Ganthet vs Spectre! Once and for all!

Oh... waitaminute! That cheater! He stole the magic from Shazam! That's how he regenerated. That's how he wins ultimately. Even Spectre says clearly, "Do you finally comprehend, Wizard? In duress, I can take magic from anywhere." Here he explains why he could take out Shazam. He cheated by drawing out his magic and taking it for himself. As you can see, from these last three illustrations: Spectre, by his own power, can't hope to beat a Quintessential being. He will get whupped. Only by virtue of being a magical being himself, was he able to suck out Shazam's incredible power.

If he fought Ganthet, he would get his ass sorely whupped like Shazam initally did. So the real point of the matter now is: Can Spectre suck out the Power of the Guardians from Ganthet? Doubt it. He couldn't do it to Hallax during Zero Hour and he couldn't suck out the fear that drove Parallax. Guess its a one-trick pony that works only on magic. But again... the most important thing to leave this argument with,... is: When the Spectre was using his OWN power, a Quintessential being smacked the crap out of him. So we see now, why Quintessential beings like Ganthet dwarf the Spectre.

Now let me move onto #4, since #2-3 are pretty much the same.

#4 Why did Geoff Johns make P-infected Ganthet look more threatening than P-infected Spectre/Jordan and used the former as the climax? You responded:

Originally posted by kevdude
3. I wouldn't say the stakes was lowered they could have lost the battle still and lost Ganthet was well, Parallax was getting more determinded because he had beings that was actually fighting him and putting up a good fight, this made him try and start effecting more and more people in Los Angeles riots was breaking out feeding Parallax's power and cops was trigger happy in Star City.

I mean... there just isn't any comparison at all. You surmised that maybe Ganthellax was bigger because Parallax, knowing he had less power, wanted to put fear into the heroes. Pretty good logic, except for one thing. He was kicking the crap out of those heroes before, and none of them posed any threat whatsoever. Why try to intimidate those who can't affect you in any way? Even Guy, Kilowog or Stewart at that moment were still useless. In fact, the only ones he was afraid of, were Hal and Kyle. And they weren't even there.

I think this is the MOST logical explanation behind the vast differences in appearance. Ganthellax is seriously more powerful than Spectrehallax. It shows a heightened crisis, which is very logical for the end of the story and the pictures and plot illustrate this very well.

#5 Why did Ganthet not know he was less powerful than the Spectre? You responded:

Originally posted by kevdude
4. In your view Ganthet is more powerful then Spectre in mine he isn't so if your saying u believe that he thinks hes more powerful then The Spectre then I would say he is wrong for thinking that. I wouldn't call him dumb or something like that he's just way to over confiedent in his powers.

I'm not trying to twist your words so that you're suggesting Ganthet is a fool. What I mean is that they are very very very wise. After all, they've been around since the beginning of time. I think its safe to assume they know what their place in the universe is. After all, a lot of the things I posted earlier help support that Ganthet was indeed, very correct about his statement. Including the scan at the bottom. Hell, in GL Corps: Recharge #1, thats the opening blurb!

BTW, I won't post anything else in that comic because to do that would be to spoil it, since its only been out for less than 2 weeks. Unfortunately, others have not been so polite. I mean, there is stuff in that book that I think supports 'Ganthet > Spectre,' but I am considerate dammit! 😠 I mean, at least wait 2 weeks before discussing new comics! DON'T SPOIL!

#6 Why did Parallax refer to Spectre and Jordan as mere hosts during their trinity conversation, and also repeat Ganthet's utterances that Ganthet > Spectre right before he infected him? And finally we come to the end. You responded:

Originally posted by kevdude
5. he is very much contradicting himself because he's way to confident in himself, he thinks hes won the battle between Hal/Spectre so he doesn't care about them.. Parallax even said when he was going into Ganthet 'You said The Spectre was nothing compared to your power guardian, and Parallax still lives in You' if they did indeed mean for Ganthet to say hes more powerful then Spectre in the first 1 then they messed up bad. Parallax is telling Guardian he isn't as powerful as The Spectre and if he was as powerful as The Spectre why isn't he going to stop him now???? He can't stop him because he's not as powerful as The Spectre.

