Actually, using stats, shaq averaged better #'s than webber last year or any previous year. pretty much defeats your point..
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Chris Webber avg'd more
Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals
and shot a higher
3pt%, FT%
while averaging less turnovers and fouls per game
how is Shaq's #s better?
yeah, and MANAGING the floor has a lot to do with making your players around you better,
Can you even name a player off the 99-00 Supersonics? Vs. Marion and Amare who were already stars before Nash got there (well Marion was but Amare was on pace but was sidelined by injury).
which nash is better than payton at doing.
Not really, considering that the Mavs got better without Nash and the Suns only got better because of their terrible PG being replaced by Nash.
and about defense, you sorta have to factor in the fact that the suns team is about run and gun and not playing much defense.
Which is one of the many reasons they will never win a Ship
oh and are you telling me Payton in his prime couldn't play on a run-n-gun while still being shutdown?
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it's not so much that nash is a bad defender.
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about kobe, not true, because kobe is a sg, not a pg,
Okay fine let's just sub in
Arenas
AI
Francis (from two years ago not this guy who's playing now)
Marbury
Bibby
etc etc etc
all, using your AWESOME logic, are inferior scorers.
what do playoff calibur teams have to do with one's potential to become MVP?
Remind me, who was the last person who was named MVP who's team didn't even make the playoffs?
People could have easily picked LeBron or Dwyane with their supreme seasons,
Shaq finishing second in MVP voting just a season earlier kinda nullifies Wade and LeBron was your ONE good example.
ok, but shaq's career was better, and thats all that matters to you, huh.
allen averages A LOT more points than James, while gary payton not much more than nash. Bad example, makes you look foolish.
and dirk, dwyane, and kobe not on playoff calibur teams? which is your one standard. nash had as much competition as payton. it's illiogical to say one year, mvp candidate competition was less than another. and what...gary payton never won an MVP, while Nash won 2.
yeah and the only way payton wins a championship is by being a wuss and hitchhiking from great team to great team in order to slack off and let the superstars to all the dirty work. at least nash has the dignity to lead a sucky team to almost to the finals.
marion and amare are not nearly as productive without nash. who do you think most of nash's assists go to? exactly.
Originally posted by RecSpecs110
ok, but shaq's career was better, and thats all that matters to you, huh.
No, dumbass, this all about you and your T-Mac is higher on the top 10 then Ray because he was better 3 years ago garbage.
allen averages A LOT more points than James, while gary payton not much more than nash. Bad example, makes you look foolish.
Fine, change Allen Iverson to Gilbert Arenas and you have the about a 2 point difference between their best scoring years and GP and Nash's top scoring years. You telling me James > GA?
and dirk, dwyane, and kobe not on playoff calibur teams?
What?
nash had as much competition as payton.
Yup, because Dirk, Dwyane, Kobe, and LeBron (one having another MVP candidate on his team and another having a barely playoff calibur team btw) REALLY compare to Shaq (in his prime), Malone, Jordan, KG, TD, Kidd, etc etc etc. Oh, and let's not forget, GP also had to compete against Uber-Nash-with-defense (John Stockton) as well.
d what...gary payton never won an MVP, while Nash won 2.
Nash barely beat an aging Shaq and a 3rd year player. That's some topnotch comp right thurrr.
yeah and the only way payton wins a championship is by being a wuss and hitchhiking from great team to great team in order to slack off and let the superstars to all the dirty work.
The same way Nash will win a Ship, if he ever wins one (doubt he will). And let's not forget that his best teams aren't ever going to go up against a Jordan team either (like GP's did).
at least nash has the dignity to lead a sucky team to almost to the finals.
Nash has never lead a sucky team to almost the finals as all of his teams have been good.
marion and amare are not nearly as productive without nash.
