Yoda and Windu vs. Exar Kun

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Originally posted by Illustrious
Tha makes you think they CAN surround him Akbar? The guy shook the ground as he walked, he had awesome powers backing him up. And why woudln't he have a saber as fast as GG? Grievous doesn't have the force aid, he doesn't have a specialized double bladed saber BUILT for speed, and he doesn't have his own style that was once again... built for speed. And we all know Speed Killls...

Uber Kun would have just as good a chance as anyone.

Again, you're right Janus, the fact that Hord was reportedly better, and the fact that Hord was only amongst the pantheon of great Sith like Sadow, Ragnos, Kressh, Simus, and the like, we can only imagine their power as titanic. The term used in the TOTJ comics, "godlike," is accurate.

That just seems way to overpowered..

Originally posted by Illustrious
Yeah, that's what having a double bladed lightsaber wielded at extreme speed and force powers the dwarf the other three do. His cortosis protects his torso, and his saber does the rest, like any sensible Jedi/Sith.

I'd like to see somebody parry strikes coming from three different directions at the same time with a single lightsaber...


That doesn't mean he dies in 10 seconds either? The Jedi couldn't even defend himself against Kun, he just got slaughtered. Anything that lasts that short of a time indicates he would have been simply overpowered, lightsaber or not.

Sorry Illustrious...what kind of logic is that ? Of course he would last longer having a decent weapon and being able to use all of his powers. If I hand you a stick and make you juggle balls with one hand and than attack you with a Katana you will die faster compared to having a Katana yourself and not juggle that balls.


Substantiate that he had to use force powers/concentration to do it. In the comics, it didn't particularly look like he was doing that badly.

To do what ? Make his walking stick able to parry a lightsaber ? A lightsaber cuts through everything except a few metal materials. Jedi don't have "Sith alchemy" - so either he had to use force powers to make it happen or he had a cortosis walking stick which I would doubt...
Not even mentioning the fact that it is told he augmented the staffs strength using the force...


Age? Yes. Experience? Debatable.

It is debatable that a 900 year old being has more experience than a 600 year old being ? Not even mentioning the fact that the 900 year old being had experience in frontline combat and face some of the best lightsaber duellists in his era where the 600 year old being did not ?


That's another thing I'd like you to substantiate.

As I said: Spellcasting is spellcasting. You have to focus on a spell while casting it and not after you did it. And please - how powerful do you think Kun is ? The most powerful Jedi had problems lifting heavy stuff yet Kun should be able to freeze thousands or ten-thousands of beings including other force users and keep them under control using his mind while "toying" around with the best lightsaber duellist of that era. And I should substantiate something ?


How is that Vodo "needed concentration" to break out of Kun's spell, but Kun didn't need concentration to hold the entire Senate and dozens of Jedi at least?

Kun needed concentration while casting the spell but not after it. Imagine it like that: You are casting a spell that - once casted - will create an energy field that will freeze anybody who gets in it's range (yourself excepted). Now when you finished casting that field is there and you don't have to care about it any longer but anybody who enteres the field has to resist it or use concentration to break out of the spell.


You said it yourself, no one was on Kun's level. That alone bodes well for him. In that same whim, if you believe Yoda was so great, who was there to push his limits? Mace? That would at least imply Mace's level was comparable. You've reached a non sequitur, considering you said Yoda was better.

So to just clarify, be consistent with your logic, don't say Kun was hampered because he had no one to spar with, but Yoda wasn't.

Oh please. How many time did pass between Kun's and Ulic's duel and the time Kun was defeated. A year ? Yoda had 875 years (so about 35 generations of Jedi Knights to spare with) to develop his lightsaber skills where Kun had MUCH lesser time and only one decent opponent for lightsaber combat (Ulic).

How much do you think somebody who only has one opponent and some years (at best) of time can develop his fighting skills compared to somebody having 9 centuries of time and serveral thousands of different opponents to choose from ?


Substantiate? He slashed up a guy of similar style as him, so why would Yoda be any harder to hit for Kun?

a) Vodo was actually bigger than Yoda
b) How you want to compare Yoda to Vodo in lightsaber combat when we never saw Vodo using a lightsaber ?

Can you substantiate that Yoda is similar to Vodo ?

@Janus


First, Nai is bias in favor of Yoda. While he did bring up some good points, I'm not about to drop anything and listen to him. I like Nai, he can put forward good stuff, but his adherence to Yoda being the best duellist of all time is starting to trickle into everything he says about the guy. He says in one breath that ancient Sith lords would play tennis with Mace's head without weapons, but that Yoda could take on Kun and Ragnos, despite the fact that Yoda didn't take out Sidious that easily, and Sidious is a ***** compared to the others.

