Originally posted by Bardock42
But you can...that is the thing we are talking aboot...the Nazis were able to.....
No they were not, thats why the rest of the world united and beat them down, because what they were doing was inhuman, they then prosecuted them for barbaric behaviour under international law, the same is happening in Serbia now, the same happened in Uganda, Somalia and Cambodia. It is not justifiable and never can be.
As soon as you start thinking that way it opens the door to more. Its seems somepeople learnt nothing from these examples.
True Evil cannot be justified
whirley, i believe what they are trying to say is that in the minds of the nazis all the way up to hitler, it was justified.
it all stems from the classic arguement "does anyone knowingly do evil"
this arguement is basically saying 'no'. they WERE committing evil, but in their own warped logic, it was justifiable. the same way a crackhead/junkie sees the act of robbing their own parents as justifiable. its all about mindset.
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
No they were not, thats why the rest of the world united and beat them down, because what they were doing was inhuman, they then prosecuted them for barbaric behaviour under international law, the same is happening in Serbia now, the same happened in Uganda, Somalia and Cambodia. It is not justifiable and never can be.As soon as you start thinking that way it opens the door to more. Its seems somepeople learnt nothing from these examples.
True Evil cannot be justified
There is no True Evil.....
Second the world did not only unite because it was aghainst their orals but also for many other reasons...but that's not the point......the US (for example) entered the war for similar reasons Germany killed Gypsies and Jews......because they were able to justify it to themself....
Originally posted by PVS
whirley, i believe what they are trying to say is that in the minds of the nazis all the way up to hitler, it was justified.it all stems from the classic arguement "does anyone knowingly do evil"
this arguement is basically saying 'no'. they WERE committing evil, but in their own warped logic, it was justifiable. the same way a crackhead/junkie sees the act of robbing their own parents as justifiable. its all about mindset.
I undersstand that PVS and I have tried to explain that some people knowingly go along with evil to them.
"I was only following orders" after the fact does not cut it, people know right from wrong.
Originally posted by Bardock42
There is no True Evil.....Second the world did not only unite because it was aghainst their orals but also for many other reasons...but that's not the point......the US (for example) entered the war for similar reasons Germany killed Gypsies and Jews......because they were able to justify it to themself....
bardock, you cant take a farout philisophical concept like "there is no true evil" and the fact that the U.S. dragged their asses to lighten the guilt of nazi germany. "there is no spoon" and "they suck too" doesnt cut it here.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
True Evil, as PVS touched on, is mindset.Serial killers don't see any difference between committing a murder and hugging someone. They're both just acts to them. They think "I'll do it" and do.
Evil to some, is Rock music, for example.
-AC
but the argument for collective responsibility in the actions of a group is strong. This kind of Evil requires people to go along with the mindset when they know its wrong, I agree Hitler could justify it. But how can the grunts. They know what they did.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
True Evil, as PVS touched on, is mindset.Serial killers don't see any difference between committing a murder and hugging someone. They're both just acts to them. They think "I'll do it" and do.
Evil to some, is Rock music, for example.
-AC
touched on?
i SAID it.
and you're repeating it
thank you captain redundant 😂 😛
Originally posted by PVS
bardock, you cant take a farout philisophical concept like "there is no true evil" and the fact that the U.S. dragged their asses to lighten the guilt of nazi germany. "there is no spoon" and "they suck too" doesnt cut it here.
Actually it does......it's what this whole thread is aboot.
And I am not saying that I for me the US actions were the same as the Nazi actions.....but as a concept they are....
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
but the argument for collective responsibility in the actions of a group is strong. This kind of Evil requires people to go along with the mindset when they know its wrong, I agree Hitler could justify it. But how can the grunts. They know what they did.
Easy, their hero their famous leader convinced them it was the right thing to do. They believed him.
Originally posted by PVS
touched on?i SAID it.
and you're repeating itthank you captain redundant 😂 😛
Very welcome, Private Cardboard 😉.
You said they were committing evil but in their mindset it wasn't, in your mindset it was. Like you said, mindset. Just throwing my opinion out as I'm entitled to. No harm or foul, wasn't popping at you.
-AC
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. The people who lived near these camps knew they existed. But, they like to say they didn't know the Jews in these camps were being exterminated. However, what conclusion did they reach when human ashes started falling from the sky, like snow...covering everything in their towns with a fine layer of human remains?