talking about somebody being his son.🙄

(6)Ive already quoted scripture and passages that state that the word/son created everything. Nice try though. Yes God is the Father, the founder but it was through the son that everything was created.

(1) and (2) - I posted: How has Jesus Christ Himself been found "in the form of God"? Before He became a man? No. It says: Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God. Jesus Christ is a man, yet He was found in the form of God. How can it be? Is Jesus both God and man? No. Nobody can be both God and man [as what the doctrine of Incarnation, a sister to Trinity, is trying to contend]. Since God already declared in the Old that God is not a man, and a man is not a God.

Again, the Bible says: Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God,... but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death... Jesus Christ was already a man. Being a man, He was found "in the form of God". I am not saying Jesus is both God and man. Being "in the form of God" means He was found with the qualities and/or attributes as God has.

Again, I said: Jesus Christ at the time of His birth was called by the angels as "Lord". He was given a NAME, which is above every name - and at the name of JESUS, He is worthy of worship. Jesus Christ was considered as the Savior. He was called the Son of God. He performed things God told Him to do: to fulfill the prophecies regarding the Messiah, to preach the words of God, to perform miracles and wonders, to forgive sins. These are authorities. When did He had these? Just after His death? No. Even He was not yet born, God has already entrusted Him the government or authority and placed it upon His [the Christ's] shoulder, this is a prophetic declaration of God through Prophet Isaiah [Isa.9:6]. Having these qualities, only God can have, Jesus Christ was found in that form... not because He is God... but because God has already GIVEN Him everything.

(3) - I posted: So, how was He in the form of God? Jesus said: "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father". You can read this in the Gospel of God according to Matthew.

When did He exalted by God? After Jesus' death?

[Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. [size=4]Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. [emphasis mine]

He was highly exalted and given a name above every name and should be called "Lord". This seemed to be concurrent... not one after the other.

(4) - Again, the Bible says: Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

He was already a man when He was found "in the form of God": being the Son of God, the Savior, the Rock, the Lord, the One who performed miracles and wonders, and the One who forgive sins, and everything God had wanted Him to do. But He still chose to become a servant. As I said, being obedient to God's will. Part of God's will for salvation is that He must die on the cross. This was His Master's will, so He obeyed as a servant. He humbled Himself as a man who must suffer death. So He must die on the cross.

(5) - Again, I said: It was not the God Himself who said those words. Paul has only quoted the passages written in the Old Testament regarding the Messiah, especially the Psalm... the author of that particular Psalm is the one speaking in that quote...

Again I said: The author [Paul] again quoted some portion of Psalm 102. This psalm is a prayer of the psalmist to our Lord God. And of course this prayer was addressed to God. Who wrote this Psalm? David, right?

‘In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end.’ This was quoted from Psalm 102. The Psalm of David.

Who is David's God? Of course, the God of Israel - the LORD God of Israel. Now, why did the Paul quoted this Psalm? To proclaim that the Son created the world? No. Again, to emphasize that this God is the One who laid the foundation of the world. And this God - as the Creator of everything.

Paul said in Hebrews: And He [God] says: "In the beginning, O Lord,..." Does this mean that it was God Himself who said these words? No. Remember that Paul was quoting the words from the Old Testament. In this part, he quoted David's words. Generally, the Scriptures are called the words of God... but not in the literal sense that everything written in it are exactly the words that came out from the mouth of God, unless otherwise stated. Those words are from Moses, the Prophets, the Psalms of David, etc. [e.g] We can figuratively say that "God said: 'Husbands, love your wives just as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it. He did this to dedicate the church to God by his word, after making it clean by washing it in water, in order to present the church to himself in all its beauty – pure and faultless, without spot or wrinkle or any other imperfection'." These were the words of Paul. This doesn't mean that God Himself have said these words but this can still be considered as the "words of God".

(6) Yes. God is our Father... and according to Prophet Malachi - the One who created us. 🙂

Curious here but in your opinion who was it who was called God and appeared and spoke to Noah, Abraham, Moses etc in the Old Testamanet

But, in the time of Christ, this God was still not known to all. So Jesus Christ needed to introduce Him to us being the only true God, the Father.

