What is the point of devaluing Storm here? Are you trying to say that she cannot control the elements within people's bodies and within objects? If so, you are going to fail miserably. She has controlled the pressure within people's inner ears and manipulated the temperature within objects to cause them to instantly drop 200 degrees. Given this, she can control the air within lungs and more. Once she was established as being able to control any of the forces within people or objects, it made her just that much more dangerous. She can even control air at the atomic level. What's to stop her from pulling the air out of somebody atom by atom?
Originally posted by Badabing
Rutog, I'm not sure what the problem is but I've been getting reports about your posts. Please stop your bashing over a comic book character and stay on topic please. If you don't get along with a poster then use the ignore. Thanks.
This is about the only thread I've been posting on. I ask that you go back the last 2 or 3 pages and see that I am the one being attacked and see the double-standard here. I ask that you warn them.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
She controlled the air in the lungs via a vortex.
No, it doesn't say that. Don't add stuff into a storyline, just because you don't like it. She said controlling the air in his lungs, END OF CONVERSATION. All this other stuff about vortex is pointless
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
No because not all planes that are as large (300 tons of steel) and heavy as the Blackbird (Engine is based on Sh'iar technology) can move as fast as it. And the Blackbird itself was moving at top speed.Again that style of debating is dangerous. Not just a disturbance, a MASSIVE disturbance, massive enough to take notice of it from halfway across the world.
Again, you're giving your opinion like you wrote the story.
I think you might have issue with Storm. 😛
Originally posted by Rutog98
What is the point of devaluing Storm here? Are you trying to say that she cannot control the elements within people's bodies and within objects? If so, you are going to fail miserably. She has controlled the pressure within people's inner ears and manipulated the temperature within objects to cause them to instantly drop 200 degrees. Given this, she can control the air within lungs and more. Once she was established as being able to control any of the forces within people or objects, it made her just that much more dangerous. She can even control air at the atomic level. What's to stop her from pulling the air out of somebody atom by atom?
The same thing that's stopping Surfer from creating black holes in people's eyes. She's not a killer and she wouldn't do that.
Originally posted by HandOfFate
No, it doesn't say that. Don't add stuff into a storyline, just because you don't like it. She said controlling the air in his lungs, [B]END OF CONVERSATION. All this other stuff about vortex is pointlessAgain, your giving your opinion like you wrote the story.
I think you might have issue with Storm. 😛 [/B]
It's like talking to a brick wall.
It doesn't say it, it shows it...but you're right this is pointless. Cyclops destroyed Onslaughts armour it doesn't say he did it with his optic blasts but it portrays it artistically.
So Cyclops destroyed Onslaughts armour right? Psylocke defeated the Shadow King right? Forget the Storm issue but I just want you to understand the point I'm making, that style of debating is dangerous.
Even Rutog98 agrees with me about the plane so I'm not going to even waste my time on that.
Originally posted by Rutog98
She's done all of this in canon already. Exodus Cloak is trying to deprive Ororo of powers that canon has clearly given her.
She has separated the air from someone atom by atom, thus killing them? She has threatened to do it, but in the end she is no killer so she won't do it.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
It's like talking to a brick wall.It doesn't say it, it shows it...but you're right this is pointless. Cyclops destroyed Onslaughts armour it doesn't say he did it with his optic blasts but it portrays it artistically.
So Cyclops destroyed Onslaughts armour right? Psylocke defeated the Shadow King right? Forget the Storm issue but I just want you to understand the point I'm making, that style of debating is dangerous.
Even Rutog98 agrees with me about the plane so I'm not going to even waste my time on that.
The issue states in plain English that the air in the guy's lungs obeys her every whim. It means just what it says. Nothing is stated whatsoever about a vortex neither is a vortex drawn on the page. Quit adding to the story because you hate Storm being as powerful as she is. This is trolling.
I do not agree with you on the plane. Sorry. The lady can sense the plane from across the world and who knows what else she can sense.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
She has separated the air from someone atom by atom, thus killing them? She has threatened to do it, but in the end she is no killer so she won't do it.
No, she has been able to control the air atom by atom. The point I was making is Storm can control the elements within people's body. For instance, she controlled the pressure within BP's inner ear to cause him excruciating pain. She controlled the temperature within a gun to instantly drop its temperature 200 degrees. I mean, what's to stop her from pulling this temperature thing on a person? Sure, it would kill them, but I thought that this was a Storm vs. Cyclops thread to the death. When she attacked BP by manipulating the pressure in his body, she did so to hurt him, not kill him. She could use that same attack to kill Scott. Exodus Cloak is trying to say that Storm cannot control the air in somebody's lungs eventhough canon states that the air in a person's lungs bends to her every whim. He's making up stuff about vortex use that the issue does not state anywhere being the case in order to rob Storm of this. The point I am making is Storm can control the elements in people's body. She is not limited to controlling the environment around people and objects, she can control the environment within them as well. I have brought up two other examples proving this.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Geez 😕You are really starting to confuse me. Look at the previous page we said the same thing regarding the plane issue.
Did you not read the post where I said that Storm can sense people moving through the environment?
Heck, I have seen Storm spread her perceptions across an entire continent. Personally, I think she could feel people walking in North America if she were in Africa if she opened her senses up enough. I thought that you were trying to rob from Storm the fact she felt the blackbird moving through the air while half a world away eventhough the issue specifically showed her doing that and taking it out of the sky with a lightning bolt. You're trying to rob her of the ability to manipulate the air in people's lungs with this silly vortex arguement and I felt that you were trying to take the blackbird feat away from you as well. I said the massive thing just to try and bring a quick closure to what I see as a silly gesture on your part. I also avoided responding (until now) to your comment about her feeling people in China because I honestly felt that you were trying to degenerate the conversation. Give the woman her due and go on.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Did you not read the post where I said that Storm can sense people moving through the environment?