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Marion was putting up the same numbers without Nash and Amare was a ROOKIE OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL his first season and INJURED the year before Nash came in, of course his #s are going to be higher with Nash.
no, this is you contradicting yourself saying older players are worse and then saying players with long careers are better because they have proven themselves over many years. i'm not disagreeing that webber put up a little better #'s than shaq last season, but whoever calls him better than shaq overall is a plain moron, which you obviously are. i mean its a perfect fit for you. calling miles > russell, and then now webber > shaq. try a little reverse pshycology and you'll look less of a complete idiot.
nash still helped marion and amare out a lot more than GP in his prime would do. the only 2 things i'll give payton over nash are defensive quickness and a giant mouth. (he can acutally relate to you)
Originally posted by RecSpecs110
no, this is you contradicting yourself saying older players are worse and then saying players with long careers are better because they have proven themselves over many years.
No, dumbass, this is showing you how retarded your T-Mac has a better career then Ray therefore he's better then Ray as of now logic is.
i'm not disagreeing that webber put up a little better #'s than shaq last season, but whoever calls him better than shaq overall is a plain moron,
I'm glad you finally came to terms with your disorder.
which you obviously are. i mean its a perfect fit for you. calling miles > russell,
Which he is.
and then now webber > shaq. try a little reverse pshycology and you'll look less of a complete idiot.
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nash still helped marion and amare out a lot more than GP in his prime would do.
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and a giant mouth. (he can acutally relate to you)
Yup, especially considering I read every one of my posts outloud before I hit the submit reply button.
Firstly, we're saying that if GP in his prime switched with Nash, GP wouldnt be able to get to within a shot of the finals, especially without amare. and why bring up the fact that GP won a championship last year. HE SUCKED. He was the bench warmer. If anyone deserves the credit for that championship, its dwyane wade, dwyane wade, dwyane wade. Do me a favor and show me some common sense within that thick skull of yours before you mention GP's name in honor of winning last year's championship.
Second, yeah he spent 13 seasons with seattle, but seattle was a great team. why would he want out? only when seattle delined a few years ago he says, "oh no, my career is almost over, i gotta sign with a championship team and get a ring fast!" and it doesnt matter how long you stay with a team, once you do that, it demises your integrity. thats why i depise those people like Zo. Its ok if you want to go to a good team and contribute, but these losers sign, and then they warm the bench with smiles on their faces, knowing that they're one step closer to the ring that people like DWYANE WADE should be acknowledged for winning.
Originally posted by RecSpecs110
Firstly, we're saying that if GP in his prime switched with Nash, GP wouldnt be able to get to within a shot of the finals, especially without amare.
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and why bring up the fact that GP won a championship last year. HE SUCKED. He was the bench warmer. If anyone deserves the credit for that championship, its dwyane wade, dwyane wade, dwyane wade. Do me a favor and show me some common sense within that thick skull of yours before you mention GP's name in honor of winning last year's championship.
What the **** are you talking about?
Second, yeah he spent 13 seasons with seattle, but seattle was a great team. why would he want out? only when seattle delined a few years ago he says,
He was traded.....for Ray Allen at that 😉
Its ok if you want to go to a good team and contribute, but these losers sign, and then they warm the bench with smiles on their faces, knowing that they're one step closer to the ring that people like DWYANE WADE should be acknowledged for winning.
Did you just imply that Zo wasn't a big part to Miami's winning the Ship?
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Originally posted by RecSpecs110
Firstly, we're saying that if GP in his prime switched with Nash, GP wouldnt be able to get to within a shot of the finals, especially without amare.
In 1996, Payton went to the Finals with what I consider to be a worse team than what Nash had.
Example (top 4 of each team minus GP and Nash):
2005 Suns
Amare
Marion
Johnson
Richardson
1996 Sonics
Kemp
Schrempf
Hawkins
Perkins
myth, i was talking about last year's suns team. last year the suns almost beat the mavs to get to the finals. they did not have amare due to injury, and neither johnson nor richardson. instead, diaw, bell, and kurt thomas. not such a great team, huh? i'd say those sonics had more talent than the 2006 playoff suns. the suns just played so great, mostly because of nash. so in the end, nash is better, unless you are a fan of a hitchhiker who barely did a thing last year and still got a ring.