Jesus Christ

Originally posted by gp christ loves
so why dont you believe in christ

I never said I didn't believe in Christ. I have no doubt he existed. I think he was a great teacher in a Ghandiesque sort of way. He had some great ideas in the whole peace, love and passivity line of thinking. Unfortunately, the concept of this big bearded man in the sky makes as much sense to me as believing that a big bearded man shimmies down my chimney on X-Mas eve. The concept is the same. big bearded man in teh sky sees everything I do and won't let me into heaven if he disagrees with something I do. Big bearded man that comes down the chimney sees everything I do and if he disagrees he won't bring me toys on X-Mas morning.

But, it actually goes far beyond that. The concept of a god that created everything is far too big to assign the human emotions that we have. If god is what he is said to be, then he wouldn't think anymore of us than we do flies. If god is all knowing and feeling, then why would he have to come to earth in the form of his "son" to experience life from an insects point of view? And if he came to earth to view life from the aspect of an insect, then a) he didn't create man in his image b) he isn't all knowing and all powerful.

The god in the old testament is the same god in the new testament. He goes from being totally whacked and pissed off, like a baby that isn't getting enough attention from it's puppy, so it pulls its ears off, to a totally hippie who's into love and peace and smoking pot.

So many of the stories in the bible are something akin to Asian proverbs and fables. And they've been around a lot longer than western culture. The difference is, that Asians had the good sense not to think the stories told to enlighten were meant to be taken literally.

God and the bible and the church have been used for centuries to keep people down, to keep them ignorant and to keep those in power, in power. So many of the rules that were laid out in teh bible have been changed. What? Suddenly it's okay to eat meat on friday? But you can't put a rubber on your dickie? (no pun intended) Please. Man created god, not the other way around.

I never said I didn't believe in Christ. I have no doubt he existed

finti if you read the rest of that reply you would know that he doesn't
question if God didn't crate us then who the hell did and I can tell you it wasn't evolution

finti if you read the rest of that reply you would know that he doesn't question if God didn't crate us then who the hell did and I can tell you it wasn't evolution

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I don't impose my own reality on others. I have said a thousand times that I could care less what christians believe about the world. It is only when they interfer with my life that I become irritated.

But that is what your post suggested - you refuse to give respect to their religion because its not what you consider a relaity.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
As for Hindus, Idon't know enough about them to speak about their beliefs. But, I also don't see one of the two major political parties in the US being hijacked by Hindus. Hindus aren't trying to convince the country that I'm evil.

Not in America they don't, since there is not a high number of hinus, but in India, you'd certanly be considered evil for your sexuality. While in Saudi Arabia you'd be condement to death for it. Like it or not, you practice more freedom in the west as a gay person then if you lived in many other countries around the world.

your crazy president is using religion to pass the laws which he feels are in his favour and/or would help him gain votes - Hes not convincing people that gays are evil - hes confirming peoples homophobia so that they would follow and support him - I would hope that you of all people should know that Bush's interest has nothing to do with morality of a religion or otherwise.

That was not even the point I was making - the point was that not only Christians believe in Christ - but that Hindus do too, since there was a debate about Christ and well this whole thread was originaly about him, no?

I actually believe that Jesus was an maniac.

choose to blieve or dont choose to believe
but if you dont I feel sorry for you you are missing out
and by the way evolution goes against many of the basic rules of science
ever heard of eridusible complexity the human being can be broken down into any other living things none of its organs work without all of the components being there there are many others also go to
ICR.org and you will see that evolution is just not possible and thus there has to be a god that started all of it

Says you.

Can you really prove that God exists?

Originally posted by finti
well do you believe in the divine jesus then since you think he existed as christ?

Finti, you know very well that that was merely a slip of the mind.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
But that is what your post suggested - you refuse to give respect to their religion because its not what you consider a relaity.

