again, y would u even count his stats in toronto when he said he didnt give an effort. if ur going to count stats count his stats in new jersey. and even if he played less games it doesnt matter, because that would not make a difference on a players AVERAGE. u could play 20 games in a season and AVERAGE 40ppg, it doesnt make a difference fatigue wise.
look at him this season, the reason he is averaging less points is pretty obvious. richard jefferson is in the lineup.
last thing fabled pussy, what do u have to say about the facts i gave u??? player of the month for february... breaking the record for most consecutive 20 point games by any net in history, at 22, and having the second place guy at 14, winning the player of the month for february, the month after hes traded, winning player of the week numerous times, making the game tieing shot at the buzzer against miami in game 4 of the playoffs, carrying the nets on his back to beat out cleveland for the final playoff spot, winning 14 of their last 19 games. forget the other stuff u have no idea what ur talking about... lets talk records, and awards.
Originally posted by tanjot
last thing fabled pussy
That was not necessary.
Anyway, all-star is based on the season, not the month right before all-star break. That is why Carter didn't deserve to go to the all-star game last year. Also, Fabled didn't say VC averaged 24.5 on the Nets. He had his stats right. He was assuming you looked at the 24.5 average for the season as what VC was averaging by all-star break. I personally didn't know where you (tanjot) got 24 ppg by all-star break and thought thats what you did myself. I just didn't mention it because I wasn't sure if thats what you did or not. Also, you mentioned VC being player of the month for February. That has nothing to do with making the all-star team because the teams were selected at the beginning of February. Same thing with the making the playoff thing and hitting the shot against Miami. That all happened AFTER the all-star game making it pointless to mention in the current argument as to whether or not VC should have been on the all-star team last year.
Just to clear some things up that is.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Tanjot,Vince Carter is the fable pussy. I cant believe you support the guy considering he is a motherboy and crybaby, has no heart (Us canadians know something about heart), and has phantom injuries that great players like Jordan would still play in.
i am canadian too... and i have lost a lot of respect for his as a person, but none as a player, and myth i still dont understand what u mean, i said that he averaged 24ppg going into the all star game AS A NET, not on the season. thats what i have been saying the whole time. i do not look at his season average with his average in toronto bringing him down(somewhere he obviously didnt give an effort). i look at the average where i know he scored to his potential, and that is with the nets at 27.5ppg on the season. he was always one of the top 5 scorers in the playoffs last year, when i checked after the nets got sweeped. and even in toronto, i remember when he set a playoff record in game 6 in the second round of the playoffs against allen iverson and the philadelphia 76ers for most consecutive 3 pointers made... AND... most 3 pointer in a half : standing at 8 3 pointers for both. unfortuantely he didnt shoot many 3s in the second half and ended up with 9 3pointers. but he did finish with 50 points. and the raptors won.
Originally posted by Myth
That was not necessary.Anyway, all-star is based on the season, not the month right before all-star break. That is why Carter didn't deserve to go to the all-star game last year. Also, Fabled didn't say VC averaged 24.5 on the Nets. He had his stats right. He was assuming you looked at the 24.5 average for the season as what VC was averaging by all-star break. I personally didn't know where you (tanjot) got 24 ppg by all-star break and thought thats what you did myself. I just didn't mention it because I wasn't sure if thats what you did or not. Also, you mentioned VC being player of the month for February. That has nothing to do with making the all-star team because the teams were selected at the beginning of February. Same thing with the making the playoff thing and hitting the shot against Miami. That all happened AFTER the all-star game making it pointless to mention in the current argument as to whether or not VC should have been on the all-star team last year.
Just to clear some things up that is.
If both commentators for the all star game say that since the trade vince has more than earned the starting spot, then i think i am right.
Originally posted by tanjot
i dont know where u got those stats from, going into the all star game vince was averaging around 24ppg, and finished the season with an average of 27.5ppg. the way he was playing, breaking records within his first month in new jersey for most consecutive 20 point games at like 22, and scoring back to back 40 point games, winning player of the week like 3 times, and winning player of the month for december, vince EASILY deserved to be in the starting lineup last year over wade and redd.
