Originally posted by Astner
Surfer is arguably as fast as the Flash, more durable than Superman, has better energy projection than either Hal, Kyle or John, is better at transmuting matter than Firestorm, is a better telepath than Martian Manhunter, etc. and that only accounts for a fraction of what he's capable of.
He forgot to add better woman than wonder woman, bigger breasts than power girl, bigger schlong than Dr Manhattan, better butt than Nightwing etc and that's still just a fraction of his body.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I have faith that Surfer can do so 👆
Surfer kills Orion by creating radion.
Originally posted by darthgoober
What makes you think that it would be beyond the comprehension of someone like Surfer, who has had Cosmic Awareness for centuries, visited countless dimesions of virtually every type, and has either been made one with the Universe or turned into his own universe(depending on how you interpret it) by LT?
Surfer kills Infinity Man with radion.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm just pointing out that Surfer has a very viable shot of winning this eventually through weakness exploitation because everyone's always acting like he didn't have a chance in a match against IM. ...
Surfer kills pre crisis Superman and Darkseid together.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Pre-Crisis Supes would go down to a single blast of Kryptonite(PC Supes had virtually no resistance to K-nite) and DS would be in the same boat with his vulnerability to Radion.
Originally posted by darthgoober
You mean like Gladiator?You also have to remember that everyone gets basic knowledge and since the majoirity of the New Gods know about their weakness to Radion, Surfer will know that such a weakness exist coming into the fight.
Surfer kills Mr majestic with chronal radiation.
Originally posted by darthgoober
So if Surfer started used high levels amounts of temporal energy(perhaps in conjuction with matter manipulation) there's a good chance that it'll wreck havoc on Maj's system shouldn't it? Or did he eventually get over the vulnerability?
What's a little magic lightning for Silver Surfer?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I like how when it's Surfer Vs Superman, Surfer can't rely on his speed and strength etc....Surfer HAS to rely on cosmic awareness, red sunlight, Kryptonite etc....Against Adam, a guy who some say is equal to Superman but without his weaknesses (AND who is magical to book)...he.....erm...yeah, suddenly he has all these speed and durability feats.
Who's debating speed and durability? I think the people that are mentioning it, it's due to them defending their stance against the people that brought up Adam speed blitzing. Even if Adam blitz and land the first punch, it's not knocking Surfer out and it's not preventing Surfer from going intangible blasting and versatile dumping Adam to sleep. Surfer stomps and he stomps Superman as well.
Originally posted by carver9
Even if Adam blitz and land the first punch, it's not knocking Surfer out and it's not preventing Surfer from going intangible blasting and versatile dumping Adam to sleep.
Why would Adam stop after punching him one time and give Surfer time to do anything? At best Surfer takes 3-4 punches to get knocked out.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And?It was just Gladiator, not hulk.
Earth is magnitudes bigger than the tiny ship Surfer had to be amped to stop.
Surfer didn't get any power up in Annihilation.
Just like Surfer used the board to Sucker punch bill to get advantage.
And it was a good durability feat, considering this was the same amped Hercules slapping around the All-father council and Zeus.
Krosakis actually did copy Hulk's powers, it was one of the first he went after.
https://imgur.com/a/DYQJv
The point of the tiny ship instance is that Surfer has already planet busted many times before, and Adam and all the others weren't trying to stop the earth, merely change it's alignment.
As for the Annihilation amp, the handbook confirmed Galactus "vastly" increased his powers.
https://imgur.com/a/xxIHW6K
And in the 2nd Bill fight, Bill literally ambushes Surfer head on right in front of him, whereas in their first encounter he hit Surfer from behind, Surfer didn't even know Bill was there, and it wasn't Surfer's board that KO'ed Bill, it was the repeated attacks afterwards.
Originally posted by Test123
And it was a good durability feat, considering this was the same amped Hercules slapping around the All-father council and Zeus.
Taking one punch from a non serious Hercules isn't much of a durability feat. Zeus also simply slapped both Surfer and Thor around and even knocked out Galactus and Hercules simply oneshot killed him.
Krosakis actually did copy Hulk's powers, it was one of the first he went after.
https://imgur.com/a/DYQJv
Krosakis isn't in any of the scans. That's Unipower and Krosakis wasn't a host.
