Originally posted by overlord
Mhuahaha! Everybody wants to believe so badly that Obi Wan is an uber warrior, if Obi is so much better than Luke then padawan Obi can defeat darth vader too! Wich leads me to think that everybody is deluded!
Wow.. I will go against everybody! But hey, it's just the internet.
If Padawan Obi was Anakin his son then yes he could have and would have... Vader was in not able willing or allowed to fight his son to the fullest. And he sure as hell didn't.
Maybe that's right.. Though I don't know if it's true.. The first movies were done very differently anyway, in the prequel they really began to make up fighting styles! So maybe the excuse that Vader didn't fight at his fullest is just to cover errors in the stories like Leia's force connection to her mother!
Anyway, I believe that in the original concept Luke became a real jedi knight.
I think it's pretty far fetched too that Vader was able to lose if he wasn't fighting at his fullest. C'mon, just because your holding back doesn't mean you suddenly can get defeated. Why would you let it get so far that you would actually lose when your holding back most of the fight, that's just stupid.
Originally posted by overlord
I think it's pretty far fetched too that Vader was able to lose if he wasn't fighting at his fullest. C'mon, just because your holding back doesn't mean you suddenly can get defeated. Why would you let it get so far that you would actually lose when your holding back most of the fight, that's just stupid.
Vader in ANH had tremendous physical strength. In ROTJ he got beat back by a mere Padawan swinging with a lightsaber. A lightsaber that he could have easily blocked or if he wanted too he could have easily stabbed Luke. He didn't.
But for some reason he did fall down, he tripped.. And Luke cut of his hand, then Luke threw away his lightsaber and as soon as he said that the Emperor had failed Vader got back up. Is it just me or does seem strange? It just doesn't make sense. It seems obvious to me that Vader was either told to lose and did, or was just clearly losing his mind in that fight and didn't know what to do anymore. To confused.
I would expect Vader heavily concentrated on defending when holding himself back still he managed to make some stupid mistake.. It's a little bit weird, but then again there are a lot of people who think episode 6 was stupid.
I just think that Luke was supposed to be pretty good from the original intention of Lucas' story. But I rather not discuss it because it's just too much of an opinion to me.
ok let me rephrase
ANH obi-wan could not beat vader and ANH obi-wan is more poweful than TPM obi-wan and if he could not beat vader and luke could that would mean luke is more powerful than ANH obi-wan like i said before is more powerful than TPM obi-wan... but obi-wan may have "let go" but would have eventually lost anyway....
besides in 1999 there was better technology than in the 80s so those swift moves done by obi-wan you would also see done by luke...