Top 10 NBA players

Originally posted by tanjot
.if he did not give up on toronto, and people did not lose so much respect for him he would b stated a top 5 player and a potential mvp candidate.

As for this part...
First you need to be better DEFENSIVELY before you are top five. Another thing would be to prove that you are good enough individually to carry a team to a really good record. 24 and 21 is a pretty good record, but its still underachieving considering the team also has Mr. Triple-Double, Richard Jefferson, a decent big man in Krstic, and a defensive specialist in Uncle Cliffy.

the nets certainly should be doing a bit better than they are, but theres time for them to go on a run. good to see uncle cliff still playing... i remember a game against the lakers when he was with teh blazers, and it all came down to a free throw and who got the rebound. a mass of bodies swarmed over the ball as shaq missed(no, really!) but c-rob emerged with the ball with a valiant scream of satisfaction. just one of those moments i've never forgotton.

remember arvydas sabonis? what a legend. one of the best passers who played center. and in his prime before the nba? may have been better than hakeem.

Yeah, I always dream about what would've happened had we had Sabas in his prime with Drexler and Porter in their prime.

Uh oh, Tanjot's online. Vince Carter post in 5.... 4.... 3.... 2.....

Originally posted by Myth
As for this part...
First you need to be better DEFENSIVELY before you are top five. Another thing would be to prove that you are good enough individually to carry a team to a really good record. 24 and 21 is a pretty good record, but its still underachieving considering the team also has Mr. Triple-Double, Richard Jefferson, a decent big man in Krstic, and a defensive specialist in Uncle Cliffy.

LOL. WOW. did u just say mr. triple double, richard jefferson???... i think what u meant to say was jason kidd. and about vince carrying a team by himself, he has proven he can do that through his first 3 seasons in the nba, from getting the raps to their first playoff birth and getting sweeped by the knicks, to beating the knicks in the first round of the playoffs the very next year and making it withing A SHOT of reaching the eastern conference finals in game 7 against the sixers. after that, there were injuries, injuries, and more injuries. vince isnt a great defensive player but he is improving, which is not always backed up by stats. i mean hey look at larry hughes, last year he led the league in steals, but defensive stats r not always proof of how good a defender u r, and i make a good point of that with larry hughes. even with the nets, looking at last season when new jersey was going nowhere with rj and j kidd. then rj gets injured, but vince steps in. vince proved last year how valuable a player he is by putting the nets on his back to win 14 of their last 19 games, and beat out cleveland for the final playoff spot. without vince, the nets would have been nowhere near the playoffs.

Originally posted by Myth
Uh oh, Tanjot's online. Vince Carter post in 5.... 4.... 3.... 2.....

im responding to something u said... and it involves vince.

First, there is two ways of reading what I wrote. The way you read it and the way it was meant by simply substituting Mr Triple Double in for Kidd's name since he has in the past been referred to as that. I figured you were smart enough to realize which was it was being used by I was wrong.

As for Vince leading the Raptors, I believe a lot of his pouting before getting traded were due to the fact that his team wasn't winning. As for putting the Nets on his back? Please. He did very very well but Kidd and Carter compliment each other. You can't just pin that on Vince.

Originally posted by tanjot
im responding to something u said... and it involves vince.

Yeah, but even if it wasn't in response, you would have found something to say about him. EVERYBODY, and I mean EVERYBODY but you brings up multiple subjects. You have a one man obsession. Even my response was in response to you of course.

Originally posted by Myth
As had already been said, Carter is now considered a SG. In the East, the G position is more competitive than the Eastern F position. People acknowledge that Carter is better now than he used to be. Isn't that enough for you? Does he have to be everybodies favorite? Its fine that you are a big fan of his, but that does not mean everybody else has to be too. I think if Carter was considered a SG in the past, Iverson still would have beat him in voting. Its just that Carter had less competition in his old position. Also, another factor was the Canada thing. Canadians often freak out when something of theirs is acknowledged. Almost everybody in Canada voted for Carter. Now he no longer has that fan support.

i didnt say u have 2 admire carter, i am just trying to make a point, afterall that is what these threads ara all about...discussions and debates. Canada does not FREAK OUT when something of ours is acknowledged, the thing is in the nba, there is only one canadian team, and basketball is our weakness in terms of talented players, hockey is our strength UNFORTUNATELY, because i hate hockey and to me it is a very very boring sport xcept for the checks and the fights. another thing about us freaking out, if america had its first american born mvp in the nba in 2005, they would have gone crazy about it just as much as canada did with steve nash. its not like vince got blown out by wade, i mean despite not getting A LOT of votes from canada he was behind about...2000 votes, and around the world that number is NOTHING. i know if only half of canada voted for vince he would have gotten the starting spot over wade.