By that logic Surfer also needed Hulk's strength to stop a tiny ship.
The point of the tiny ship instance is that Surfer has already planet busted many times before, and Adam and all the others weren't trying to stop the earth, merely change it's alignment.
Must be tiny ass planets if Surfer needs Hulk's strength to stop a tiny ship. Isn't that the logic comicvine uses?
As for the Annihilation amp, the handbook confirmed Galactus "vastly" increased his powers.
https://imgur.com/a/xxIHW6K
No, the actual comic says he was restored.
Here is another bio from the same comic that says he wasn't upgraded but restored.
Surfer on panel says he doesn't need the power and Galactus says about restoring him.
You know what was restored? Surfer's space-time powers since that was the only thing Galactus deprived surfer from, he didn't actually depower him.
And in the 2nd Bill fight, Bill literally ambushes Surfer head on right in front of him, whereas in their first encounter he hit Surfer from behind, Surfer didn't even know Bill was there, and it wasn't Surfer's board that KO'ed Bill, it was the repeated attacks afterwards.
Bill was never koed by Surfer even after the suckershot and multiple punches. That's the difference, Bill suckershot Surfer and he's ktfo.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It was a legitimate argument a few years ago.Surfer kills Orion by creating radion.
Surfer kills Infinity Man with radion.
Surfer kills pre crisis Superman and Darkseid together.
Surfer kills Mr majestic with chronal radiation.
What's a little magic lightning for Silver Surfer?
I see his CA thrown around in debates but not actual examples to back it(only example doesn't actually attribute to the CA). What has Surfer actually done with it? The scans you posted with the ship show he knew the ship was inhabited by BOTH his CA and the Unipower, implying he couldn't know that much on his own.
What about Silver Surfer Black? His performance, and ability to remain alive goes a ways to prove that it would take quite a bit to put him down. When he faced Knull, he was weak as well.
That was the epitome of great showing.
While I do understand the need to point out chinks within the opposing sides armor, you’d have to be weird to believe that others would see these displays as low-ball tactics, which then allows for them to abjectly ignore most of it.
It’s basically the same as looking for every low showing of your opponent while simultaneously showing all of the best of all time showings for your side.
Kind of one sided to say the least. Would Teth be able to survive Knull? Probably not. The Surfer was weakened and dying form the entire ordeal of being pulled through a wormhole, creating several dwarf stars, and then having to battle Knull who later dominated King Thor.
It wasn’t that the Surfer had a prayer of winning, it’s that he had the power set to hack his way out of being destroyed.
On Teth’s side; I have yet to see the Surfer as being fully immune to magic, he has a degree of resistance, it Teth has the ability to unload a barrage of punches, and is magically resistant to energy to a high degree. Because of this, I see Teth defeating the Surfer, who may have little power over his magical body. I would be very surprised if the Surfer were able to manipulate Teth on a genetic level.
On the Surfer’s side; Being able to make Knull feel pain with his blasts kind of does away with the idea that his power yields top out at herald level. How well would Teth deal with having a dwarf star placed within his chest right beside his heart?
Could go either way. I wouldn’t sleep on the Surfer here, he has proven that he is very powerful, and resourceful.
Originally posted by Stoic
What about Silver Surfer Black? His performance, and ability to remain alive goes a ways to prove that it would take quite a bit to put him down. When he faced Knull, he was weak as well.That was the epitome of great showing.
While I do understand the need to point out chinks within the opposing sides armor, you’d have to be weird to believe that others would see these displays as low-ball tactics, which then allows for them to abjectly ignore most of it.
It’s basically the same as looking for every low showing of your opponent while simultaneously showing all of the best of all time showings for your side.
Kind of one sided to say the least. Would Teth be able to survive Knull? Probably not. The Surfer was weakened and dying form the entire ordeal of being pulled through a wormhole, creating several dwarf stars, and then having to battle Knull who later dominated King Thor.
It wasn’t that the Surfer had a prayer of winning, it’s that he had the power set to hack his way out of being destroyed.
