I answered #2 on the first paragrapgh. The Spectre was shocked to see how much power/magic Captian Marvel had all around him protecting him..... . why he didn't shut off his power?? my guess he didn't feel the need or threated from Captian Marvel to do it, he just wanted to wear him down and force him to use all his magic up so he wouldn't be a problem later..... In there 2nd fight Captian Marvel was throwing punchs at Spectre and he just stood there telling him he wouldn't allow him to deter him from what he wanted to do there no longer and said "Shazam" turning CM back into Billy, then proceeding to Shazam and killing him. I agree with both of you in some ways but The Spectre is still more powerful then Ganthet. He can be destroyed just like any other being, its just he can take alot more then almost anyone else can. In your ranking Ganthet is almost as powerful as Archangel Michael or The Word which he is not. Do u think Ganthet could ever begin to fight Michael???? he would get killed very easy if he even dared lay a hand on Michael. read rebirth and dov 10 times and LOOK at the pictures they are as big as part of the comic book as the words. If ur still not sure then well have to wait and maybe well see Spectre and Ganthet fight in Infinite Crisis then see who wins. 😎
Originally posted by kevdudeLook at the pictures?! Look at the pictures?!!? That's what I've been asking you to do the whole time! During Parallax's trinity conversation Spectre and Hal are both writhing in pain! Parallax's return in #3 involves him casting aside Spectre and Hal like they were husks of skin! Gathellax is ginormously HUGE compared to Specthallax! You want ME to look at the pictures? Why don't you look at the damn words! Look at what they say, for goodness sake! Look, I'm not saying your view is completely ridiculous, we're not the only ones debating this on the internet. But if you take a Google search, you'll see that most people agree that Rebirth and Day of Vengeance are pretty clear cut, and most people have a problem with that as an inconsistency with the past, not because they believe Geoff Johns painted Parallax as a mocking, bluffing character and Ganthet as being oblivious to the truth. I'm going to post this argument in the forums and let's have some other people weigh in. Because the only thing you reply in this last post of yours is some explanation that BEFORE Shadowpact came in, Spectre didn't cut off Shazam's power source in the beginning of their first fight, simply because he didn't feel like it. He sure felt like dealing with Madame Xanadu's power by bypassing it and taking her eyes.
I answered #2 on the first paragrapgh. The Spectre was shocked to see how much power/magic Captian Marvel had all around him protecting him..... . why he didn't shut off his power?? my guess he didn't feel the need or threated from Captian Marvel to do it, he just wanted to wear him down and force him to use all his magic up so he wouldn't be a problem later..... In there 2nd fight Captian Marvel was throwing punchs at Spectre and he just stood there telling him he wouldn't allow him to deter him from what he wanted to do there no longer and said "Shazam" turning CM back into Billy, then proceeding to Shazam and killing him. I agree with both of you in some ways but The Spectre is still more powerful then Ganthet. He can be destroyed just like any other being, its just he can take alot more then almost anyone else can. In your ranking Ganthet is almost as powerful as Archangel Michael or The Word which he is not. Do u think Ganthet could ever begin to fight Michael???? he would get killed very easy if he even dared lay a hand on Michael. read rebirth and dov 10 times and LOOK at the pictures they are as big as part of the comic book as the words. If ur still not sure then well have to wait and maybe well see Spectre and Ganthet fight in Infinite Crisis then see who wins. 😎
About spectre being a part of God. ❌
Jim corrigan once said something to archangel michael about the spectre being an aspect of god, to which michael replied by saying that ALL things are an aspect of god.
Also, I remember reading that the spectre was actually an angel, who was punished by god for not choosing either side during the originaol war in heaven and refusing to fight. He was punished by being forced to become god's agent of vengeance.
Originally posted by eleveninches
About spectre being a part of God. ❌Jim corrigan once said something to archangel michael about the spectre being an aspect of god, to which michael replied by saying that ALL things are an aspect of god.
Also, I remember reading that the spectre was actually an angel, who was punished by god for not choosing either side during the originaol war in heaven and refusing to fight. He was punished by being forced to become god's agent of vengeance.
Damn you're right 11!! 😱
Well sort of 😉
Spectre as per current continuity is not an aspect of God
He is a fallen angel who sided with Lucifer in his rebellion against the silver city. As a way of repenting this fallen angel acts as gods spirit of vengeance throughout the universe. So while he works for god and was empowered appropriately for his role, he is not literally gods wrath, not an aspect of god in current continuity, as he was previously.