Tanjot - Just for the record, this was your first post about his average going into the all-star game. As you can see, you didn't say he was averaging 24 on the Nets, you said he was averaging around 24 ppg and when somebody says that, they usually mean for the season. Although I do see how you could mean at the time.
And its fine if the commentators said that. They aren't perfect either though.
And again, you are talking playoffs again. All-star is determined based on THAT season, not what has happened in previous seasons and playoffs.
What needs to happen to get this thread back on track? Tanjot just understand that not everyone (in fact nobody) rates Carter as highly as you. Nobody is saying you cant continue your love affair with him but every NBA thread at the moment is basically the same thing, you saying how great he is and everyone else disagreeing. Just for my own curiosity what team do you follow? Are you a Nets fan as well or just a Carter fan?
Personally i would rate Vince as the joint 5th best SG in the league. Thats not to piss you off but it just to show how opinions can differ.
1.Kobe
2.A.I.
3.T-Mac
4.Wade
5.Carter/Pierce
Originally posted by koolruningz
What needs to happen to get this thread back on track? Tanjot just understand that not everyone (in fact nobody) rates Carter as highly as you. Nobody is saying you cant continue your love affair with him but every NBA thread at the moment is basically the same thing, you saying how great he is and everyone else disagreeing. Just for my own curiosity what team do you follow? Are you a Nets fan as well or just a Carter fan?
Personally i would rate Vince as the joint 5th best SG in the league. Thats not to piss you off but it just to show how opinions can differ.
1.Kobe
2.A.I.
3.T-Mac
4.Wade
5.Carter/Pierce
about the love affair (way to be sarcastic)
i am a fan of whatever team vince is on, i am still a raptors fan because that is my home team. i dont care whether or no a lot of people in these threads agree. but he is a VERY- VERY underrated player... i mean look at the game today, vince scored 27 points in the win and had a triple double. but vince will b overlooked because if wade's highligh ghlight was better than his. i dont know what it is with miami, but vince always seems to have a really good game against em and end up on sportscenter with the #1 highlight.
Originally posted by Numan
Oops I meant Amare.
I know, I was just teasing.
tanjot - I don't think Carter is underrated. He gets the credit that is due to him. You just overrate him. Carter did have a great game today. In fact, the Nets as a whole played great but Carter was definitely the star of the day. If you really pay attention to the analysts, they don't give credit to people for simply having a better highlight real. They actually give props to whoever played well, especially if their team wins. So Wade won't get as much recognition this game, although Shaq might for just playing really bad.
ok, let me put it another way, carter is not underrated, but he is not as highly recognized as he used to be when he was in the raptors... and now that he is having one of the best season of his career, he is not even in the top 10 in voting for the all star game where as in season where he only played 58 games, he was the #1 votegetter by far....and if he was a raptors and was having this type of season i know he would have been more highly recognized because canada would not hate him as much. i dont blame him as much as all other canadian raptor fans because he did and didnt have a good reason to leave. that is what many canadians r not ready to admit. the raptors didnt satisfie his needs because he wanted julius erving as the new gm, and they didnt even ask him before they went out and got rob babcock- the worst gm in history, who gave away vince for nothing, and chose hafael araujo over andre iguodala as a first round draft pick. even without vince, the raptors r messing up the team themselves...when did they fire rob babcock?? when he finally starts making decent trades and drafts two good players in the first round. so as far as his status as a player goes...if he did not give up on toronto, and people did not lose so much respect for him he would b stated a top 5 player and a potential mvp candidate.
As had already been said, Carter is now considered a SG. In the East, the G position is more competitive than the Eastern F position. People acknowledge that Carter is better now than he used to be. Isn't that enough for you? Does he have to be everybodies favorite? Its fine that you are a big fan of his, but that does not mean everybody else has to be too. I think if Carter was considered a SG in the past, Iverson still would have beat him in voting. Its just that Carter had less competition in his old position. Also, another factor was the Canada thing. Canadians often freak out when something of theirs is acknowledged. Almost everybody in Canada voted for Carter. Now he no longer has that fan support.