Canada does get really excited if something they are not normally acknowledged for is acknowledged. You even said Canada went crazy for Nash when he won MVP. I'm not denying that U.S. wouldn't also flip out if we got our first U.S. born MVP and I'm not saying that it shouldn't be expected of Canada to be excited. They have every right to be just like China is allowed to have their Yao craze since they don't have much to root for in the NBA. But we have and are used to it so we don't vote for things because we no longer care if a non-U.S. citizen wins because we will still win a lot in the future.

olowokandi is the british hope😄 (sarcasm, in case someone doesnt get it)

man... clyde drexlar in his portland days.... there many sweeter things than watching the glyde fly down the lane for a jam. hows young bassie doing in portland? i've heard theres a lot of hope on his shoulders to grow with randolph to become a good two-punch... ala la stockton malone. have to respect those guys.

probably a couple of players who most deserved to win a title who didnt, along woth charles barkley. i dont think i've seen him mentioned here, not many chuckster fans huh?😛

Telfair has been a huge disappointment this year. It was expected to be his blow out year and instead Steve Blake replaced him as starting PG and rookie Jarrett Jack is #2 PG so Telfair barely even plays now. He did play pretty good today but Telfair is a shoot first player and he has been dead off with tonight as an exception (5-8, 14 pts, 5 asts, 3 TO, 23 min). He needs to work on ball handling too. He gets a lot of turnovers. Luckily Blake and Dixon have fit in well which is a big reason that the Blazers have been playing very well recently. They lost by 1 to the Nuggets today btw.

yeah i noticed... wasnt gonna mention it tho lol. its a painful game to lose... but its better to lose by a close amount than a 30point blow out. at least theres some excitement before the disappointment. i think the thing with telfair is the whole new york point guard thing, and slam is guilty for it. everytime a point gaurd from the area comes up they seem to think hes gonna be the next big thing... and it hasnt been. stephon is the last that has been good, but i dont think hes got the right mind set to be a winner, whereas kenny anderson was more of a passer who could score, not a scorer who could pass.

Don't forget Telfair is in the same gene pool as Marbury too. They played against each other a lot in the past and Telfair will be very talented. I just want him to become more of a pass first guy.

Originally posted by Myth
Canada does get really excited if something they are not normally acknowledged for is acknowledged. You even said Canada went crazy for Nash when he won MVP. I'm not denying that U.S. wouldn't also flip out if we got our first U.S. born MVP and I'm not saying that it shouldn't be expected of Canada to be excited. They have every right to be just like China is allowed to have their Yao craze since they don't have much to root for in the NBA. But we have and are used to it so we don't vote for things because we no longer care if a non-U.S. citizen wins because we will still win a lot in the future.

who created basketball?? james naismith layfield. what was he?? a canadian. so if it were not for us, we would not be talking about this right now. thats right, if not for a CANADIAN no dunk contests, no 3 point shootouts, no all star games, no basketball, no nba.

Whoooooooooooo cares? That has nothing to do with the argument at hand.

i've read that telfair is a cousin of marburys, and that they lived in the same apartment block in coney island.

1.????
2.Bart Simpson
3.Milhouse
4.Your Mum
5. Penis man
6. Chuck noland
7.Mount kilimanjaro
8. Bender
9.wankal wankstain
10.osama bin laden

i dont know any NBA players (cos i live in the uk)

so do i... no excuse! and there is a player called bender. tho i think he recently retired.

Originally posted by darth_royke
i've read that telfair is a cousin of marburys, and that they lived in the same apartment block in coney island.

Sounds about right. All I know is they are cousins and grew up playing ball with each other a lot so I knew they lived near.