He is the Father of Jesus, also our Father.
He is the God of Jesus, also our God.

He is none other than God our Father.

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You posted that you thought Jesus Christ was found in the form of God. Yet you didnt respond about him being created below the angels. When your response isnt sufficient, I gotta ask again.

Your post about Jesus being exalted doesnt show that what you are saying is correct. It says because he humbled himself even to the point of death, he was highly exalted. Which is what im saying and in agreement with the other passages I have posted about him being exalted. I am still waiting for you to post something about Jesus being exalted and and given authority over everything before his death. Im also still waiting for you to speak about how Satan was the ruler of the earth and how he could offer it to Jesus if Jesus had authority over everything. Satan was not lying, nor did Jesus ever say he was. In fact, near his death Jesus reaffirmed that satan was the ruler of this world. The bible aswell makes it clear that Jesus still had to conquer death before he would be exalted, which obviously happend after he died.

And no that passage does not say that he was already a man when he was found in the form of God. It says that he was found in the form of God but made himself into a servant of no reputation (when did he as a man ever have a reputation?) and came in the likeness of man. What was he before he was in the likeness of men? In the form of God but see as the bible states, as a man he was made a little lower than the angels.

As to Paul, even were he quoting something. He was quoting something from the Father. It was clear that it was the Father speaking, he even said I will be his Father and he will be my son. It is made very clear in that passage over and over that it was it was about what the Father said about the Son.

In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end.’ This was quoted from Psalm 102. The Psalm of David.

Who is David's God? Of course, the God of Israel - the LORD God of Israel. Now, why did the Paul quoted this Psalm? To proclaim that the Son created the world? No. Again, to emphasize that this God is the One who laid the foundation of the world. And this God - as the Creator of everything.

Again, who was speaking to whom in that passage? Who was the Father to the Son?

YHWH, LORD, God, the jealous God, the Almighty, the Mighty One, the I AM, the I AM WHO I AM, the God our Father, the God of Israel, the God of Abraham, the God of Moses, the God of Noah, the God of Adam, the Father of Adam, the Creator of Adam. These names only refer to ONE - the God.

But, in the time of Christ, this God was still not known to all. So Jesus Christ needed to introduce Him to us being the only true God, the Father.

He is the Father of Jesus, also our Father.
He is the God of Jesus, also our God.

He is none other than God our Father.

So even though the bible says this :

JOHN 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

JOHN 5:37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form."

JOHN 6:46 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, except he who is from God, he hath seen the Father."

I TIMOTHY 6:14 . . . Our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 who at the due time will be revealed by God, the blessed and only Ruler of all, the King of kings and the Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal, whose home is in inaccessible light, whom no man has seen and no man is able to see: to him be honor and everlasting power. Amen.

etc.

You believe that it was the Father who they saw and spoke to?

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son. In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins. Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Colassains 1-13:18

More scripture stating that it was the son who created everything.

Originally posted by clickclick
You posted that you thought Jesus Christ was found in the form of God. Yet you didnt respond about him being created below the angels. When your response isnt sufficient, I gotta ask again.

And what, in your opinion, does it mean that "Jesus was made for a while lower than angels"? That would mean He don't have the authority yet before His death? And what are those all things that have been delivered to Him by God even before He died? Candies and lollipops? Surely not.

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Originally posted by clickclick
Your post about Jesus being exalted doesnt show that what you are saying is correct. It says because he humbled himself even to the point of death, he was highly exalted. Which is what im saying and in agreement with the other passages I have posted about him being exalted. I am still waiting for you to post something about Jesus being exalted and and given authority over everything before his death. Im also still waiting for you to speak about how Satan was the ruler of the earth and how he could offer it to Jesus if Jesus had authority over everything. Satan was not lying, nor did Jesus ever say he was. In fact, near his death Jesus reaffirmed that satan was the ruler of this world. The bible aswell makes it clear that Jesus still had to conquer death before he would be exalted, which obviously happend after he died.

"Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord..."

