Can a "good" Jedi, (any class) use Force lighting?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Actually, Sorgo, the Force pull technique is used by the Jedi all over all 6 of the Star Wars films.

Well, in my opinion it is at least. It also depends on what you consider Force pull, even though the word itself makes it simply obvious to what it is and actually does.

When Jedi summon their lightsabers from an unreachable distance, would you consider that Force pull?

And Sorge, not trying to bust your chops or no one else's for that matter as I am in agreement with you even if your path towards the idea is at a different area than mine but we're still headed in the same direction towards the same point.

Okay, they use force pull. That's only one of my points that has been shot down, though.

Originally posted by Spelljammer

I'm sure Palpatine thought it was all relative too when he convinced the universe

Only those who have blocked themselves from hearing think in complexity..

lol omg, dude what?

ROTLMfAO

On your second statement...You got that right, lol but change complexity into confusion. It'd be more of a fitting word.

Besides, out of all the psychokinetics, which ones do we asscosiate with evil people?

Empathy:
Commonly used by Jedi to change the feelings of individuals. Anywhere from neutral to good. Ohnoes! 🙄 This can be used evily to distort feelings into anger, resentment, and other negative emotions. Commonly used by evil magicians such as BLACKMAGES from final fantasy when they use confusion and rage.

Telepathy:
Telepathy is a pretty neutral power and used mostly to deliever and receive information.

Psychometabolism:
The art of empowering one's body through the mind. This is mostly used for self-defence as shown through martial artists. Ofcourse it can be abused but then again, so can anything. The point is sense it is innard the power, the only way it can be evil, is if the self is evil and uses it wrongly.

Metacreativity:
Here we go. The "evocation". When you think lightning bolts and fireballs, do you think about a calm, collected person? I seriously doubt it. You either think teenage punk who found a spellbook, or crazy old wizard. This is precisely proof why this is the darkside of The Force. Whatever excuse you could makeup to use metacreativity is poor and vain, for that matter why didn't you just use psychometabolism? That way you empower YOURSELF, rather then manipulate what is around you. It's alot harder to have ill intentions when the only one being influenced by The Force is you.. not to meation, if we traditionaly see metacreativity as wrong and psychometabolism as right, why bother to change the view? What could it solve? All it does it bring arguments. Which makes you come across as an atognostic fool.. IE: darkside..

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Besides, out of all the psychokinetics, which ones do we asscosiate with evil people?

[b]Empathy:
Commonly used by Jedi to change the feelings of individuals. Anywhere from neutral to good. Ohnoes! 🙄 This can be used evily to distort feelings into anger, resentment, and other negative emotions. Commonly used by evil magicians such as BLACKMAGES from final fantasy when they use confusion and rage.

Telepathy:
Telepathy is a pretty neutral power and used mostly to deliever and receive information.

Psychometabolism:
The art of empowering one's body through the mind. This is mostly used for self-defence as shown through martial artists. Ofcourse it can be abused but then again, so can anything. The point is sense it is innard the power, the only way it can be evil, is if the self is evil and uses it wrongly.

Metacreativity:
Here we go. The "evocation". When you think lightning bolts and fireballs, do you think about a calm, collected person? I seriously doubt it. You either think teenage punk who found a spellbook, or crazy old wizard. This is precisely proof why this is the darkside of The Force. Whatever excuse you could makeup to use metacreativity is poor and vain, for that matter why didn't you just use psychometabolism? That way you empower YOURSELF, rather then manipulate what is around you. It's alot harder to have ill intentions when the only one being influenced by The Force is you.. not to meation, if we traditionaly see metacreativity as wrong and psychometabolism as right, why bother to change the view? What could it solve? All it does it bring arguments. Which makes you come across as an atognostic fool.. IE: darkside.. [/B]

You're going far too deep. It Star Wars, buddy. Any of the previous things you mentioned could have been switched around to fit within the Star Wars Universe. You cannot use that logic.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Besides, out of all the psychokinetics, which ones do we asscosiate with evil people?