On Teth’s side; I have yet to see the Surfer as being fully immune to magic, he has a degree of resistance, it Teth has the ability to unload a barrage of punches, and is magically resistant to energy to a high degree. Because of this, I see Teth defeating the Surfer, who may have little power over his magical body. I would be very surprised if the Surfer were able to manipulate Teth on a genetic level.
On the Surfer’s side; Being able to make Knull feel pain with his blasts kind of does away with the idea that his power yields top out at herald level. How well would Teth deal with having a dwarf star placed within his chest right beside his heart?
Could go either way. I wouldn’t sleep on the Surfer here, he has proven that he is very powerful, and resourceful.
Originally posted by Galan007
Originally posted by StoicSurfer doesn't need to be immune to magic. Superman is outright vulnerable to magic and he fights guys like Shazam and Black Adam.
What about Silver Surfer Black? His performance, and ability to remain alive goes a ways to prove that it would take quite a bit to put him down. When he faced Knull, he was weak as well.That was the epitome of great showing.
While I do understand the need to point out chinks within the opposing sides armor, you’d have to be weird to believe that others would see these displays as low-ball tactics, which then allows for them to abjectly ignore most of it.
It’s basically the same as looking for every low showing of your opponent while simultaneously showing all of the best of all time showings for your side.
Kind of one sided to say the least. Would Teth be able to survive Knull? Probably not. The Surfer was weakened and dying form the entire ordeal of being pulled through a wormhole, creating several dwarf stars, and then having to battle Knull who later dominated King Thor.
It wasn’t that the Surfer had a prayer of winning, it’s that he had the power set to hack his way out of being destroyed.
On Teth’s side; I have yet to see the Surfer as being fully immune to magic, he has a degree of resistance, it Teth has the ability to unload a barrage of punches, and is magically resistant to energy to a high degree. Because of this, I see Teth defeating the Surfer, who may have little power over his magical body. I would be very surprised if the Surfer were able to manipulate Teth on a genetic level.
On the Surfer’s side; Being able to make Knull feel pain with his blasts kind of does away with the idea that his power yields top out at herald level. How well would Teth deal with having a dwarf star placed within his chest right beside his heart?
Could go either way. I wouldn’t sleep on the Surfer here, he has proven that he is very powerful, and resourceful.
If you want to focus on Surfer's feats, then just list some of the stuff he's done recently:
- Powering the Impericon which was previously powered by the Queen of Nevers heart
- Moon surfing into Galactus
- Making a transwarp tunnel for 3 billion ships to jump to another part of the universe
- Purifying a planets air and all 6 billion inhabitants body systems
- Outracing multiversal destruction
- Molding an entire universe
- Creating multiple stars during fights
- Spreading galactic seeds across the universe
- Fighting the Griever at the End of All Things for 16+ minutes
Originally posted by ODG
Surfer doesn't need to be immune to magic. Superman is outright vulnerable to magic and he fights guys like Shazam and Black Adam.If you want to focus on Surfer's feats, then just list some of the stuff he's done recently:
- Powering the Impericon which was previously powered by the Queen of Nevers heart
- Moon surfing into Galactus
- Making a transwarp tunnel for 3 billion ships to jump to another part of the universe
- Purifying a planets air and all 6 billion inhabitants body systems
- Outracing multiversal destruction
- Molding an entire universe
- Creating multiple stars during fights
- Spreading galactic seeds across the universe
- Fighting the Griever at the End of All Things for 16+ minutes
Adam beats the crap out of him.
Originally posted by ODG
Surfer doesn't need to be immune to magic. Superman is outright vulnerable to magic and he fights guys like Shazam and Black Adam.If you want to focus on Surfer's feats, then just list some of the stuff he's done recently:
- Powering the Impericon which was previously powered by the Queen of Nevers heart
- Moon surfing into Galactus
- Making a transwarp tunnel for 3 billion ships to jump to another part of the universe
- Purifying a planets air and all 6 billion inhabitants body systems
- Outracing multiversal destruction
- Molding an entire universe
- Creating multiple stars during fights
- Spreading galactic seeds across the universe
- Fighting the Griever at the End of All Things for 16+ minutes
Dang, that is some impressive stuff. Surfer wins this even easier than I thought.
