Jesus Christ

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sonnet Angeloflight

Originally posted by mr.smiley
I suggest you realize the difference between the letters the church attributed to Paul and the ones that he actualy wrote.Paul admits he never met Christ,but a being of light.He later tells us in one letter is the secret is Christ is in you.He makes no mention of historic Jesus.

The only true letters that Paul wrote is inthe Bilble. And it is no secret that Christ is within us but only in those who accepts Jesus Christ as their saviour. We become one with Christ but you will only understand the meaning of this if you believe the Bible as the true word of God. Many people claim that there are contradictions between Paul's letters and the words of Jesus. There are none!!! Jesus came as the saviour and to show God's power. Paul's letters are written to believers to help them keep the faith and grow spiritually. In Every letter he gives honour and "tribute" to Jesus our Lord and Saviour and urges the believers to keep the faith amidst many tribulations. He also gives advice inspired by the Holy Spirit ( God) about certain aspects concerning the early churches. He also teaches the believers how to stay in God's will and live among nonbelievers as well as reminding them of the return of Jesus Christ. In almost every letter he reminds us that Jesus is the only saviour and only way to God. Paul was not a gnostic but annointed by God and so was his work and letters.

debbiejo Dreamer

Why don't you read and study the Gnostic's just out of curiosity and then compare them to Pauls writing in the Bible...Might be interesting...

sonnet Angeloflight

Originally posted by debbiejo
Why don't you read and study the Gnostic's just out of curiosity and then compare them to Pauls writing in the Bible...Might be interesting...

I actually have read a few out of curiosity. There is still a great spiritual difference. Without faith in God and His word people will see what they want to to serve their purpose even if it is to make false claims. It is very easy to take words out of context and without proper understanding it is even easier. As long as you doubt the Bible being the true word of God you could be misled by all the so called intelectual debates. For these people have only one mission and that is to TRy and discredit the Bible, Jesus and God.

debbiejo Dreamer

Originally posted by sonnet
I actually have read a few out of curiosity. There is still a great spiritual difference.
Yes there is a spiritual different...More spiritual I feel...more the living the fruits of the spirit...Having that in you...

finti Senior Member

The only true letters that Paul wrote is inthe Bilble
depends on the eyes that sees it

debbiejo Dreamer

And though I feel they taught that Christ was in you, the inner goodness, I still think that to exclude the natural body is incorrect, and also the teaching about women...It was a giving everything up of natural things that is external and the physical for the eternal....Total sacrifice.....Looking at all of Paul writings, a person can see the influence on what was allowed in scripture.

gp christ loves Senior Member

historians say there was a man named Jesus they cant proof much else though but if historians say he existed the he existed

debbiejo Dreamer

ok...and?

Legend Of Chibi Your soul.
Originally posted by finti
christians should tell non christians they are wrong?????????

Sort of, we should explain to non-christians how it should be, and what we believe they are wrong with. It is your choice if you agree after all we have told and explained as much as possible, but if you don't then well there isn't much we can do but pray.

Legend Of Chibi Your soul.

"You are very wrong my friend.While Christianity has toned down a drastic amount it is still one of the bloodiest religons ever.All you have to do is read some history and you discover Christianity isn't that rich in a peaceful history."
Yet the Bible doesn't want bloodiness, the Bible talks of peace, it's just the not so peaceful history that is the major problem.

debbiejo Dreamer

The whole OT was very bloody, just as god didn't want David to built the temple, cause he was a man of war....Only Solomon was to build it....The NT was quite different, but still true to the commandments of god...which were already mentioned...they were not cancelled.

Question...If your neighbor was a nonbeliever, would you share the gospel with him?

finti Senior Member

historians say there was a man named Jesus they cant proof much else though but if historians say he existed the he existed
jesus aint nothing but a name though

finti Senior Member

Sort of, we should explain to non-christians how it should be
so a group ( a quite large one none the less) that cant agree with in themselves are gonna explain how it should be, guess you all need another 2000 years to figure out how to explain it then if ever which actually are the most plausible scenario

It is your choice if you agree after all we have told and explained as much as possible, but if you don't then well there isn't much we can do but pray.
maybe it is time to counter that with missionaries(<--- no not the position you might have heard about) against religious believes

sonnet Angeloflight

Originally posted by debbiejo
And though I feel they taught that Christ was in you, the inner goodness, I still think that to exclude the natural body is incorrect, and also the teaching about women...It was a giving everything up of natural things that is external and the physical for the eternal....Total sacrifice.....Looking at all of Paul writings, a person can see the influence on what was allowed in scripture.

Jesus taught even greater sacrifice to his followers namely to give up all of your earthly possessions. He said that those who even put their family before him are not worthy of Him. So physical sacrifice taught by Paul was actually not so bad. All it meant was that nothing should be more important in your life than following Christ or take up more of your time than the time you allocate to your relationship with God and thus Jesus. Does this now suddenly show that secretely Jesus was gnostic? No definitely not. All scripture in the Bible NT is there because of the teachings of Jesus and the Gospels which are in line with Jesus's message.

finti Senior Member

Jesus taught even greater sacrifice to his followers namely to give up all of your earthly possessions.
yeah give it all away and go live like a hermitt on a mountain top

He said that those who even put their family before him are not worthy of Him.
kind of a selfish bugger aint he

Jesus was gnostic? No definitely not
well the gnostic claims he was

All scripture in the Bible NT is there because of the teachings of Jesus and the Gospels which are in line with Jesus's message
the gospels were chosen among many gospels, not all of those portrayed this jesus as divine though.....and to promote an ideology then without including divinity would not catch on

sonnet Angeloflight

Originally posted by finti
yeah give it all away and go live like a hermitt on a mountain top

kind of a selfish bugger aint he

well the gnostic claims he was

the gospels were chosen among many gospels, not all of those portrayed this jesus as divine though.....and to promote an ideology then without including divinity would not catch on


And your point being????????

finti Senior Member

that the gospels in the bible was chosen among many to fit the way leading people among the faith wanted it to be.

mr.smiley Senior Member

The Gnostics also claim Jesus never realy exisisted and the Christians had it all wrong.They said all scriptures had secret teachings within them that Christians didn't understand because they took all scripture as literal.

Pauls Christian letters and his gnostic letters paint two different people.In a lot of his letters we run apart pieces that have been later additions by the church.Sadly enough,we also know some of his letters are forgeries

debbiejo Dreamer

Originally posted by mr.smiley
The Gnostics also claim Jesus never realy exisisted and the Christians had it all wrong.They said all scriptures had secret teachings within them that Christians didn't understand because they took all scripture as literal.

Pauls Christian letters and his gnostic letters paint two different people.In a lot of his letters we run apart pieces that have been later additions by the church.Sadly enough,we also know some of his letters are forgeries

Yeah, what heard was the their were also 2 parts or an outer and inner meaning also...referred to as the "Inner Mysteries"..The outer meanings were kinda like for those who didn't quite understand yet, but the "Mystery" was the inner knowledge.

Paul also refers to the "Inner Mysteries" of Christ in scripture, I think.

sonnet Angeloflight

Originally posted by finti
that the gospels in the bible was chosen among many to fit the way leading people among the faith wanted it to be.

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