Second, popular opinion I was refering to is this: Kun > Yoda or Mace by far.

Pardon me ?
I said that "some" ancient Sith Lords would play tennis with Mace's head without even thinking of using their weapons but I was actually thinking of Ragnos (who would also play tennis with Yoda's head) and not about Exar Kun.

And when I talk about "saber skills" I'm talking about "saber skills" and not about "force powers". Of course Yoda would get his ass kicked by Ragnos, Sadow, Nadd and even Kun when it comes to force powers but at the same moment they engage in a sheer lightsaber fight they will lose because if three persons using lightsabers accelerating their movements with force powers aren't able to hit an unarmed Yoda how would a single person be able to do that to an armed Yoda ?

And here it's just the situation. I doubt that Yoda would be able to defeat Kun in a duel (same counts for Nadd, Sadow, Ragnos) but I also doubt that Kun would be able to defeat Yoda, Dooku and Mace at once unless he kills Yoda before the fight has even started...and I doubt that he would be able to do that...

Just think of it like that: What can Kun do ? Use Sith powers ? Great...for all we know he had to use spellcasting (= some amount of time) to freeze the Senate. The Massasi draining was part of a ritual (even taking a longer amount of time than the Senate freezing). So best he can give them is terrible powerful Sith lightning that can be deflected by lightsabers while we have seen Dooku deflecting some with his bare hands and Yoda simply absorbing it.

So this would result in somebody being pushed back. Yet Kun has to use Sith lightning on one opponent and fend another off with his lightsaber - that still leaves one opponent to cut him into pieces.

Or he doesn't use any force powers and tries to parry Yoda (a goddamn mixer aimed with a lightsaber), Mace (somebody using a lightsaber technique that is named after an animal that slashes opponents serveral hundret times per second and that Kun doesn't even know) and Dooku (using the "ultimate refinement in lightsaber vs lightsaber combat"😉 - you better tell me how to do that.

So as far as my imagination goes all possible scenarios end with Kun dead unless you say he will simply throw an entire building on Dooku, Mace and Yoda (which he might do) but that would be spoiling the fun.

Omg way too overpowered, everyone here is making out Exar Kun seem like a "god" and that he could take on 15 Sith Lords at a time. Give me a damn break.

well actually D CP, the ancient sith were gods, go read page two on the Ulic vs Revan thread for lots of info on the ancient sith, however, here is the info on Kun again:

Exar was an exceptional duelling master.
He also was able to freeze the entire (which had jedi that were in the building) with one spell and then rescue his apprentice and kill an extremely powerful jedi master and nobody could do a thing about it. This jedi master was also very similar to Yoda and been training for 600 years, also remember that the jedi master was training during the height or war in the republic so he knew battle better than Yoda did.
The jedi order also sent thousands of jedi to kill Exar. He was able to repel all of them long enough to preserve his spirit for thousands of years.

And Exar did study alot, Vodo-Baas says that Exar is the most powerful student he has ever trained and the most powerful force user of that time, and Vodo was similar to Yoda, he trained lots of jedi over a long period of time, and if Exar was the best, that means something.

Exar also studied alot, he was fascinated by the sith teachings in Vodo's holocron. Exar also learned under the ancient sith, like Freedon Nadd and Marka Ragnos, he would still be very smart. It is also worth noting that the ancient sith said that Exar would be the one to bring about the golden age of the sith and said that he was the Dark Lord of the Sith, over Ulic-Qel Droma.

Exar Kun was also able to destroy the entire massassani race, quite a feat. He drained their life force and used it to prolong his life.

His apprentice, Ulic, was a powerful jedi and dueller in his own right, but Exar was his unquestioned master and the ancient sith said that Kun would be the dark lord, not Ulic, this means that Kun is stronger than Ulic was.

He was also able to hide as a sith in the middle of the jedi stronghold (Ossus) and recruit jedi to become sith, without the jedi even knowing what he was doing, that's got to take some pretty impreesive power. He decived the best jedi in the order, took sith stuff and recruited new allies from the midst of the jedi ranks, lied to the jedi masters, and they couldn't even tell it was going on! Also, this planet (and its sun) were later blown up by Kun so anybody after him would have no knowledge of those things that Exar knew.