If you think I'm talking out of my ass, then feel free to go back and read my posts. I have always said very plainly that I don't care what people believe. What I care about is how the person who believe what christians do are going to vote. I understand that your point is respect. But let's consider the vast majority of what christians think vs. what they think. All the people involved in this thread who subscribe to christianity have a habit of calling it evil or the result of the devils influence. Where's the respect in that?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Not in America they don't, since there is not a high number of hinus, but in India, you'd certanly be considered evil for your sexuality. While in Saudi Arabia you'd be condement to death for it. Like it or not, you practice more freedom in the west as a gay person then if you lived in many other countries around the world.

I don't live in India. One country at a time. And don't bash America at every turn of a conversation and then tell me I should be grateful for living here.

Originally posted by gp christ loves
choose to blieve or dont choose to believe
but if you dont I feel sorry for you you are missing out
and by the way evolution goes against many of the basic rules of science
ever heard of eridusible complexity the human being can be broken down into any other living things none of its organs work without all of the components being there there are many others also go to
ICR.org and you will see that evolution is just not possible and thus there has to be a god that started all of it

Trust me, the "I feel sorry for you" thing is mutual.

I was watching TCT yesterday. I forget the name of the show, something like 'Questions in Christ' or "Science for Christians". I forget. it was pretty early in the morning. The whole topic of the show was Evolution. They went on and on about how they don't think the Earth is 6000 years old, that the bible isn't meant to be taken literaly in that respect and blah blah blah. But, they never said how old they think the earth is. The same thing they accuse evolutionists of doing. AND THEN! they said that the same mind that created the hand of the bat, the dolphine and the human were one in th esame. But, look at the choices that made! They're all from the same order! MAMMELS! Lets talk about a fish a cow and a human? where are the similarities? What master blue print did those come from?

Originally posted by gp christ loves
choose to blieve or dont choose to believe
but if you dont I feel sorry for you you are missing out
and by the way evolution goes against many of the basic rules of science
ever heard of eridusible complexity the human being can be broken down into any other living things none of its organs work without all of the components being there there are many others also go to
ICR.org and you will see that evolution is just not possible and thus there has to be a god that started all of it

Irreducible complexity is the concept that some biomechanical systems could not have evolved. This concept does not consider evolutionary mechanisms such as frictional change and co-evolution that not only make irreducible complexity possible, but expected.

Lil B, I decided to look up gay culture in India. It seems that there was, before the colonization by the British, no term for homosexuality in Indian culture. I read through several pages, and it seems that before the British brought their christian morality to India, there were several texts akin to the Kama Sutra that dealt with homosexual relationships. After colonization began, homosexuality, in many of it's aspects was broken down into the cast system and actually accepted in the middle and upper casts. Basically, it wasn't really considered an issue before the British made it one. After the British left, it continued to be a cultural issue. To the point that it now exists in underground culture.

In my zeal to post this, I neglected to save the urls. But, if you enter 'gay culture in india' into the google search engine, I'm sure you'll get the same results I did.

Finti, you know very well that that was merely a slip of the mind.

i believe that the creation around us and how complex it is proofs that there has to be a god that created it it couldn't have come about any other way

That's always been my point!!! 🙂

i believe that the creation around us and how complex it is proofs that there has to be a god that created it it couldn't have come about any other way

Why not? Maybe you should read a few more books? Hey, I know read the science book...The Holograph Universe....You can't deny it after that, and that's not a Christian book...God and us for that matter are quite different then what we've been told...

very good point Debbie and besides finti no other explenations that have been given for where we come from answer it corectly there are to many gaps but a god that is all powerful is very easy to understand and doesn't leave any gaps

very good point Debbie and besides finti no other explanation that have been given for where we come from answer it corectly there are to many gaps but a god that is all powerful is very easy to understand and doesn't leave any gaps

there are no gaps to God at all he is perfect and all powerful
to not believe in a higher being is by far the lamest of all

Originally posted by gp christ loves

to not believe in a higher being is by far the lamest of all

Is that how your God teaches you? Insult others who do not agree with you? What a lovely religion.