Am I the only one who doesn't get what is so great about this mother ****ing quote thingy Jackson says in the movie?
there's nothing great about it. It is however popular because the creators of Snakes on a Plane pandered to the audience who was already interested in the film. The movie was originally shot as PG-13, last quarter of 2005. The great camp appeal took off on the internet.......which led to people creating fake trailers, most of which portraying Samuel L. Jackson in a charicerature imalgum of past roles. One such trailer had the line, "I want these mother fucking snakes off this mother fucking plane". It was insanely popular.
Based on the internet hype and buzz......Snakes on a Plane went back and shot 5 more days in early 2006 specificly to bring the film to an R rating, delivering exactly what the movie-goers wanted. That's when the scene was shot, during the 5 day pick-ups. The studio added the line, which was never present in any script, specificly to appease the fans. No other movie has done this in the past. Even when George Lucas tried to compromise with the Star Wars fans after the debacle of Greedo shooting first in the special edition Star Wars, he still refused to take the added Greedo shot out leaving Han to just shoot Greedo....returning Han to the badass space pirate he had been for the 20 years prior. He instead chose to have Greedo and Han practically shooting at the same time........with some very bad CGI work. The fans still didn't like it.......Lucas still ruined Han as a badass pirate who turned good....Lucas still doesn't care what the fans want (what he gave them in the first place) because he's a billionaire. That's hollywood. Snakes on a Plane is the first movie to cater directly to the fans........fans have actually written lines of diaglogue that show up in the finished movie.
sorry for the double post......I forgot.......
AC...I really don't feel like debating this. You don't want to see a movie, that's cool. There's plenty of movies I don't want to see. Everybody has a right to their opinion........I, however, must point out the fallacy in logic here.
Put that logic away, you'll do yourself a mischief.Michael Myers, Jason Voorhees, Freddy Krueger and Pinhead can only be seen in their respective movie franchises. So going to see Halloween for Myers isn't as stupid as going to see Snakes on a Plane for Samuel L. Jackson. You don't need to see the movie for him, he's in other movies, Myers isn't.
anybody who watches Friday the 13th 8 does not have to watch it to see Jason Voorhies. They can watch Friday the 13th parts 3-7. The exact same can be said about any horror film sequel. Nobody has to watch Hellraiser Hellworld to see Pinhead.......there are 7 other movies to choose from. There is no difference between watching a movie to see an actor and watching a movie to see a fictional character. The people who watch Friday the 13th part 8 or Jason Goes to Hell.....or Jason X watches them because they like the character and this is (at one time) the newest film to feature the character. They are farmiliar with the character, like the character and so wish to see the new flick featuring that character. The same thing goes for an actor. A person is familiar with an actor, likes an actor and wishes to see the new flick featuring that actor. Sure......one could watch Formula 51 instead of Snakes on a Plane......but why when they've already seen it? One could watch Friday the 13th part 4 to see Jason Voorhies instead of Freddy vs Jason.....but why when they've already seen Friday 4?
Originally posted by Evil Dead
anybody who watches Friday the 13th 8 does not have to watch it to see Jason Voorhies. They can watch Friday the 13th parts 3-7.
They have to watch the Friday the 13th movie franchise to see Jason Voorhees, do they not? Yes. Can they see him in Halloween? No.
Thus my point. Jason Voorhees is a character intrinsically linked to the aforementioned franchise, not an actor.
You would have to go see Pulp Fiction to see Jules, you don't have to go see it to see Samuel L. Jackson, as Samuel L. Jackson is an actor who plays many characters.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
The exact same can be said about any horror film sequel. Nobody has to watch Hellraiser Hellworld to see Pinhead.......there are 7 other movies to choose from.
Seven other Hellraiser movies. I haven't ever seen Pinhead in The Girl Next Door.
If you love Pinhead, you HAVE to see a Hellraiser movie to see him. If you want to see Doug Bradley, you don't have to see Hellraiser.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
There is no difference between watching a movie to see an actor and watching a movie to see a fictional character.
