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Find Your Own Fire
Originally posted by kevdude
... About the 1st statement when they are both talking when Ganthet tells Parallax Spectre is more powerful Parallax says "LIES, You forgot nothing, you allowed for this to happen, without chaos, without evil in the universe you have no reason to exist" Parallax believes Ganthet is lying about what he just said and he believes himself Ganthet is more powerful which he is not..
This is exactly why I am taking issue with your positions. You're interpretation of that quote is so far off, man. The 'lies' that Parallax is referring to is when Ganthet references how he was 'free of Parallax's taking away his memories!' Remember when Ganthet and Kyle explain why Ganthet didn't recognize Parallax was free and both hypothesized that Ganthet was somehow brainwashed or influenced by Parallax into forgetting? Ollie and Parallax both reiterate, "That's garbage! They knew!" Ollie thinks they can't be trusted and Parallax believes Ganthet is just purely lying because Ganthet's existence as a Guardian strives on the existence of fear. Without fear and chaos, there is no need for order and the Guardians. I can't believe you think Parallax is referencing Ganthet's comment about how the Power of the Guardians dwarfs the Spectre!
Originally posted by kevdude
The Redemption vs Vengeance storyline was not injected into the story by me it was injected into the story by DC and the writers themselves! If you followed that storyline along with this 1 it makes sense. Also Hal redeemed himself by fighting the evil that was in him and he does know he was half responsible and everyone else knows that as well, they are not taking all of the blame away from Hal. For people to say DC is just leting Hal off scot free and saying he isn't to blame or he didn't really mean it they don't understand or haven't read everything through correctly. Hal wouldn't even probably remember that part about him needed redeemed because after he was seperated from Spectre he even says he doesn't remember much of what happened while he was connected with him(Spectre).
Look. There is a reason why this storyline was made. It was to absolve Hal, so that he could return to being a hero. DC dumped this job on Geoff Johns. Although a lot of people have taken issue with this, including myself, that is ultimately the resolution. It is NOT called Green Lantern: Redemption. Rebirth means a new beginning. It means that Hal is free! Everything that happened was the result of Parallax's influence! That's the way the story ends and stands! Hal never says once, "I feel redeemed." He doesn't say, "Now I need to redeem myself." He doesn't say, "There's no way for me to redeem myself." He doesn't say, "Spectre wants vengeance, I just want redemption." You know what he says? He says, "I should have known! If I had known. I would have fought against it!" What does Batman say, "You expect me to believe this? That everything was the result of some parasite influencing you?" How does Hal respond? He doesn't get on the ground and say, "No. You're right. It is my fault and I have to redeem myself." He says, "I don't care what you think." He doesn't have to answer to anybody for Hallax's actions, especially not the one character who wants to hold it against him so badly.
Again, the ultimate resolution of this storyline, is that Hal is free to make his own decisions. No more fear controlling him. No more cries for vengeance. He's in control, in the cockpit, so to speak. Where does Hal go in the new ongoing series? He doesn't go apologizing to ANYBODY. He goes on living his life and trying to pick up its broken pieces by going back to where he left off! For you to say the point of Rebirth was a 'redemption vs vengeance' storyline is so far off from people's interpretations, it leads me to believe that your preconception of Spectre > Ganthet w/ Power of Guardians has completely ruined this storyline for you. For that, I just feel sorry. Now look, Rebirth is an excuse in many people's opinions. But that is what it is and the way DC intended it. They needed Hal back, they didn't want him wrapped up in guilt. Therefore, he needed to be absolved. Absolution does not involve redemption. For you to warp this absolution around to fit your needs of redemption just to show proof as to why Spectre didn't seperate them is what I call 'injecting plot.'
So far, you guys have been bringing up new point after new point and they ultimately fail in convincing me. The ONLY point I am at a loss for is Shazam's apparent defeat. BTW, thanks for spoiling that for me guys. I haven't gotten to my comic shop this week. 😠 But in any case, if we assume Shazam's power is completely destroyed, I have to say that Shazam did not represent all of magic, nor did it represent a considerable, fundamental part of the Source/Presence, while the Power of the Guardians does. Weak? Maybe. But let us consider the opposite: If Shazam has survived, and will resurface later, or has transferred his power elsewhere, than this evidence is in my favor in showing how Spectre couldn't vanquish Shazam or his power. Therefore, until we see Crisis resolve itself, this could go either way.
You never adequately countered my 6 original wrongs. You have come up with new points that I have shot down like the editor's oversight and these last two interpretations of quotes. Hell, you even forced me to rationalize the grand order of the DC universe and I have never asked the same of you. You guys need to give it up and concede that my position is stronger. Every new argument of you guys is leading further away from the original 6 premises and is digging yourself further and further into inconsistency. If you want, I can organize a new list of inconsistencies with your opinion and literally pump it back up to nearly a dozen different fallacies and contradictions. But all I need from you, is cogent explanations of the first original 6. The only one I have received a cogent response is to #3. But like I said, that was merely a trap for you and you avoided it.