Jesus Christ

Originally posted by mysparrow
kinda funny how paul supposedly never met Jesus but yet he spoke of nothing but him , telling everyone not to look on him but on the one he followed , not bad for someone who never lived huh? Oh , and for the record Saul, later named Paul HEARD Jesus speak to him on the road to Damascus and knew it was him for he called him Lord , and Jesus identified himself to him , thus the conversion on the road to Damascus . If Jesus had never been , then Pauls ministry was in vain because he preached about a myth , and must have been dilusional by hearing his voice . So sad that people will willingly admit there was a Paul but not the Lord and Saviour of the World.

Originally posted by sonnet
That is so true. But you also know that this is written in the Bible how people will lose their love for God and follow the lies of Satan orcastrated by the socalled words of wisdom from people who have hardened their harts to the word of God and the Gospel. And it also says that God will give them over unto their foolishness. We know the word of God is true because of the Holy Spirit within us. The Bible says that what is foolishness to the world (and today that is Christiandom, the truth of the Bible and Jeus) is wisdom with God.

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

Sounds like god intionially created evil then..Why?

"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock
I will build my church..." (Matthew 16:18)

But he turned, and said unto Peter. Get thee behind me Satan:
thou art an offence unto me. for thou savourest not the things
that be of God, but those that be of man. (Matthew 16:23)

So was the spirit of god on Peter or not?

And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it." (Deuteronomy 28:63)

He sounds confused..

AND Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel." (I Chronicles 21:1)

"AND again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah." (II Samuel 24:1)

He sounds confused again...Is it Satan or god that provoked David?

Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall
not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his
kingdom. (Matthew 16:28)

Didn't happen unless there are some people around today that have not tasted death yet...That would make them pretty old wouldn't you say?

Surely, I come quickly." (Revelation 22:20)

Doesn't quickly mean like quickly?????..It's been awhile..yes?

Not a good editing job.

Quote:I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

Sounds like god intionially created evil then..Why?
yes God did indeed create evil, he gave all free will , so it was needful to create something to choose between.
"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock
I will build my church..." (Matthew 16:18)

But he turned, and said unto Peter. Get thee behind me Satan:
thou art an offence unto me. for thou savourest not the things
that be of God, but those that be of man. (Matthew 16:23)

So was the spirit of god on Peter or not?
When God spoke to peter then he was telling him the church would be built on his faith , as he had been restored , it wasnt an immediate date that the church would be built , but telling him what was to come , and when he rebuked him it was because peter was a prideful man in the flesh, and reacted physically and with much force which was not what Jesus wanted of him , it was a rebuke , a chastisement..
And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it." (Deuteronomy 28:63)

He sounds confused..
God had been gracious and merciful to the israelites , although they had murmered and griped the whole time . He was telling them he was fixin to make them realize just who he was, they werent reverencing him .
AND Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel." (I Chronicles 21:1)

"AND again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah." (II Samuel 24:1)

He sounds confused again...Is it Satan or god that provoked David?
you have taken two separate instances, read the whole thing on both of them then come back with it k
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall
not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his
kingdom. (Matthew 16:28)

Didn't happen unless there are some people around today that have not tasted death yet...That would make them pretty old wouldn't you say?
He was speaking in that instance of spiritual death , as they would be with him , and never die, but not all would .
Surely, I come quickly." (Revelation 22:20)

Doesn't quickly mean like quickly?????..It's been awhile..yes?
God operates out of our time frame , he created the essence of time , and one day is as a thousand years to God and vice versa.

debbie i really enjoyed your post here and i will answer them one at a time just as soon as i get some sleep lol

Why does taking the Bible literally not make me humble

Originally posted by mysparrow
Quote:I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

Sounds like god intionially created evil then..Why?
yes God did indeed create evil, he gave all free will , so it was needful .

Why create evil?...If I had a 4 year old who didn't know what evil was, then what be the purpose of testing him?...Adam and Eve didn't even know what punishment, death, disappointment, sin, consequences were....

Originally posted by mysparrow
Quote:I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

Sounds like god intionially created evil then..Why?
yes God did indeed create evil, he gave all free will , so it was needful to create something to choose between.
"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock
I will build my church..." (Matthew 16:18)

But he turned, and said unto Peter. Get thee behind me Satan:
thou art an offence unto me. for thou savourest not the things
that be of God, but those that be of man. (Matthew 16:23)

So was the spirit of god on Peter or not?
When God spoke to peter then he was telling him the church would be built on his faith , as he had been restored , it wasnt an immediate date that the church would be built , but telling him what was to come , and when he rebuked him it was because peter was a prideful man in the flesh, and reacted physically and with much force which was not what Jesus wanted of him , it was a rebuke , a chastisement..
And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it." (Deuteronomy 28:63)

Surely, I come quickly." (Revelation 22:20)

Doesn't quickly mean like quickly?????..It's been awhile..yes?
God operates out of our time frame , he created the essence of time , and one day is as a thousand years to God and vice versa.

OK....Why would a loving god create evil?

I like the gnostics view of evil best.Simply that evil must exist.It's not a product of God or anything else.Their's good and evil but together that's good.

Kinda like peanut and chocolate make Reese's...and that's good.. 😄

I believe there are polarities in everything...Just a more natural process.

Originally posted by tragic mulatto
Many people dont belive Jesus is God (by nature). What do you think.

Yes, but so am I, and so are you.

okie dokie

...if you say so. You know what it is, it's so easy to just be spoon fed from one book then to take the time to research the origin of its contents. It's just like fast food, we know what we want to eat, we order it and devour it, how many of us ask the cashier for a list of ingredients so we can check the contents of what we just put into our bodies? and why should we? after all the marketing company made a commercial telling us it's an all beef patty.....

Originally posted by debbiejo
OK....Why would a loving god create evil?

Originally posted by finti
it is your attitude toward certain posters here that doesnt make you humble

Originally posted by sonnet
The Bible says everything comes from God. Lets look at how evil first came into the world.... by a heavenly angel ,created by God, that got greedy and rebelled against authority (that reminds us a lot of many people's reaction to God today) and became evil known as Satan

There are older religions that also have different names for Satan...Satan was created by religions for control and misunderstanding...Yes I do believe that something created in some form everything...but we have choice that would be either positive or negative...

If there was a god sitting on a thrown, then WHY, just why knowing all that would hold for the world create evil on purpose for suffering????...It's myth stories....Study your myths from around the world....

Even many older goddess religions had sacred symbols such as snakes, cats, fruit (tree of knowledge) Oh and can't remember right now, and see how the Male dominated church made them into satanic and evil objects...Even Paul placed women as evil...A council was held to see if women even had a soul?????

Why do people always expect christians to keep quiet about their faith and God and the Bible but non christians can go around making crude jokes, blasheme, use foul language etc but if we stand up for what we believe then we are not humble

Originally posted by finti
well it is those rules of yours that makes people expect it, if not they dont follow their own precious rules

Originally posted by debbiejo
...Even Paul placed women as evil...A council was held to see if women even had a soul?????

Well then you do not know our rules, because the Bible does not teach us to keep our faith quiet

And if we are with people making rude conversation or blaspheme against God and we keep quiet, then it is as if we agree with them. So it is our duty to let people know.