Yeah, and I'm talking about paying to see a movie for an actor. What are you on about? Oh yeah, something irrelevent.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
The people who watch Friday the 13th part 8 or Jason Goes to Hell.....or Jason X watches them because they like the character and this is (at one time) the newest film to feature the character. They are farmiliar with the character, like the character and so wish to see the new flick featuring that character.
Yes, but they HAVE to go see that franchise to see Jason. He isn't in any other franchise or any other movie.
Ok, so someone likes Samuel L. Jackson, big deal. Would you go see Mean Girls 2 simply because he was in it? If the answer is yes, then my point is proven. It's clearly a rubbish film, and it would be a rubbish decision for him to star in it. Therefore it's stupid to go and see all of an actor's movies just because it's a certain actor.
I really like Morgan Freeman, but I didn't go and see Million Dollar Baby because it looked shit.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
The same thing goes for an actor. A person is familiar with an actor, likes an actor and wishes to see the new flick featuring that actor. Sure......one could watch Formula 51 instead of Snakes on a Plane......but why when they've already seen it? One could watch Friday the 13th part 4 to see Jason Voorhies instead of Freddy vs Jason.....but why when they've already seen Friday 4?
If I have to explain the difference between real human actors and franchise-bound fictional ones one more time, I'll write you off as damage.
-AC
last I checked (yesterday)........Samuel L Jackson is not in any other current movies playing. If you wish to see him, Snakes on a Plane is your only option...........it's that or nothing.
your logic is circular........therefore non-existant.
you like Morgan Freeman but skipped Million Dollar Baby? wow.....bad move. Million Dollar Baby was a great movie.......would have been even if Freeman wasn't in it.
You're probably the only person on earth who's viewing choices are not determined by the star of the movie. I don't like Drew Barrymore.....so I don't watch her movies. I like Samuel L Jackson......so I watch movies that he plays in that I otherwise would not, like Rules of Engagement and Twisted just to name a few. That's the premise hollywood is built around. Actors are paid huge sums of money specificly because the audience will come to see the actor. Tom Cruise doesn't make $20 million a picture because his roles are more difficult to play.........he makes the money because the studio knows the public will go see the new Tom Cruise movie.
in short.....get over it. the world does not care what you think. despite your postings on here and whatever ramblings you have made to "friends" in real life, the movie still made $8 million it's first day.......can't find the numbers for Saturday. You don't want to see it, fine. We like us some Sam Jackson.....we want to see us some Sam Jackson.........Sam Jackson's battling snakes on a plane......we're watching.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
last I checked (yesterday)........Samuel L Jackson is not in any other current movies playing. If you wish to see him, Snakes on a Plane is your only option...........it's that or nothing.
Precisely. So why then do you HAVE to go see it? You don't have to, just because you like him.
I know many Sam Jackson fans that didn't go to see S.W.A.T because they knew it'd be shit. They didn't think: "WE HAVE TO! IT'S A SAMUEL L. JACKSON MOVIE!".
Originally posted by Evil Dead
you like Morgan Freeman but skipped Million Dollar Baby? wow.....bad move. Million Dollar Baby was a great movie.......would have been even if Freeman wasn't in it.
I don't go to see movies that don't interest me. Why would I? It doesn't matter to me WHO is in it. I don't want to sit in a cinema for two hours, watching a film that doesn't interest me, simply because an actor I like is in it. I like him because he's been great in films I think are great. I don't like him simply because it's him.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
You're probably the only person on earth who's viewing choices are not determined by the star of the movie. I don't like Drew Barrymore.....so I don't watch her movies. I like Samuel L Jackson......so I watch movies that he plays in that I otherwise would not, like Rules of Engagement and Twisted just to name a few. That's the premise hollywood is built around. Actors are paid huge sums of money specificly because the audience will come to see the actor. Tom Cruise doesn't make $20 million a picture because his roles are more difficult to play.........he makes the money because the studio knows the public will go see the new Tom Cruise movie.