[b]Empathy:
Commonly used by Jedi to change the feelings of individuals. Anywhere from neutral to good. Ohnoes! 🙄 This can be used evily to distort feelings into anger, resentment, and other negative emotions. Commonly used by evil magicians such as BLACKMAGES from final fantasy when they use confusion and rage.

Telepathy:
Telepathy is a pretty neutral power and used mostly to deliever and receive information.

Psychometabolism:
The art of empowering one's body through the mind. This is mostly used for self-defence as shown through martial artists. Ofcourse it can be abused but then again, so can anything. The point is sense it is innard the power, the only way it can be evil, is if the self is evil and uses it wrongly.

Metacreativity:
Here we go. The "evocation". When you think lightning bolts and fireballs, do you think about a calm, collected person? I seriously doubt it. You either think teenage punk who found a spellbook, or crazy old wizard. This is precisely proof why this is the darkside of The Force. Whatever excuse you could makeup to use metacreativity is poor and vain, for that matter why didn't you just use psychometabolism? That way you empower YOURSELF, rather then manipulate what is around you. It's alot harder to have ill intentions when the only one being influenced by The Force is you.. not to meation, if we traditionaly see metacreativity as wrong and psychometabolism as right, why bother to change the view? What could it solve? All it does it bring arguments. Which makes you come across as an atognostic fool.. IE: darkside.. [/B]

Umm...Let's see...

What should I get.

I'll have a small version of whatever, in God's name, you wrote, in English, hold the Physio-McTabolism and the BS.

And, hmm....a side order of what your point is.

Thanks.

Originally posted by Sorgo
The Lightsaber a Tool? Right.

The Jedi don't carry the Lightsaber on them as a "Last resort" or to "Open a can of beans". Do the Police carry their gun for a tool? Didn't think so. The Lightsaber is there for usage of dismembering others and/or killing others for a last resort.

Saying that the Jedi don't use Force lightning may be a wee bit out of proportion just because they didn't use it the movies.

[B]Sorgo, no Jedi used Force Lightning in the movies. Only the Sith did! THIS IS RIDICULOUS! HAXXXXXXXXX!

I didn't see a Jedi use Force Pull in the movies. Does this mean they don't use it generally?

Wait, i have only seen Jedi use mind trick. Maybe ONLY JEDI USE IT! *GASP* 😱

There is not a single drop of proof that Jedi do not use Force Lightning.

C'mon now, Sorgo! Force Lightning is an aggressive Force Power! Jeez...

Right, and force push isn't? Or force pull isn't? Or force choke isn't? Hell, if a Jedi violently pushes an opponent into a wall and cracks their head open, i suppose Force push remains nonlethal?

But the Jedi use Lightsabers!

SORGO! OMFG! THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!

Can anyone really prove that there is a divine difference between a Lightsaber and Force Lightning?

Lightning can kill people. The Lightsaber can kill people.

Sorgo, lightning is a very torturous force. It tortures people before killing them!

Now i could easily torture someone with a lightsaber. Shoving it up their ass, grading it along their arm and cutting them open....

If you use the force to throw a Lightsaber into a crowd, and you use force lightning into a crowd. Which one is gonna kill more people? THE LIGHTSABER!

You throw lightning into a crowd, sure it is gonna shock a few people, maybe kill two or three, and some residue electricity may pass on to someone else in the crowd.

You throw a Lightsaber, your slashing limbs off, killing people rapidly, and seriously injuring people. You're gonna kill a minimum of ten to fifteen people. Plus, the Lightsaber has to come back to you. 😈

Apparently, the Jedi have the Lightsaber as an essential part of their order and code, but apparently having a numerous array of Force powers that are harmful and an extremely hot and fatal Sword on them makes them somewhat restricted to use something that may not even be fatal on occasion.

What the f*ck?