It's been a fine debate and I hope to hear more. Again, I'm not saying your ideas are foolish. You could read GL: Rebirth and DoV that way, but I think they more logically read in a different way. And that different way evidences how 'Ganthet w/ Power of Guardians > Spectre.'

...who the Hell is Ganthet?😕

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
...who the Hell is Ganthet?😕

here...
http://dccomics.com/secret_files/dc_character.php?sc_dc_itemCode=ganthet

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
...who the Hell is Ganthet?😕

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
😆 This is Ganthet, you numbnuts:

Just because I don't keep up with GL stuff doesn't make me a numbnuts. 🙁

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
Just because I don't keep up with GL stuff doesn't make me a numbnuts. 🙁

Here, from what I have seen this has the most indepth DC information site I have seen. Just search for the character here and get a bio

http://www.dcuguide.com/Who_Home.php

Yes, but I dont see, why Specs cant just absorb Ganthets powers ??

cheating vs Shazam ehh umm no that is a part of his power, just because Shazam says something does not mean it is true, when they was talking The Spectre tells him before the fight "Do you think to understand me? Can you actually imagine id look for wisdom in the insipid babble of a child?" that is clearly saying The Spectre owns anyone he wants except The Presence himself or Lucifer/Michael.... he can draw power from anyone anywhere whenever he wants to help him out which he clearly did. Hes been fighting for MONTHS and during these MONTHS Shazam has had TIME to get ready for the fight which he did and he LOST. what chance would Ganthet have against The Spectre?? NONE, the Spectre knows hes going to win given it be a hard fight or a easy fight he will win!!!!

The combined forces of the guardians with Ganthet couldn't beat Doomsday how are they ever going to beat The Spectre?? they Can't hes above them.... the Spectre needed Hals help because he was wanting Redemption other then Vengeance, notice BEFORE Hal and The Spectre was separated Hal asks Spectre to help him what is Spectres replay??? "ONLY IN VENGEANCE" after a few seconds we turn the page and I'm guessing Hal finally gives into the Spectre into wanting Vengeance and The Spectre alone separates them all. Its another way of separating them from Parallax that Hal/Spectre used then what Ganthet and the 5 GLs used in separating Parallax from Ganthet.... The Spectre and Hal used Vengeance to seperate them from Parallax, while Ganthet and the 5 GLs used Will Power to seperate them from Parallax....

I have already thought of all these things and continue to say The Spectre > Ganthet... Nothing you have ever shown has shown Ganthet > The Spectre, in more you have shown more how The Spectre > Ganthet because he was able to take away power from a full powered Shazam when he was in his own dimension...

The Spectre owns Shazam/Ganthet and pretty much everyone else in the DCU... trust me reread rebirth and the DOV comics another 10 times and you will understand what I'm saying, if not then try reading a few comics of The Spectre with Hal as his Host or whatever and you will understand.... 📖

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
Yes, but I dont see, why Specs cant just absorb Ganthets powers ??

Because, like himself, Parralax is not abeing of Power, he is just a hollow conscience........ If Parralax HAD his OWN power, he surely wouldve struggle to break free from his prison !!!

Parrlax is a spirit who needs a host, a body to do stuff, just like Cyborg Supez !!!

Keep in mind people, Spectre was weakened when he went into the battle against Shazam

"Your overconfidence is misplaced, Ghost! You're still weakened from days of struggle, while I'm in my place of power"

Well, keep in mind wizard, for he is THE WRATH OF GOD !!!

Originally posted by kevdude
cheating vs Shazam ehh umm no that is a part of his power, just because Shazam says something does not mean it is true, when they was talking The Spectre tells him before the fight "Do you think to understand me? Can you actually imagine id look for wisdom in the insipid babble of a child?" that is clearly saying The Spectre owns anyone he wants except The Presence himself or Lucifer/Michael.... he can draw power from anyone anywhere whenever he wants to help him out which he clearly did. Hes been fighting for MONTHS and during these MONTHS Shazam has had TIME to get ready for the fight which he did and he LOST. what chance would Ganthet have against The Spectre?? NONE, the Spectre knows hes going to win given it be a hard fight or a easy fight he will win!!!!