Yes, I realise you do this, and you see nothing wrong with this. What's your point? My point is that it's stupid to see a movie with a person in, regardless of if you think it looks good or not.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
in short.....get over it. the world does not care what you think. despite your postings on here and whatever ramblings you have made to "friends" in real life, the movie still made $8 million it's first day.......can't find the numbers for Saturday. You don't want to see it, fine. We like us some Sam Jackson.....we want to see us some Sam Jackson.........Sam Jackson's battling snakes on a plane......we're watching.
So? How is me posting here affecting you? Why do you need me to leave?
Get over it? Says the guy who simply can't handle me critiquing the premise of this movie he loves. Yeah, shh.
-AC
So? How is me posting here affecting you? Why do you need me to leave?
I've never asked you to leave nor suggested it. Are we making things up?
Get over it? Says the guy who simply can't handle me critiquing the premise of this movie he loves. Yeah, shh.
you can not critique a movie you have not seen. I have seen it, my opinions are valid. As you have not seen it, anything you have to say about it is moot......pure speculation, existing in your brain........not something you have seen on screen.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
I've never asked you to leave nor suggested it. Are we making things up?
I was asking questions, you seem to not enjoy having someone around who isn't sucking up to the film.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
you can not critique a movie you have not seen. I have seen it, my opinions are valid. As you have not seen it, anything you have to say about it is moot......pure speculation, existing in your brain........not something you have seen on screen.
Hence why I'm critiquing the premise and the mindset of those praising it, not necessarily the movie itself, as stated.
Are we making things up?
-AC
AC, I think your taking this whole Snakes on a Plane thing a BIT too seriously.
Is it a marketing ploy? Yes. Did I get suckered into it? yes.
But who really cares.
I went with a bunch of friends, I didn't think about the plot holes, or some of the obvious mistakes and other things. I just went there, and laughed, and bantered with my friends, and just spent a fun hour and a half in a movie theater with Samuel L Jackson. Thats it.
Yes I went to see it simply because its him fighting snakes.
But I really don't care. It was funny, and it was awesome. And it was shallow and action heavy, and nearly plotless. But still great, just because thats what you expected it to be, and it delivered. It was pure and simple, a fun time at the movies.
I enjoyed this movie.
yet.......I saw this movie at 10 PM, with about....hmm....about 8 friends, and the theatre was packed of people making fun of the movie too. I had a great time. Lots of people were going "sssssssss" when something suspicious would happen 😂 And EVERYONE joined in with Samuel Jackson when he said, "I'm tired of these goddamn snakes on my motherlovin plane!"
It was funny.....but not as funny as it could have been. It had lots of immature jokes which were lame.......the ending was really stinky too. I didn't like it.
But overall, I think this is a movie to be seen with the friends! I enjoyed it! 👆
Originally posted by Tptmanno1
AC, I think your taking this whole Snakes on a Plane thing a BIT too seriously.
Is it a marketing ploy? Yes. Did I get suckered into it? yes.
But who really cares.
I went with a bunch of friends, I didn't think about the plot holes, or some of the obvious mistakes and other things. I just went there, and laughed, and bantered with my friends, and just spent a fun hour and a half in a movie theater with Samuel L Jackson. Thats it.
Yes I went to see it simply because its him fighting snakes.
But I really don't care. It was funny, and it was awesome. And it was shallow and action heavy, and nearly plotless. But still great, just because thats what you expected it to be, and it delivered. It was pure and simple, a fun time at the movies.
It seems that the only people taking a further exception than me are those who dislike the fact that I don't like it.
I have the right to speak negatively about the movie or the idea of the movie just as much as you have the right to praise it.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Exanda, please just leave if you can't contribute.Pirates wasn't more or less born with the plan to market as a nerdy internet meme, thus putting nerds everywhere into a position where you simply have to go see it. It has a plot and regardless of whether it was marketed, as all movies are, it's not a movie born with the sole purpose of advertising: "Look, this movie is simply snakes on a plane. That's it.", and having people pay.
As said previously, there's a very specific marketing ploy with this one. Dumb people go to see it because it's on their level, and others go to see it because they think it's this ironic, poking fun mega film, and we're out of the loop if we don't get it.