Did it say He was exalted only after His death? Again, the mystery of God's will is the salvation of mankind on the eternal punishment. This salvation can only be done THROUGH Jesus Christ. How can He do this? God already knew everything because this is His own will. And the part of His will is that Jesus must die in order to save the people of God. How can Jesus do this if God won't give Him first the authorities? By the time of His birth, Jesus was called by the angels as Lord... yet it is still true to say that Jesus was made little [or for a while] lower than angels. In what sense? May I ask your opinion about this? Actually there is no contradiction in the sense that Jesus was made for a while lower than angels and at the same time being in the form of God. Jesus Christ remains a man. A man is lower than angel literally. But because this is the will of God, God made Jesus, being a man, supreme to everything.... that's why God gave Him a name which is above every name and therefore He is worthy to be called "Lord". Isn't He already exalted in that very sense?

Because God has given Him the name above every name He is worthy to be called Lord. When did God gave this authority to Jesus? Is it after His death? It is unreasonable to isolate this "God had highly exalted Him" from "God has given Him a name above every name" and "worthy to be called Lord" and say this was done afer His death on the cross.

Does Satan knew everything and are you sure He was not lying when He tempted Jesus? Just asking 🙄 Analyze Satan's offer and Jesus' response at that time. Yes. Satan is indeed the ruler of this world. So, does it mean Jesus has no authority on this world before He died?

Just asking for your opinion: Do you really know why did Jesus die on the cross? It's okay if you won't address this.

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Originally posted by clickclick
As to Paul, even were he quoting something. He was quoting something from the Father. It was clear that it was the Father speaking, he even said I will be his Father and he will be my son. It is made very clear in that passage over and over that it was it was about what the Father said about the Son.

Again, who was speaking to whom in that passage? Who was the Father to the Son?

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Originally posted by clickclick
So even though the bible says this :

JOHN 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

JOHN 5:37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form."

JOHN 6:46 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, except he who is from God, he hath seen the Father."

I TIMOTHY 6:14 . . . Our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 who at the due time will be revealed by God, the blessed and only Ruler of all, the King of kings and the Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal, whose home is in inaccessible light, whom no man has seen and no man is able to see: to him be honor and everlasting power. Amen.

etc.

You believe that it was the Father who they saw and spoke to?

So, it was God [our Father].

Originally posted by clickclick
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son. In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins. Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Colassains 1-13:18

More scripture stating that it was the son who created everything.

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Again the Bible said: "Jesus Christ, who, being in the form of God". I don't need to elaborate. I cannot go beyond what is written to suit with the traditional man-made absurdity. I already have posted this several times.

And what, in your opinion, does it mean that "Jesus was made for a while lower than angels"? That would mean He don't have the authority yet before His death? And what are those all things that have been delivered to Him by God even before He died? Candies and lollipops? Surely not.

Your argument against is getting pretty weak. It does not says Jesus Christ who was in the form. So now you are arguing against what the bible says about him being made lower than the angels? Interesting....

All these things that were delivered to him before his death? 🙄

Still waiting on that scripture...

Again, Paul quoted what David have said in his prayer. As to the reason why, reread my post.

Again, this isnt a matter of whether or not he quoted David's prayer. This is a matter of who is said to be speaking to whom. It was the Father to the Son. Which you still havent been able refute. Explain how it wasnt about the Father talking to the Son. When he says today I will be his Father and he my Son. Was that David talking to somebody? When he says to which of the angels did God ever say....

I did read your post last time and I know that it was insufficient. Who was being spoken of saying that?

Originally posted by clickclick
Your argument against is getting pretty weak. It does not says Jesus Christ who was in the form. So now you are arguing against what the bible says about him being made lower than the angels? Interesting....

All these things that were delivered to him before his death? 🙄

Still waiting on that scripture...

🙂 But I'm sure, you have read it also.

Originally posted by clickclick
Again, this isnt a matter of whether or not he quoted David's prayer. This is a matter of who is said to be speaking to whom. It was the Father to the Son. Which you still havent been able refute. Explain how it wasnt about the Father talking to the Son. When he says today I will be his Father and he my Son. Was that David talking to somebody? When he says to which of the angels did God ever say....

