Jesus Christ

I do not consider myself part of those christians who are constantly confused by sermons and churches who conform scripture to what they want to, so I cannot use US. I am a christian who has accepted Jesus as the Saviour, believes the word of God and studies the Bible to grow spiritually and are not dependant on a church.

I am saying what the Bible teaches us. You either believe it and live by it or disregard it and live as you want to.

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Originally posted by finti
so what would be the closest denomination toward the way you see it then, who could you identify yourself with

you take the bible litterally

Originally posted by sonnet
As I said before, I am not bound to a denomination, I identify myself with Jesus Christ who died for me. Any true christian knows that the Bible says we are to become like Christ so that others will see Him living in us, Not some church. Through Christ I am part of the Kingdom of God so that is how people should be able to identify me.
And yes, I take the Bible literally for it tells us that it is the word of God written by men inspired by the Spirit of God. So every thing in the Bible is true because it comes from God.

But sonnet how can it be an inspired word of god when you look at how it was all put together?....You've looked at the links I've posted right?...And do you think that if someone left the faith that they are once saved always saved, or are they just lost forever???😕

Originally posted by debbiejo
But sonnet how can it be an inspired word of god when you look at how it was all put together?....You've looked at the links I've posted right?...And do you think that if someone left the faith that they are once saved always saved, or are they just lost forever???😕

And yes, I take the Bible literally for it tells us that it is the word of God written by men inspired by the Spirit of God. So every thing in the Bible is true because it comes from God

And no one is lost forever unless they died without accepting Christ

Originally posted by sonnet
. I do not believe the claims that the Catholic church changed the original scriptures because christiandom started long before that church was founded, the Torah existed long before then also and many well known documants like the dead sea scrolls contains parts of the books of the Torah that are literally unchanged in context

The dead sea scrolls are copies of OT Torah Isiah I think it is....a Jewish religion...not NT....the NT has been altered.....

kinda funny how paul supposedly never met Jesus but yet he spoke of nothing but him , telling everyone not to look on him but on the one he followed , not bad for someone who never lived huh? Oh , and for the record Saul, later named Paul HEARD Jesus speak to him on the road to Damascus and knew it was him for he called him Lord , and Jesus identified himself to him , thus the conversion on the road to Damascus . If Jesus had never been , then Pauls ministry was in vain because he preached about a myth , and must have been dilusional by hearing his voice . So sad that people will willingly admit there was a Paul but not the Lord and Saviour of the World.

In history it was proper to use the word Lord all the time when dealing with any type of what is perceived as authority.

Originally posted by mysparrow
kinda funny how paul supposedly never met Jesus but yet he spoke of nothing but him , telling everyone not to look on him but on the one he followed , not bad for someone who never lived huh? Oh , and for the record Saul, later named Paul HEARD Jesus speak to him on the road to Damascus and knew it was him for he called him Lord , and Jesus identified himself to him , thus the conversion on the road to Damascus . If Jesus had never been , then Pauls ministry was in vain because he preached about a myth , and must have been dilusional by hearing his voice . So sad that people will willingly admit there was a Paul but not the Lord and Saviour of the World.

You have it all wrong.It was not in vain but it was a myth.By taking the Jesus story as fact the true essence of Christianity has lost a great deal of value and has been the cause of a lot of war and hatred.We look at myths a lot differently than they did back then.Today we think myths as something that are false and on par with Fairy Tales.People like Plato saw myths as ways of opening up the mind.

I think Buddhists think the same way...

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Here's a very interesting article that questions whether the historical Jesus ever existed.

http://www.jdstone.org/truth/files/j_myth.html

I've read it through and it really makes me ponder -- Is Jesus a collaborated myth from various pagan beliefs?

no he was real. The greatest thing about Chirst, was the fact that he allowed himsefl open for questioning. I will read it and prove counter points for the counter points it proved. With that, you can read and see that the only thing this writer did was find credible evidence to disprove historical events. I can do the same thing, except against his points.

[To me all this proved was the guy/girl had a lot of time on his hands.

Originally posted by mr.smiley
You have it all wrong.It was not in vain but it was a myth.By taking the Jesus story as fact the true essence of Christianity has lost a great deal of value and has been the cause of a lot of war and hatred.We look at myths a lot differently than they did back then.Today we think myths as something that are false and on par with Fairy Tales.People like Plato saw myths as ways of opening up the mind.

Originally posted by mysparrow
kinda funny how paul supposedly never met Jesus but yet he spoke of nothing but him , telling everyone not to look on him but on the one he followed , not bad for someone who never lived huh? Oh , and for the record Saul, later named Paul HEARD Jesus speak to him on the road to Damascus and knew it was him for he called him Lord , and Jesus identified himself to him , thus the conversion on the road to Damascus . If Jesus had never been , then Pauls ministry was in vain because he preached about a myth , and must have been dilusional by hearing his voice . So sad that people will willingly admit there was a Paul but not the Lord and Saviour of the World.

I never said there couldn't be a person named Jesus, though not what is portrayed in scripture...When Paul speaks of Christ, he is speaking since he was a gnostic, of the goodness of god being inside you...Kinda like Many beliefs today..."The Mysteries of Christ" is big in Pauls teachings, and it is a gnostic teaching.

Originally posted by mysparrow
doesnt dismiss the fact that paul HEARD Jesus and Jesus told him who he was . Myth is what it is , and we have free will to choose whether to believe it or not , i choose to believe , you may not , but it is on you if im correct , ive lost nothing by believing . 🙂

I belive too.Just in something different.By that I belive it is you who has lost and I who have gained.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I never said there couldn't be a person named Jesus, though not what is portrayed in scripture...When Paul speaks of Christ, he is speaking since he was a gnostic, of the goodness of god being inside you...Kinda like Many beliefs today..."The Mysteries of Christ" is big in Pauls teachings, and it is a gnostic teaching.

Paul also talks about how if Christ would have lived on earth.He never speaks in the historical sense.You know all that though.How he talked about the secret was Christ was in you,yadda,yadda,yadda.

Originally posted by mr.smiley
Paul also talks about how if Christ would have lived on earth.He never speaks in the historical sense.

You know, now that you mention it, I think your right...... 😄

There are special people on that rainbow bus....yup..

Yeah.He says if Christ would have been on earth he wouldn't have been a rabi (or would have,i can't remember exactly which one.)If Paul would have been talking about a real historic person,he would have said it a different way.It's funny how a lot of his letters where forgeries,yet the ones denied by the church prove to be the most authentic.

I hear he could of been mistaken or perhaps been a rebel kind of guy too...But perhaps the name "Jesus" was a common name...And since they didn't use last names, but the cities/towns they came from...Well, who knows...

But the gnostics differently knew he wasn't a real person...And Paul was a gnostic.

Originally posted by finti
you really take it litterally huh, guess you missed out on the humble part then

so Satan too can be saved then