The fact is, they gave everyone a title and a vague plotline and then the nerds did the marketing for them. All the fake soundtracks, all the fake posters and trailers, that was how this movie got it's word out, and you were all used as marketing tools, plain and simple. If you didn't take part in it, then you've simply been suckered by it.
Why you're so upset about this is quite strange. You've made the leap, you've said you love it and that you'll go see it again, so why are you trying to defend your actions? You got played like an arcade machine.
Worth the price of admission, I'll bet...
-AC
I'm so glad someone mention Pirates of the Carribean and how you'd liked it. Gee, I guess The Walt Disney company sure sucker you into go seen that sequel. This quote of yours here is the key to your whole thing:
"Dumb people go to see it because it's on their level, and others go to see it because they think it's this ironic, poking fun mega film, and we're out of the loop if we don't get it."
You're making assumptions. Go see the flick already and get over it (just like ED told you)
I like how you saying I'm getting upset over this. Whereas actually I'm wasting a good few minutes discussing about B-movie. When Pirates of the Caribean 3 is released and you go see it. I'm sure you'll come out with some reasons as to why you weren't sucked into Disney's plot. You think that you're not dumb for not seeing SOaP but you're naive enough for Mickey's company marketing ploy. HA!
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Well, there is undeniably a specific marketing strategy at work, as with most things. This one is particularly sly, because it'll get people who like dumb movies seeing it at face value, as well as people being ironic about their appreciation of it. It also has, as you said, some interest generated by people who aren't fans.
I won't deny there is one but they have to market the film or else they won't make money. I think that's fair. Just to close the argument. I would just say this. If it interest you (i.e. everyone reading this) go see the film and see for yourself. If you like it...cool. If you didn't...well, you didn't, that's all folks.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I'm so glad someone mention Pirates of the Carribean and how you'd liked it. Gee, I guess The Walt Disney company sure sucker you into go seen that sequel.
They didn't actually. I saw the first on DVD ages after it came out, then saw the second because I liked the first. The first was a sleeper hit if anything, nobody expected it to do how it did. It wasn't outrageously marketed.
Just because you got punked into seeing Snakes on a Plane, doesn't mean I got punked into seeing a movie.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
You're making assumptions. Go see the flick already and get over it (just like ED told you)
I won't see it because for that money I could buy something worthwhile.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I like how you saying I'm getting upset over this. Whereas actually I'm wasting a good few minutes discussing about B-movie. When Pirates of the Caribean 3 is released and you go see it. I'm sure you'll come out with some reasons as to why you weren't sucked into Disney's plot. You think that you're not dumb for not seeing SOaP but you're naive enough for Mickey's company marketing ploy. HA!
How pathetic. You got sucked into it and don't want to admit it, so you try to play it up by saying how much you like it and how you're going again, as if that's some kind of credible accolade. The fact is, Snakes began as an internet meme, that's how it was marketed. You desperately saying I was sucked into Mickey's company marketing ploy is just a last ditch attempt at redeeming your argument.
I went to see Pirates 2 after seeing the first one by pure chance and liking it. I didn't go on opening weekend, I didn't even know the movie existed and definitely wouldn't have paid to see it in a cinema based on trailers alone. The reason I will see the third is because I have two movies of enjoyment to go by. You have? Yes, you have nothing besides a shitload of internet and media hype, which you have succumbed to. So before you go accusing me of being victim of marketing hype, I suggest YOU stop making assumptions.
I had a movie to go by when I was buying my ticket to Pirates 2, my own opinion of an actual existing movie. Sure, Pirates 2 had hype, but that's because it was the much-anticipated sequel to a sleeper hit movie. Why? Because everyone loved the first, even those who caught it late enough to miss the hype. Snakes on a Plane just had media hype, which you got suckered into.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I won't deny there is one but they have to market the film or else they won't make money.
If anything, this movie is nothing more than an exercise in marketing using the internet. It's happening all over the world.
Arctic Monkeys, Lily Allen etc. They broke sales records off nothing but internet hype. Movies are inevitably going to attempt the same, and that's what this is.
-AC