The combined forces of the guardians with Ganthet couldn't beat Doomsday how are they ever going to beat The Spectre?? they Can't hes above them.... the Spectre needed Hals help because he was wanting Redemption other then Vengeance, notice BEFORE Hal and The Spectre was separated Hal asks Spectre to help him what is Spectres replay??? "ONLY IN VENGEANCE" after a few seconds we turn the page and I'm guessing Hal finally gives into the Spectre into wanting Vengeance and The Spectre alone separates them all. Its another way of separating them from Parallax that Hal/Spectre used then what Ganthet and the 5 GLs used in separating Parallax from Ganthet.... The Spectre and Hal used Vengeance to seperate them from Parallax, while Ganthet and the 5 GLs used Will Power to seperate them from Parallax....

I have already thought of all these things and continue to say The Spectre > Ganthet... Nothing you have ever shown has shown Ganthet > The Spectre, in more you have shown more how The Spectre > Ganthet because he was able to take away power from a full powered Shazam when he was in his own dimension...

The Spectre owns Shazam/Ganthet and pretty much everyone else in the DCU... trust me reread rebirth and the DOV comics another 10 times and you will understand what I'm saying, if not then try reading a few comics of The Spectre with Hal as his Host or whatever and you will understand.... 📖

And also, when did Hal in any of my scans ever respond to Spectre's cry for vengeance during that struggle? He pretty much dismisses it entirely. Spectre's cry for vengeance is distracting Hal from fighting Parallax properly. Hal can't fight Parallax with vengeance. He has to fight it with courage and willpower. Are you arguing this? How many scans and arguments of Hal dismissing redemption and vengeance both in the same sentences do you need to figure out that neither mattered against Parallax?

Redemption was pointless since everything that Hal did as Hallax was done because of Parallax's schemes! That theme is a little bit forced in this storyline by Geoff Johns, but how can you argue that wasn't the intent and purpose of this storyline for DC's editors?! Hal Jordan DOES NOT redeem his or Parallax's actions NOR does he cast vengeance on Parallax. HE CONQUERS GREAT FEAR WITH WILLPOWER AND COURAGE.

Yes, but that still dont explain why he cant absorb GL powers........ ??

He cant absorb Parrlax,its made of FEAR !!! not power !!!

any other forum which debates Ganthet or Shazam > Spectre clearly shows everyone teaching the person that believes Ganthet > Spectre as not true.. Your forums that you brought up shows a few people believed at 1 time from reading Rebirth that Ganthet > Spectre.. They was then taught that the Spectre > Ganthet from everyone on that forum reading Rebirth/DOV and also reading Hal/Spectres comic book and reading JSA a few months before Rebirth.

So because The Spectre is more able to think farther ahead and more smarter then his opponent he is cheating??? No, it is still a part of The Spectre whether Shazam likes it or not... Also the only time Hal has ever wanted to destroy anything was when he turned into Vengeance, right after Parallax was freed from Hal/Spectre he DEMANDED The Spectre to destroy him (something Hal has never tried to do with anyone other then Darksied). The Spectre then told him well you know you have the comic in your hands...

Hal Jordan conquered great fear with Will Power and Courage while he was alive in his real body fighting Parallax with the other 4 GLs... not in the Spirit.. He never conquered it while he was with The Spectre. He only chose to finally give into The Spectres demands for Vengeance when nothing else worked..

Fear/Parallax is everyones emotions in the universe combined into 1, it is even The Spectres fear some could say.

So Parralx is th embodiment of fear in teh whole DCU ?? WHOA !!

yea thats what he is, Parallax = Fear

Thats whack...... Hal Jordan must had a ton of courage and willpower... !!!!