I did read your post last time and I know that it was insufficient. Who was being spoken of saying that?

Again, the Bible says:

"Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord..."

Again, you are taking the passage out of context. It says he was humble until death, therefore... So does that indicate after death? Yes. Does it support your claim that he had authority over all things before death? Absolutely not. Beyond which, ive posted some passages which state that he didnt get that until after he died. Beyond which, I can even post more.

Yes, there is a contradiction. What does it mean for Jesus Christ to be created a little below the angels? Do you have any clue? Do you know what it means to be found in the form of God? Any clue?

Isnt he already exalted in that verse? When do you think that verse was written? And what is the premise stated before it? If you are unsure as to when he was exalted, we can further go over that one for your benefit. 🙂

As to Satan being the ruler of the world, Jesus even reaffirms it. 🙄 It is for that same reason that Jesus never denied it.

Ive already stated why Jesus died on the cross.

Now ive already posted about how he was exalted after death and im still waiting for you to post something stating that it wasnt before his death. When did he have a reputation as a man before he humbled himself?

Originally posted by Jury
🙂 Of course, it's insufficient to you. But again, I have answered that one. It's just that... you didn't get it... and is not itching to hear. I understand.

Why am I not surprised. This is what is often know as avoidance. The whole passage is about who the Father ever said this of the Son to. The funny thing is that you came back and seperated a part of that passage and tried to take things out of context.

So if you think that was sufficient well, that explains a lot about you. 🙄

"All things have been delivered to Me by My Father"... I have read this in Matthew. I just forgot the exact verses. I'm not a Baptist to memorize the whole Bible words for words. smile But I'm sure He declared this long before He died.

smile But I'm sure, you have read it also.

For one, itd be helpful if you could find the exact passage it comes from. 🙂

Originally posted by clickclick
Again, you are taking the passage out of context. It says he was humble until death, therefore... So does that indicate after death? Yes. Does it support your claim that he had authority over all things before death? Absolutely not. Beyond which, ive posted some passages which state that he didnt get that until after he died. Beyond which, I can even post more.

Yes, there is a contradiction. What does it mean for Jesus Christ to be created a little below the angels? Do you have any clue? Do you know what it means to be found in the form of God? Any clue?

Isnt he already exalted in that verse? When do you think that verse was written? And what is the premise stated before it? If you are unsure as to when he was exalted, we can further go over that one for your benefit. 🙂

As to Satan being the ruler of the world, Jesus even reaffirms it. 🙄 It is for that same reason that Jesus never denied it.

Ive already stated why Jesus died on the cross.

Now ive already posted about how he was exalted after death and im still waiting for you to post something stating that it wasnt before his death. When did he have a reputation as a man before he humbled himself?

So after Jesus died, He was highly exalted and given a name above every name.. and worthy to be called Lord?

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Satan, again, is indeed the ruler of the world. Does it mean that Jesus has no authority on the world?

Yes. I guess you know the reason why Jesus died on the cross. I hope so.

Again, Jesus Christ, who, being in the form of God... also made lower than angels... chose to become a servant.

Being "in the form of God" as what I have said is that Jesus has found with qualities and attributes similar to God... but this doesn't mean that Jesus is now God. The Bible does not mean literally that Jesus was found "in the form of God"... again, not literally... because literally God is a Spirit and without form... That's why Jesus, who being "in the form of God" ... chose to become a servant [to God's will]... Meaning, a man [lower than angel], who is also a Lord [yet supreme], chose to become a likeness of a servant... He took the form of a man [because part of God's will is that Christ must die to save His people] to the point of His death.

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Originally posted by clickclick
Why am I not surprised. This is what is often know as avoidance. The whole passage is about who the Father ever said this of the Son to. The funny thing is that you came back and seperated a part of that passage and tried to take things out of context.

So if you think that was sufficient well, that explains a lot about you. 🙄

For one, itd be helpful if you could find the exact passage it comes from. 🙂

My suggestion... disregard my post regarding that one. But read again the Book of Hebrews and ask for the Holy Spirit to guide you while reading.

🙂