Does anyone ever think that the Jedi may not use it in the movies to restrict themselves from destroying or frying someone? Or maybe they do not wish to use it because of it's apparent "Torturable nature"?

The difference between knowing how to use it and/or being allowed to use it is bigger than Oprah.

Maybe they know how to use it, but aren't allowed. In a situation where a Jedi may need to use restrictions to win a fight (EX: Kenobi shooting Grievous) if they are not allowed to use it, they may do so. Because any Jedi isn't stupid enough to let themselves die over the Jedi Code.

Or they may be allowed to use it, but just never found it necessary in their fighting tactics.

Who knows. [/B]

First thing: Everything is a tool. No matter what it is, it's a tool. The lightsaber isused as a tool. That's that.

Saying that lightning is out of proportion is just stupid. We have seen time and time again that Lightning manifest'semotions, which is against the Jedi Code. Emotion is meant to be controlled, and not let loose.

Yes, we have proof they didn't. We have never seen a true Jedi use force lightning. Why? Becuase as I said before, it requires emotion to use it. Without letting your emotion go, you won't have a force lighting happening.

Force Push is not only agressive. Neither is Pull. Choke is agressive also, and has never been used by a Jedi up to date. If a Jedi violently pushes a person against the wall and cracks their head's open, it becomes a aggressive power. But the difference is from lightning and push is Push is not only a offensive power; it can be usedf for peaceful measures, unlike force lgihtning, which is a offensive power by nature and cannot be sued without a aggressive attack.
Yes the Jedi use Lightsabers. They use them sparringly, and only as a very very last resort.

Force Lightning is aggressive only; a lgihtsabe rcan be used for mundane tasks and defensively. Saying they are the same is like calling Shirey Temple and a porn star the same.

You don't get it. Lightning can ONLY be used to torture. A lightsaber does not have to be used as a torture device. Using that logic, a sheep is as bad as a lightsaber since I can torture people with it.

Hard to see the darkside is..
But rest assure it's bahhhd.

Originally posted by ResubianNushi

You don't get it. Lightning can ONLY be used to torture.

A lightsaber does not have to be used as a torture device. Using that logic, a sheep is as bad as a lightsaber since I can torture people with it.

I think you don't get it.

Lightning can "ONLY" be used to torture, you say?
Can lightning be used to kill as well?
Can it be used to physically maim, maul, and/or disable temporarily, as Dooku did to Anakin in Ep.2, or permanently as it did Sidious, allegedly?

answer those questions. maybe then you'll "get it", ResubianNushi

Originally posted by Spelljammer

Hard to see the darkside is..
But rest assure it's [b]bahhhd. [/B]

Ok, you're officially wierd. lol

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I think you don't get it.

Lightning can "ONLY" be used to torture, you say?
Can lightning be used to kill as well?
Can it be used to physically maim, maul, and/or disable temporarily, as Dooku did to Anakin in Ep.2, or permanently as it did Sidious, allegedly?

answer those questions. maybe then you'll "get it", ResubianNushi

OOh. Typo. I'm meant that lgihtsaber don't only have to be used for torture.

Originally posted by ResubianNushi
First thing: Everything is a tool. No matter what it is, it's a tool. The lightsaber isused as a tool. That's that.

Saying that lightning is out of proportion is just stupid. We have seen time and time again that Lightning manifest'semotions, which is against the Jedi Code. Emotion is meant to be controlled, and not let loose.

Yes, we have proof they didn't. We have never seen a true Jedi use force lightning. Why? Becuase as I said before, it requires emotion to use it. Without letting your emotion go, you won't have a force lighting happening.

Force Push is not only agressive. Neither is Pull. Choke is agressive also, and has never been used by a Jedi up to date. If a Jedi violently pushes a person against the wall and cracks their head's open, it becomes a aggressive power. But the difference is from lightning and push is Push is not only a offensive power; it can be usedf for peaceful measures, unlike force lgihtning, which is a offensive power by nature and cannot be sued without a aggressive attack.
Yes the Jedi use Lightsabers. They use them sparringly, and only as a very very last resort.

