Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
I feel its the whole point, international law has a right to protect victims of ethnic cleansing - humanity must never forget what the germans did.
Originally posted by Bardock42
the question though is...was it from a legal standpoint justified.......and even more could it even be from a moral standpoint be justified? It's really not aboot what is the Standard today, and although i agree it should never be forgotten it is totally irrelevant for this topic.
Your post makes no sense - people were turned into rope, lampshades and soap - justified are you trying to justify it Bardock? I expect better from you.
Originally posted by Evil DeadAgreed...
well........yeah.......I'm personally sick of everybody referring to the German's genocide against Hebrews as THE holocaust..........when the Europeans began their genocide against the Natives of the Americas hundres of years earlier and resulted in much more death and destruction. What happened in Germany was child's play compared to what happened in the Americas.
Then again........I guess it is looked at as being so important because some Europeans were being killed and not millions upon millions of savages.
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Your post makes no sense - people were turned into rope, lampshades and soap - justified are you trying to justify it Bardock? I expect better from you.
Oh god there are just not enough Brick Walls in this world......
Again Sweetheart.....I don't want to justify it, I get no pleasure fro justifying it...the question is can it be Justified...which it obviously can.....if you don't believe in absolute morals and cannot if you do......
The fact that people might or might not have been turned into Shoe Soap or whatsoever is not important to the case.
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Your post makes no sense - people were turned into rope, lampshades and soap - justified are you trying to justify it Bardock? I expect better from you.
Actually it does...
Can we justify the murder of thousands of people by law - Answer yes.
Can we justify moraly. Yes otherwise it would never have happened.
International law is irrelivant here. Brutal muders and slaughters have happened thousands of times, this time on this specific case would not be any different and it should not be seen as such. If the people do it then its justified in their own eyes.
Can we justify it using our morale? Well depends on what you consider right and wrong. For instance if you are for the death Penalty then yes you can even justify the destruction of an iland, if you are against all kinds of murders then no you can not justify it. You could never justify kiling somebody. However you could show them that you had no choice. It maybe not be justified, but still accepted.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh god there are just not enough Brick Walls in this world......Again Sweetheart.....I don't want to justify it, I get no pleasure fro justifying it...the question is can it be Justified...which it obviously can.....if you don't believe in absolute morals and cannot if you do......
The fact that people might or might not have been turned into Shoe Soap or whatsoever is not important to the case.
I feel it is the case
Originally posted by Fishy
Actually it does...Can we justify the murder of thousands of people by law - Answer yes.
Can we justify moraly. Yes otherwise it would never have happened.
International law is irrelivant here. Brutal muders and slaughters have happened thousands of times, this time on this specific case would not be any different and it should not be seen as such. If the people do it then its justified in their own eyes.
Can we justify it using our morale? Well depends on what you consider right and wrong. For instance if you are for the death Penalty then yes you can even justify the destruction of an iland, if you are against all kinds of murders then no you can not justify it. You could never justify kiling somebody. However you could show them that you had no choice. It maybe not be justified, but still accepted.
sorry you miss the point
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
and with these posts you lose the right to talk to me and almost lose your humanity.You miss the point of crimes against humanity and try to justify the unjustifiable.
Not a big loss in my opinion.
Well but crimes agains humanity are relative too....everything is justifyable....you are just very emotionally connected to the Case...and I don't blame you, I can understand it...but if we are just talking aboot the topic there*s no need for emotional rantings.....just cold hard facts.
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
and with these posts you lose the right to talk to me and almost lose your humanity.You miss the point of crimes against humanity and try to justify the unjustifiable.
How so? Becuase I realise that they are justified in the opinion of some?
Do you honestly think that Hitler would have done what he did if he could not justify it to himself? Do you think any of the highest Nazi's would have? Any of the lower one's would have? Do you think anybody would have? Of course not. They justified their actions they justifed their murders their crimes. It was their damn choice.
How the hell does that make me lose my humanity? I never said I agreed with it, did I? I don't. But at least i'm not lying to myself, at least I realise that people had their reasons and will always have their reasons.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Not a big loss in my opinion.Well but crimes agains humanity are relative too....everything is justifyable....you are just very emotionally connected to the Case...and I don't blame you, I can understand it...but if we are just talking aboot the topic there*s no need for emotional rantings.....just cold hard facts.
Which I have given you cannot make someone into a lampshade and attempt to justify it, by doing so you become inhuman.