Also, he invented his own lightsaber, Exar was the person who invented the double blade lightsaber. He also designed his own unique style of duelling, something that he never tought to anyone and was lost after his defeat. So nobody other than him and Ulic had any idea what to expect from him (everyone else he faced ended up dead)

He is also an amazing dueller, after he decided to try against Vodo (a lightsaber master), Vodo died in around 10 seconds, before that Kun was just toying with him. Toying with him! In the middle of the senate chamber on the same planet as the jedi temple, he could still toy with one of the best duellers in the jedi order and win hands down.

Kun also learned loads of stuff from Ossus, which was later destroyed by him so anyone after him couldn't have learned anything from it, he also used sith holocrons and had the private notes of Naga Sadow, another sith who could blow up a sun. Naga was also a dark lord of the sith from 1000 years before Exar and was Marka Ragnos apprentice and had an amazing grasp of the dark side, Exar learned it all.
Kun was able to walk into the heart of the republic senate, freeze them all, kill their leader and a jedi master, and walk out, nobody could do a thing. This is in the heart of the jedi order! He was also able to kill a beast which is probably very similar to a terentek, or better, with very few problems. Exar was also able to walk into another jedi stronghold (Ossus), kill more jedi, steal the artifacts, and walk out again, unharmed. He was also able to destroy Freedon Nadd with no problems.

Think about how he died, he was faced against 10 000 jedi, and the republic fleet. Under those circumstances, anyone would have died. Exar died sure, but he was able to hold the entire fleet off with the force until he was able to figure out a plan to keep himself alive. Exar was able to kill off an entire race, numbering thousands, to keep himself alive, sure he was killed 4000 years later, but it still took 14 jedi, 12 padawans, Luke and Kuns old master to kill him. Think about it, 2 lightsabers, 12 padawans/knights, 2 jedi masters (including one of the most powerful jedi ever; Luke and the old version of Yoda, Vodo-Baas, he trained lots of jedi, for some reason I think of him like an old Yoda), to kill off Kun's 4000 year old ionized air particles! He must have been near godlike when he was alive.

When Kun walked, the ground shook underneath him from the shear power of the dark side emanating from his body.

Exar did invent his own style of lightsaber combat, the double blade, also, his double blade was different than any other double blade. He was able to move it faster and aim more than with other double blades. Also, since few people had never seen a double bladed sabre, it would throw them off. He can move his lightsaber so quickly that almost anyone he faced would be sliced before he knew what was going on.

Exar wore armor with a cortosis weave in it, allowing him to recieve hits from a lightsaber without doing him damage.

He was also a powerful sith alchemist and created several beasts.

When Kun walked, the ground shook underneath him from the shear power of the dark side emanating from his body.

I don't think when the merchant in KOTOR said that he meant it literally. I think he was just a saying to say Kun was pretty powerful, but not a god. Just because he invented his own style and made his lightsaber 'different and faster' doesn't mean that he is really awesome. I can understand his force powers and all, but the lightsaber part is really overrated.

Interesting proposal, hmmmm, I would have to say, after a long battle, Yoda & Windu would win, with Windu tragicaly dieing ❌

yoda take him high?
haha
im just teasing ya jim
no mace yoda and dooku
hmmmm
idk
the 3 would take him

this is how it goes. Exar jumps into the air and uses a force crush (he is a supreme master of the force) to kill, ohh, mace who jumped after him or didnt your choice but mace dies. Then when landing he uses a push to land safely. He charges dooku with lightning. remember this Exar>sids>dooku in the force. Kun can put so much power into his lightning that he knocks dookus lightsaber out of dookus hands before yoda reaches Kun. While dookus blade is in the air Exar will use a crush to break it. He will jump when yoda is right behind him and slay and unarmed dooku. Yoda is green sushi.

Now let me explain all this. Exar is Exar>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mace in force powers so ripping the guys lungs or heart out will be easy.

Now the lightsaber is held in a HAND. When the huge amount of lightning hits a guy that cant bench press 20 pounds his blade is going flying. the rest is self explanitory.

Thats ridiculous. Your story is lame. You know.. Jedi can protect themselves. You make it sound so easy.. this is where fanboyism kicks in..

no Kun is just really strong

He isn't that strong. Stop being a gay fanboy.

Yeah, but your making him sound like he could take out Naga Sadow!

Which he actually might be able to do. . .

Not a chance. Naga would definatly take Exar.

Have you lost your mind Faunus!?

no way he can not beat Sadow. But he is very strong and that is unquestionable

Sorry for the double post but how the hell did Exar's power skyrocket?

I'm not sure.

Originally posted by Lord Simus
Have you lost your mind Faunus!?

Ah. So now the one person online who's not in your Exar-hating possy is out of their mind. . . interesting.

No but saying Kun can beat Sadow is ludicrous.