Yoda and Windu vs. Exar Kun

Akbar, let's go over this again...

The lightsaber fight only lasted about 1 minute or so. Before they both seperated and sids started to throw senate pods at yoda... how was yoda suppose to beat him when he had to dodge every pod thrown at him.

If this was enough to put Yoda out of the fight, someone with more Force power (read: Kun) should be able to easily do that.

And yoda lost his lightsaber because of the force lightning. Big mistake.

Indeed, big mistake. So if Sith lightning caused Yoda to drop his saber, Kun's Sith lightning should be able to as well.

So yoda had very bad luck, and you know it. The entire fight was in sids favor.

There is no luck; there is only the Force.

Was this Yoda's "bad Force" moment? Or perhaps we should entertain the possibility that he was overmatched in that scenario, and by more than you're letting on?

No luck, What about Obi-Wan?

Obi-Wan sets himself up very well. There's a certain wisdom when he fights, even if he doesn't have the ability to simply overpower opponents.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Akbar, let's go over this again...

[B]The lightsaber fight only lasted about 1 minute or so. Before they both seperated and sids started to throw senate pods at yoda... how was yoda suppose to beat him when he had to dodge every pod thrown at him.

If this was enough to put Yoda out of the fight, someone with more Force power (read: Kun) should be able to easily do that.

And yoda lost his lightsaber because of the force lightning. Big mistake.

Indeed, big mistake. So if Sith lightning caused Yoda to drop his saber, Kun's Sith lightning should be able to as well.

So yoda had very bad luck, and you know it. The entire fight was in sids favor.

There is no luck; there is only the Force.

Was this Yoda's "bad Force" moment? Or perhaps we should entertain the possibility that he was overmatched in that scenario, and by more than you're letting on? [/B]

If it was enough to put him out of the fight? They were fighting on a small tiny pod, where sidious took up the most space and yoda had exactly where to go? Ataru is practiced in massive areas, it is easier to move around, yet in that fight sids took up the most space and just defended himself(gave ground)
Yes but question is would yoda absorb it all, and make that force boom

or would his lightning overcome yoda? OK there is the force, so what your saying is that Sidious overpowered yoda in the force, because Yoda wasnt able to put him down? Is yoda weaker because of that? Yoda broke every saber lock, with the force, so he is the better force user there, he can asorb lightning... Sidious cant do that.. Sids tried to run, you dont see sith do that. Again KUn is more powerful than Yoda, no doubt, but I would give Yoda a fair chance against him than any other jedi.

Well, the point is there is no clear, solid case for Yoda and his crew winning this fight. If there was, I'd admit it, but the only real thing people are going with are either

- über PT jedi powers which were previously undetected.

- three on one wins every time all the time, regardless.

well, just a little something to add, Mace should be immune to Exar's force powers.

Vaapad is more than a fighting style. It is a state of mind: a channel for darkness. Power passed into him and out again without touching him.

The guy who, quote Janus, "could find his way out of a contract with the devil" seems to agree with this. This is from the book, and it surprised me that Janus would like someone who believe what the ep3 novelization says.

Janus, this isn't even three on one.

I read that myself. While Mister Wong seems fine with it, I'm not so convinced. For one, Mace Windu didn't absorb the Force lightning that came his way when his arm was hacked off. Second, in the movie Mace was struggling under the brunt of the attack. Of it was a casual thing and Vaapad made him immune to this, he would not have a problem holding his balance. He would have channeled the dark side energy and struck Sidious down. He didn't. Therefore while Mister Wong seems to let this slide, I don't.

And to be completely fair, that is the only instance I disagree with Mister Wong. Everything else is usually well thought out.

And remember, this same Mister Wong also said that Sidious didn't use his energy reserves while Yoda did. This, if we take it to heart, means that Yoda is weaker in the Force than we think.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
And remember, this same Mister Wong also said that Sidious didn't use his energy reserves while Yoda did. This, if we take it to heart, means that Yoda is weaker in the Force than we think.

Well...this dude would argue porn good in a debate. Read his personal website. There is a link to it from stardestroyer.net

Originally posted by Deus Ex
I read that myself. While Mister Wong seems fine with it, I'm not so convinced. For one, Mace Windu didn't absorb the Force lightning that came his way when his arm was hacked off. Second, in the movie Mace was struggling under the brunt of the attack. Of it was a casual thing and Vaapad made him immune to this, he would not have a problem holding his balance. He would have channeled the dark side energy and struck Sidious down. He didn't. Therefore while Mister Wong seems to let this slide, I don't.

And to be completely fair, that is the only instance I disagree with Mister Wong. Everything else is usually well thought out.

And remember, this same Mister Wong also said that Sidious didn't use his energy reserves while Yoda did. This, if we take it to heart, means that Yoda is weaker in the Force than we think.

The same Mr. Wong who pretty much ignores the EU since he operates under Lucasfilm "canon policy" ? Not the best source to use here...

I am going to say, I have been partly swayed in this fight. I am now unsure as to who the victor would be(I know, changing my mind). This is because I didn't realize it was several years AFTER Exar killed Nadd's spirit that he hit his peak. So basically, Exar was about to be killed by the Massassi, then he gets a (presumably) extremely powerful Sith Amulet and kills the nearby Massassi and Nadd's spirit. Then he uses Naga's technology and works to alter the Massassi into powerful warriors. He plans to take two of them and go kill Crado(or maybe it was Cay), Nomi, and Ulic. Well, Ulic kills some Krath dude and takes Nadd's Amulet becoming very powerful. He and Exar fight to a stand still and THEN train for a long time, presumably taking Naga's teaching's with them.

Although I still think he would lose in the other thread, I'd give him a very good chance in this thread, winning probably 9 out of 10 times.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
The same Mr. Wong who pretty much ignores the EU since he operates under Lucasfilm "canon policy" ? Not the best source to use here...

Are you serious? Mr. Wong uses the exact same canon policy as we use here according to the forum rules and it's more accurate than any other variant you'll find.

You're... discrediting him for that?

Right.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Are you serious? Mr. Wong uses the exact same canon policy as we use here according to the forum rules and it's more accurate than any other variant you'll find.

You're... discrediting him for that?

Right.

He only does look at the "canon" sources (films, novelizations) and this is quite useless considering the fact this is an EU board. That's what I was trying to say...

No, he DOES cite other EU novels. Read the entire site.

My God what a mess this thread is...

Originally posted by Deus Ex
No, he DOES cite other EU novels. Read the entire site.

Oh...sorry...just have gone throught the link you've posted and that very much seemed like NOT using EU sources.

Not on the link, Nai. That is an evaluation on the movie. He did bring up the novelisation, but he has used other EU sources on other parts of his website.

canon is a point of view.

Expect a big post from Ush on that.. 😛

Originally posted by darthsupremus
canon is a point of view.

Tell that to Ush.