Originally posted by TFVercetti
Big Ben is all right but Prince is too good.
WHOA. tayshaun prince a top 10 player? lol. c this is one of those posts that i look at and laugh. tayshaun is not a top 10 player, he is a role player, like mike james is to the toronto raptors, and like richard jefferson is to the nets.
A role player can have more than one job though too. Robert Horry is a role player and his job is both clutch plays and defense.
However, I too would not claim Jefferson and Prince as role players. They are key players or stars. Not superstars and not all-stars (well, borderline all-stars), but they are certainly above the role player status.
Originally posted by koolruningz
No a role player is a player that does one specific job on the team. Are you saying that Prince and Jefferson are one dimensional players?
no im not saying that they are one dimensional players but they are not all stars or superstars. tayshaun prince is not going to be the main guy, when they have rasheed wallace, rip hamilton, chauncey billups, and ben wallace. he easily is not a top 10 player, so ru telling me he is better than kobe? no. iverson? no. vince? no. pierce? no. and there are plenty of other players i can name that are better than tayshaun, that is what i was trying to prove. players such as tayshaun, ginobili, lamar odom(who is supposed to be a good role player but has been doing nothing), and others.
First off the dude didnt say Prince was top 10, he just said he was "too good". Second it was on the first page and you wait this long to dig it up and rip into him? Last it all comes down to opinion, he may feel the same way about Prince as you do Carter.
Now if you read my post i didnt say Prince or Jefferson were top 10, i objected to them being labeled role players - which they are not. Prince is a solid player, plays great defense and can score at a decent rate from outside and in the post. That doesnt sound like a role player to me, when i think of role player i think John Paxon (shooter), Rodman (rebounder, defense) they have a role and they dont play outside of it. Jefferson a role player? I dont think so, he can score inside and out , plays solid D and is an decent rebounder. That to me sounds like a pretty complete game. Problem is we are all wowed by the "superstars" of the league and we call anything else a role player.
Myth, when Horry starts playing defense you let me know. 😛
Rodman was constant though. I think of a role player as used very limited but at certain times, he is counted on to do one job (like Kerr getting a few 3's in a game). Rodman you count on for rebounds an entire game which is why I don't think of him as a role player. He also was very good defensively throughout the whole game.
the heat gave up a good role player in damon jones, because they were a better team with him than they now are without him. he provides them a deadly outside shot, because he is a very good role player. d wade cannot shoot 3s, and obviously neither can shaq, so when they draw all the attention they kick it out to damon jones and he delivers the dagger as he did so many times to the nets in the first round of the playoffs last year. i gotta say though, all that damon jones and kyle korver do and can do is shoot.
I guess it could be called a grey area at best. I feel that a role player fills a specific need for however long he is in the game be it 5mins or 48, i see where you are coming from though. Its also funny that the first role players we think of come from that Bulls era. They had so many, Paxon, Armstrong, Kerr, Hodges = shooting, Williams, Perdue, King, Wenington = rebound & foul. They really built a great team of complimentary players around Jordan and Pippen.