Originally posted by GalacticStormIn Hal Jordan's series, you find that The Spectre Force is actually The Logoz, which is a piece of God itself.
Damn you're right 11!! 😱Well sort of 😉
Spectre as per current continuity is not an aspect of God
He is a fallen angel who sided with Lucifer in his rebellion against the silver city. As a way of repenting this fallen angel acts as gods spirit of vengeance throughout the universe. So while he works for god and was empowered appropriately for his role, he is not literally gods wrath, not an aspect of god in current continuity, as he was previously.
Originally posted by Juntai
In Hal Jordan's series, you find that The Spectre Force is actually The Logoz, which is a piece of God itself.
It all depends on how long ago that was revealed. That may very well have been retconned.
Can you really see the Logos struggling against all the enemies which have held their own against Spectre recently?
2) "Where was Ganthet during Zero Hour? Right, erased with everything else. Where was Spectre? The everpresent Spectre even existed in nothingness, making Hal use all his energy up so he could be defeated." Yes, he was erased, he doesn't have the power of the Guardian's... cuz Hal/Parallax at that time stole them completely, remember Emerald Twilight? You say Spectre exists in nothing. He's more powerful than the power of the Guardians! Well... umm... you said yourself Hal is there too. Why is he there? Hal/Parallax back then wielded the power of the Guardian's. You said Spectre had to make Hal burn himself out... what's he burning out that is such a threat? The power of the Guardians. Well, do you see? The power of the Guardian's dwarf's even the Spectre's. After Hal/Parallax had relinquished the Guardian's power, before the reappearance of the new Guardian's,......... "Who solely wielded the power of the Guardians?"The Lantern Battery was created as a piece of the guardians power, it had been gone before and Ganthet supported the entire corp across the universe himself with unending power. Hal also wasn't just weilding that power, he was wielding the power of infinite universes, the power of the anti-monitor.
And also in Day of Vengeance, JSA tie-in, Spectre snapped his fingers and shut off Black Adam, then banished Thunderbolt back to the 5th dimension, then killed Atom Smasher, effortlessly. If he can do it to Black Adam, he could have easily done to Captain Marvel too, right? It's the same shit right? Good. Why didn't he? God works in mysterious ways.
Originally posted by GalacticStormHe's going against Gods initial decree that the Spectreforce cannot exist without a human host so I'm doubting he's in Gods favor right now, and also, the Spectre is infinite aspects across the entire universe, it's not just one body. And Hal's run of the series is recent and is part of what led to now, so I doubt it's retconned. Also, defeating SHAZAM is major.
It all depends on how long ago that was revealed. That may very well have been retconned.Can you really see the Logos struggling against all the enemies which have held their own against Spectre recently?
Originally posted by Juntai
He's going against Gods initial decree that the Spectreforce cannot exist without a human host so I'm doubting he's in Gods favor right now, and also, the Spectre is infinite aspects across the entire universe, it's not just one body. And Hal's run of the series is recent and is part of what led to now, so I doubt it's retconned. Also, defeating SHAZAM is major.
Are you talking about the wizard or Captain Marvel? Ive only read up to number 5.
Also is the Spectre Force the Logos under a different name or is it powered by the Logos?
Originally posted by GalacticStormIt IS the Logoz, but the multiverse' occupants.. for some reason have a need for the wrath to exist, and so it does. Hal Jordan for his time as the Spectre, managed enough pure willpower to change the Logoz from The Wrath to The Redemption, and went around leading souls to heaven and did a lot of soul searching himself.. And, sadly, Spectre downed the wizard apprently, though I have not read this myself, someone spoiled it for me. Also, someone else wrote it in another thread already.
Are you talking about the wizard or Captain Marvel? Ive only read up to number 5.Also is the Spectre Force the Logos under a different name or is it powered by the Logos?
Originally posted by JuntaiSPectre has rebelled against god on several occasions. I remember once when he did it in Corrigan's run as spectre, and michael went and kicked his @$$ for it, but said that it isnt the first time spectre had done that
He's going against Gods initial decree that the Spectreforce cannot exist without a human host so I'm doubting he's in Gods favor right now, and also, the Spectre is infinite aspects across the entire universe, it's not just one body. And Hal's run of the series is recent and is part of what led to now, so I doubt it's retconned. Also, defeating SHAZAM is major.