Force Lightning is aggressive only; a lgihtsabe rcan be used for mundane tasks and defensively. Saying they are the same is like calling Shirey Temple and a porn star the same.

You don't get it. Lightning can ONLY be used to torture. A lightsaber does not have to be used as a torture device. Using that logic, a sheep is as bad as a lightsaber since I can torture people with it.

Yes, we have proof they didn't. We have never seen a true Jedi use force lightning. Why? Becuase as I said before, it requires emotion to use it. Without letting your emotion go, you won't have a force lighting happening.

Mace Windu's Lightsaber form requires you to pit not only emotions into it, but darkened feelings. I am guessing Mace isn't a "True Jedi" then?

Alot of things the Jedi use require some strain of Emotion. They aren't "emotionless" nor close to having virtually no emotion at all. And like i said before, maybe they know it but are not allowed to use it. I did not slap down and confirm that they could use it.

You don't get it. Lightning can ONLY be used to torture. A lightsaber does not have to be used as a torture device. Using that logic, a sheep is as bad as a lightsaber since I can torture people with it.

Lightning is only used in torture? F*ck man, prove it!

Sidious wasn't trying to torture Mace on Episode III, he was trying to KILL him. Same with ROTJ. Sure, it lasted a bit, but that doesn't mean he was trying to torture him. He wanted the Lightning to "KILL" him.

Like i said before, using a Lightsaber does require some strain of emotion. Christ, you're killing people with it. You would HAVE to feel something. And the fact that a Lightsaber is more dangerous than Lightning still stands. Lightning is a KILLING TOOL. It can be used for torture, but it is also mean't to KILL.

Saying that Lightning is stricly used for torture is just crap served on a golden platter.

This topic is based on a matter of opinion. There's no way everyone here will agree.

Originally posted by Se7in
This topic is based on a matter of opinion. There's no way everyone here will agree.

NEWS FLASH

Captain Obvious strikes again: Fourty dead.

Choking a aggressive power. It is meant to damage, it's meant to hurt people or kill them. Choke has no other use except for hurting

Did you even read what I wrote? For God's sake, you quoted it. Did you READ it??

Here's an important snippet that I believe you must have missed:

But the trouble even there is that choking -- or at least CONTROLLED choking -- could easily be used for good. It could be used to de-escalate a confrontation with minimal violence and absolutely zero killing or even pemanent harm needed.

Additionally, I noted the following:

By contrast, a lightsaber can almost NEVER be used in that manner -- it's one of the most inherently lethal weapons in the Star Wars universe. It's ONLY good for killing -- or, at a bare minimum, dismembering -- and NEVER for ending a confrontation without causing death or permanent harm.

Earlier, I made this observation:

See, the big reasoning was that using the Force directly to harm is a "dark side" thing. But then why do jedi get away with pushing and pulling? That can cause harm. It could even cause serious injury or death, as people break bones and even die all of the time from falls.

Your response deals with exactly none of this. All you're doing is repeating the (erroneous) claim that choking could only be used to hurt. In reality, it could easily be used to:

de-escalate a confrontation with minimal violence and absolutely zero killing or even pemanent harm needed

Something that, ONCE AGAIN, emphatically cannot be said of lightsabers. While, at the same time, a push or a pull:

could even cause serious injury or death, as people break bones and even die all of the time from falls

Originally posted by Se7in
This topic is based on a matter of opinion. There's no way everyone here will agree.

That can't be true because any perceived inconsistencies exist only in my head. And if it's all perfectly consistent and clear, there's no need for conflicting opinions. 😉

Damn, i wish i could be a shithead subliminally, but i am a blunt person.

🙄

Sure, good guys can use force lightning, it's just not recommended for friend making

Originally posted by Julie
Sure, good guys can use force lightning, it's just not recommended for friend making

Women...

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Women...

Fools...

haha