The Holocaust.

Well ok Bardock aside from those silly astericks which I couldn't read.
I appreciate your passion there now for a second go back and read where I mentioned the experiments. In the end the law is only as powerful as you let it be to you. So its really a matter of ethics Germany ethically crippled itself in that time period using certain ethnic groups to drive it political agenda.

The holocaust cannot be justified by any rational person unless incited by zealots into fanaticism then they aren't rational anymore and it cannot be justified.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
All the german people need to acknowledge it was evil and stop trying to justify it.

Whoa! Back the **** up! Not one person I've ever heard, outside of teh American Neo-Nazi movment is justifying anything. It's one thing for a 80 year old German, wholived through that period, to deny they KNEW it was going on...but I've never heard any of them publicly justify it. And certainly, no one that wasn't alive at that point need apologize to ANYONE for it.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Whoa! Back the **** up! Not one person I've ever heard, outside on teh American Neo-Nazi movment is justifying anything. It's one thing for a 80 year old German, wholived through that period, to deny they KNEW it was going on...but I've never heard any of them publicly justify it. And certainly, no one that wasn't alive at that point need apologize to ANYONE for it.

Read Bardocks posts and it is not isolated many deny that the Holocaust ever happened, crazy really. My ethnicity also finds it somewhat offensive, I am sorry I cannot be objective about a thread which has the sole purpose of saying crimes against humanity can be justified.
Thats the threads premise.

Originally posted by soleran30
Well ok Bardock aside from those silly astericks which I couldn't read.
I appreciate your passion there now for a second go back and read where I mentioned the experiments. In the end the law is only as powerful as you let it be to you. So its really a matter of ethics Germany ethically crippled itself in that time period using certain ethnic groups to drive it political agenda.

The holocaust cannot be justified by any rational person unless incited by zealots into fanaticism then they aren't rational anymore and it cannot be justified.

Again you pretend there is soe ethics that is in every human being and is superior to thought...but there isn't...evil is what we as people don't like, while good is what we like...and that can vary......

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Read Bardocks posts and it is not isolated many deny that the Holocaust ever happened, crazy really. My ethnicity also finds it somewhat offensive, I am sorry I cannot be objective about a thread which has the sole purpose of saying crimes against humanity can be justified.
Thats the threads premise.

I do not mean by this Bardock blieves it never happened, just he believes it was not evil and can be justified.

Bardock, do you deny that the holocaust took place?

I didn't mention evil one time in my thread Bardock. I brought up ethics germany was a christian country yet they listened to the ravings of a power hungery monger. Its more about the ethics........they knew right from wrong from being in a "christian" nation yet chose wrong by their own teachings.

So to recap germany as a whole was wrong. What they did wasn't because they really believed they needed a cleansing but they did need a scapegoat to drive the war machine and give them purpose.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Bardock, do you deny that the holocaust took place?

No...it certainly did took palce...there is variopus evidence for that....

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
I do not mean by this Bardock blieves it never happened, just he believes it was not evil and can be justified.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
I do not mean by this Bardock blieves it never happened, just he believes it was not evil and can be justified.

Not one person in this thread has said it WAS JUSTIFIED...they have simply said that it COULD BE JUSTIFIED BASED ON THE POV OF THOSE WHO CARRIED IT OUT.

No one is saying it was the right thing to do, only that those who allowed it to happen were able to justify it to themselves.

Originally posted by soleran30
I didn't mention evil one time in my thread Bardock. I brought up ethics germany was a christian country yet they listened to the ravings of a power hungery monger. Its more about the ethics........they knew right from wrong from being in a "christian" nation yet chose wrong by their own teachings.

So to recap germany as a whole was wrong. What they did wasn't because they really believed they needed a cleansing but they did need a scapegoat to drive the war machine and give them purpose.

Again, I agree that by a Christian view it was wrong and evil...but you can't just generally say it was evil.....theres no reason to say that....

Originally posted by soleran30
I didn't mention evil one time in my thread Bardock. I brought up ethics germany was a christian country yet they listened to the ravings of a power hungery monger. Its more about the ethics........they knew right from wrong from being in a "christian" nation yet chose wrong by their own teachings.

So to recap germany as a whole was wrong. What they did wasn't because they really believed they needed a cleansing but they did need a scapegoat to drive the war machine and give them purpose.

America was a christian country that allowed slavery and the subjugation of an entire race. Religion has little to do with the matter at hand. You can't get more christian than the vatican, and they helped get Nazis out of Germany after the war.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am moslty talking to Whirly.......and he can't stop talking aboot evil....

Again, I agree that by a Christian view it was wrong and evil...but you can't just generally say it was evil.....theres no reason to say that....

I rest my case - Bardock says it was not evil.

Sickening........

So many of the "working class" involved in the holocaust were more afraid of things that would happen to their family. So in the end most were admittedly ashamed however what is that piece always with whirly's pic.......herd behavior is comical. This clearly was not comical however the statement stands it is not justifiable it was a tool used by the govt to drive their war machine.........incite fear to revolt and purpose to be driven.

Originally posted by soleran30
So many of the "working class" involved in the holocaust were more afraid of things that would happen to their family. So in the end most were admittedly ashamed however what is that piece always with whirly's pic.......herd behavior is comical. This clearly was not comical however the statement stands it is not justifiable it was a tool used by the govt to drive their war machine.........incite fear to revolt and purpose to be driven.

What? You're not making any sense.

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
I rest my case - Bardock says it was not evil.

Sickening........

I rest my case, Whirly again argues around the point instead of actually making some sense.......

Ridicolous.....

What I am saying is that people respond better to what you tell them if you give them a purpose and a reason to continue (hope springs eternal) So to set that up Germany needed a reason(racial cleansing) and after that is established and the fear the gestapo put into place people had a reason to continue as fear of having the things that the gestapo did to the jewish and others to the people that rebelled.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
What? You're not making any sense.

He means the Germans were like sheep hearded and as such; all at the time were culpable, I kind of agree.

So unfortunetly the people of germany (not all but a good portion) were horrified however it comes down to the Dictator of Germany at the time......so it was wrong it is wrong and it is not justifiable. Leadership knew what it was doing it had a purpose and cannot be excused becuase it had an agenda and the holocaust was the engine driving it. Its sad its sick and I feel sorry for all those that felt like they had no choice but to be a pawn in that machine. 😮

Originally posted by soleran30
So unfortunetly the people of germany (not all but a good portion) were horrified however it comes down to the Dictator of Germany at the time......so it was wrong it is wrong and it is not justifiable. Leadership knew what it was doing it had a purpose and cannot be excused becuase it had an agenda and the holocaust was the engine driving it. Its sad its sick and I feel sorry for all those that felt like they had no choice but to be a pawn in that machine. 😮

I agree

Originally posted by TheQuincy
This person who is in control of this country, is crazy. The countrymen settle for 2 hours when all of a sudden he murders everyone for breaking a bogus law. Could he get away with it? and your answer, didn't help much.

NO he cannot get away with it.