Originally posted by Deus Ex
Drink some for me, you lucky bastard.It's 2:13 Pm here, and I'm cold sober.
Apparantly I did drink one for you, I also think I have a hangover, a very light hangover.... Which sucks because it would be my first hangover sinse... Well ever, and I didn't even drink fast or a lot yesterday.
That hardly able to handle a lightsaber bit was bullshit, for his training time read the thread he hasn't even trained for months. That can hardly make you good with a weapon... What am I saying it doesn't make you good with a weapon when you consider the fact that somebody like Obi Wan trained with that lightsaber his entire live.
There is just no way that somebody that has trained for such a short time can be as powerful as somebody that has trained for years.
The story just doesn't make sense but Luke did become a jedi knight in RotJ, and it shows as he can fight with Vader and I don't think any other mere jedi knight could defeat or already fight Vader, only maybe the top jedi masters from the jedi council would defeat Vader. If Luke was really as weak like you are all implying he would just get dissarmed and turned into Sidious little slave immediately.
No... Disarming him wouldn't turn him to the Dark Side.
And sinse when is Luke a Jedi Knight? He calls himself one but nobody else does not even Yoda. Yoda calls him a Jedi. That could be that Yoda says he just became good enough to be a padawan.
I wouldn't call him a Jedi.. All the things he does are simple and basic and he doesn't do anything really well. We see Obi Wan do more impressive things in the movies. Just watch ROTJ and then TPM watch who has a harder time fighting. Obi Wan is faster with a lightsaber then Luke is and Obi Wan is far more precise.
I'm not saying dissarming him would mean he turns to the dark side.
So you think Luke is incredibly weak? Fine, your opinion.. Still not a fact, you probably assume Luke constantly was lucky or something.
Oh, yeah, don't judge on speed of battles, because they couldn't portray everything in those times, otherwise we would have had Coruscant in RotJ. Form V is based solely on strength anyway, it doesn't mean they have to be very fast. It's not Ataru.
Originally posted by overlord
I'm not saying dissarming him would mean he turns to the dark side.
So you think Luke is incredibly weak? Fine, your opinion.. Still not a fact, you probably assume Luke constantly was lucky or something.Oh, yeah, don't judge on speed of battles, because they couldn't portray everything in those times, otherwise we would have had Coruscant in RotJ. Form V is based solely on strength anyway, it doesn't mean they have to be very fast. It's not Ataru.
Yeah Luke is weak for a Jedi. He isn't weak he learns incredibly fast but he's not at the level of a Jedi Knight, he just can't beat with such short training time. And no where is he portrayed as such if you ask me, only when fighting Vader but in all other things he still remains clumsy. Not fully knowing what he's doing. He's damn good for the little training he had. But honestly do you think Obi Wan would have had any trouble killing those people on Jabba's yacht? Do you think that Obi Wan would have struggled even for a second with those speeders? Do you think he would have let Han and Chewie take down those stormtroopers. Of course not he would have used the force and he would have done so faster and better.
Obi Wan his lightsaber is his live, Luke still carries around a blaster.
I'm just saying that if Luke could fight a force like Vader, defend against Vaders techniques and even grab the chance of defeating Vader no matter how lucky then Luke should be able to fight against Obi Wan who still doesn't practice form III.
And I really don't think we should just base our opinions on time of training but instead on their achievements and the impression of power they have although it is really impossible to say for sure who is best with the force for instance.
Uh, first off it says that Luke will become a Jedi once he faces Vader. This is most likely meant to mean that by confronting his father (and by redeeming himself and his father) he would have what it takes to become a jedi. It does not say that Luke gains jedi knight status and knows enough to get by and be godly good and he can pwn anything.
Second, the three week training is an odd figure. But to be fair, Luke had at most three days training with Yoda and Obi-Wan (evidenced by the apparent lack of time passage in the movies and the official source of the time of travel from the systems) and assuming he did get his hands on stuff at Obi-Wan's house..
Funny part being, in the movies Obi-Wan showed absolutely no evidence of salvaging anything from the Jedi temple and could not likely go back, and most certainly he had nothing on him when he arrived on Tattooine at the end of ROTS.
So where exactly does this immense knowledge from Obi-Wan's pad come from exactly? Tusken jedi? Jawa sith? It doesn't add up.
"Yaddle: Luke, once you face the incredible padawan sith jawa meister then you will be a jedi. Yes, nobody taught you how to fight, but then again Yoda didn't teach you how to force choke and mind trick, still you can hardly carry a lightsabers, these are the ultra intelligent confusing golden rules of this thread."
Hmm.. Maybe this whole thread makes no sense at all?
I guess so.. Maybe we just don't know anything about this training or it just doesn't make sense because Luke was able to defend and attack Vader just as much as Vader to him while he had only three weeks of training, Luke could even catch Vader off guard while fighting him! So that does mean that Luke is not some stupid padawan like warrior!