Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
🙂 yes the place of Jean Grey is gone and noone grasps what the Phoenix is except GS 😂 and maybe Cresh 😕❌
So how wrong is Demi GS 🙂
Because Phoenix is my fave character i have all of her comic book appearances so of course im going to know more about her than those who come across her by chance in the titles they subscribe to. The Phoenix/Jean relationship is made quite clear in both Endsong and New Xmen its just that not everyone here has read those titles and those that have never picked up on the retcon and it was overlooked because they understandably have the long running 86 retcon firmly planted in their heads. 🙂
Originally posted by yahman
Yes I suppose your right.... seeing as interpretations are more valid than stated facts and pictures. 😕
No, facts and pictures are more valid. Like Hyperstorm not having showings as powerful as Franklin, or descendants of Jean not having Phoenix power. 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
There you go again. Youre not quite grasping just what Phoenix is. The whole point of Endsong was to establish that as per current continuity and in accordance with the original ideas behind the concept, Jean literally is Phoenix. There is no phoenix force entity. Jean as her mutation taps into the power of creation and that makes her phoenix. The firebird is just a physical manifestation of her power and is symbolic of her rebirth into a higher being. Jean is the one that has an integral role in creation. The Crown guides her in her work and it is from the crown where her power comes from. No Galactus wasnt talking to himelf Galactus was talking to Jean. She has always been Phoenix she just didnt know it. That was established in New Xmen.
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mm. Well then, I guess the Phoenix Force just got its ass kicked by Xorneto, didn't she? No skin off my back...
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Because Phoenix is my fave character i have all of her comic book appearances so of course im going to know more about her than those who come across by chance in the titles they subscribe to. The Phoenix/Jean relationship is made quite clear in both Endsong and New Xmen its just that not everyone here has read those titles and those that have never picked up on the retcon and it was overlooked because they understandabl the long running 86 retcon is firmly planted in their heads. 🙂
and ya Pho beat mag it's silly
Originally posted by demigawd
No, facts and pictures are more valid. Like Hyperstorm not having showings as powerful as Franklin, or descendants of Jean not having Phoenix power. 😉???
mm. Well then, I guess the Phoenix Force just got its ass kicked by Xorneto, didn't she? No skin off my back...
There is no phoenix force entity just Jean reaching the stage of ultimate mutation which makes her one with creation and a representative of the Crown. Jean got punked because her presence in that reality was not required for her to fulfill her work. Otherwise she would have defended herself. Either way yes Phoenix can be beaten just like Lucifer and so on can be beaten as i have shown through scans. But its all dependent on the circumstances
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
There is no phoenix force entity just Jean reaching the stage of ultimate mutation which makes her one with creation and a representative of the Crown. Jean got punked because her Presence in that reality was not required for her to fulfill her work. Otherwise she would have defended herself. Either way yes Phoenix can be beaten just like Lucifer and so on can be beaten as i have shown through scans. But its all deoendent on the circumstances
Is their an off button?
Originally posted by demigawd
No, facts and pictures are more valid. Like Hyperstorm not having showings as powerful as Franklin, or descendants of Jean not having Phoenix power. 😉
And I quote 'He inherited the both psionic powers of his father and the cosmic power of the phoenix force'
Sounds like a fact to me.
And if we are going over the whole Feat thing again, we decided that the remaking the universe did not quantify her as being second only to the 'crown'😆. There where various examples of characters performing similar feats, yet we are supposed to believe that Phoenix is above them all? 🙂 Using your reasoning Demi, I believe not. 🙂
Originally posted by yahman
And I quote 'He inherited the both psionic powers of his father and the cosmic power of the phoenix force'Sounds like a fact to me.
And if we are going over the whole Feat thing again, we decided that the remaking the universe did not quantify her as being second only to the 'crown'😆. There where various examples of characters performing similar feats, yet we are supposed to believe that Phoenix is above them all? 🙂 Using your reasoning Demi, I believe not. 🙂
You should believe it for the fact that she is a representative of the Crown who is shown to be responsible for making creation as well as for being one with a power shown to be greater than LT.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You should believe it for the fact that she is a representative of the Crown who is shown to be responsible for making creation as well as for being one with a power shown to be greater than LT.
And a phoenix force Avatar was beaten by Galactus and Magneto. We agree ?