Yes this one right?
Originally posted by Rutog98 You really need to stop this, Exodus Cloak. Storm can detect movement in her environment. She has been able to sense people walking in her environment.
Look back did I disagree with this? No.
I thought that you were trying to rob from Storm the fact she felt the blackbird moving through the air while half a world away eventhough the issue specifically showed her doing that and taking it out of the sky with a lightning bolt.[/B]
Really you did? I don't understand how you managed to come up with that from the previous page? 😕 In all honesty I have no idea how you managed to do that unless English isn't your first language in which case I'll apologize.
Originally posted by Rutog98
I said the massive thing just to try and bring a quick closure to what I see as a silly gesture on your part.
Now you've changed your tune so now we have to disagree.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Yes this one right?Look back did I disagree with this? No.
Really you did? I don't understand how you managed to come up with that from the previous page? 😕
Now you've changed your tune so now we disagree.
Ho, hummm...
Okay, around January/February/March of this year, an issue of Exiles came out where Storm was in one part of African and was able to sense Rogue flying through the air while she was in another part of Africa. I know that you would try and argue that its an alternate reality, but Storm has those same kinds of sensing abilities in this reality as well. The lady is enormously powerful (she's one of the most powerful heroes in the MU) and you just need to accept that.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Ho, hummm...Okay, around February/March, an issue of Exiles came out where Storm was in one part of African and was able to sense Rogue flying through the air while she was in another part of Africa. I know that you would try and argue that its an alternate reality, but Storm has those same kinds of sensing abilities in this reality as well. The lady is enormously powerful (she's one of the most powerful heroes in the MU) and you just need to accept that.
Firstly, I don't see how that's relevant or contradicts anything we both said on the previous page.
I think you answered your own statement with the alternate reality. But to be honest I wouldn't doubt she could do that since it was on the same continent as opposed to a person walking on the other side of the world and well Rogue would have been flying pretty fast, like Fighter jet fast so it would be quite a disturbance. Plus IRRC that was a strange Earth that didn't seem like they had airports so I doubt she'd have confused Rogue with a Boeing. IRRC She also took two fighter planes in BP without looking at them and they were a significant distance from her. She would have noticed them because they created a massive disturbance. Again I don't see the point you're trying to make by telling us this. How is that relevant to whether or not she could sense a person walking in China?
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Firstly, I don't see how that's relevant or contradicts anything we both said on the previous page.I think you answered your own statement with the alternate reality. But to be honest I wouldn't doubt she could do that since it was on the same continent as opposed to a person walking on the other side of the world and well Rogue would have been flying pretty fast, like Fighter jet fast so it would be quite a disturbance. Plus IRRC that was a strange Earth that didn't seem like they had airports so I doubt she'd have confused Rogue with a Boeing. IRRC She took two fighter planes in BP without looking at them and they were a significant distance from her. She would have noticed them because again they created a massive disturbance.
Wrong. She was able to sense Rogue moving through the air. She told the Rogue's teamates, who were looking for her, that is may have been Rogue since she did not recognize the energy signature. Speed was not brought up. Anywhoo, Storm can sense people moving through the environment. The point you are arguing is range. Nowhere in canon does it state that the person or object has to be moving at a certain rate in order for Storm to sense them nor does it say they have to be a certain size. These are all limitations you are making up and have nothing to do with canon.
Storm can sense people and objects moving through her environment and has been able to do so even being half a world away. That's what canon has established. It did not limit her to size or speed of the object. This is what I am going by. You are always trying to be foolish when it comes to this character and I was trying to avoid having a pointless discussion like this. However, this is how I feel and this is how I am going to stay. Nothing have I said in the past contradicts this as if it would matter. This is what canon has established and it gave no limitations based on size or speed. That's you making stuff up again. End of story.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
You already know my stance on this. I agree with some of it, the stuff I don't agree on is:*You say she deflected TK with an elemental shield which was not mentioned or referenced in the story. I'd say she created a sandstorm and Candra's TK attacks missed because she was blinded.
*As for the lung thing she didn't just snatch air out of their lungs. She created a vortex over them which in turn snatched the air out of the lungs IRRC. There's a difference.
Actually the ring around the planet acted like their Sun so yeah there was solar energy in that place and the ring didn't die out yet it just weakened.
Not saying it wasn't but she bombarded him with lightning and he was still standing and Scott told her to call down as much power as she can stand.
And if you take a look at the art Scott is being bombarded from many sides with lightning not just from Storm. From the writing it would seem the only reason she channeled some of it towards herself was to make sure none of the power was wasted by using Colossus as a ground.
And to be honest I'm not choosing a side here, was just curious about the metabolism thing. I mean when you think about all the retcons that went into this to save face for both characters over the years it's no wonder why this topic is quite controversial amongst the writers.
1) http://www.hudlinentertainment.com/smf/index.php?topic=1524.0
http://img345.imageshack.us/i/stormvscandra28tf.jpg/
We can clearly see Candra's TK blasts bouncing off the side of Storm's elemental shield. She's not "missing because of dust." The blasts are not travelling in a straight line and missing, they are being deflected.
We already know that she can use her lightning as a shield to block energy blasts since in issue 4 of Worlds Apart, she created a wall of lightning in front of her that deflected Scott's optic blasts.
2) We've been discussing the lung thing. There was no circular wind/vortex and the issue states in plain english that the air in their lungs bend to her will.
3) The ring around the planet played the role of their sun, but it was not a sun.
4) He's not being hit from all sides by lightning. The some of the lightning energy is simply entering him and exiting.
5) She channeled it to herself first. Her body can filter lightning to make it safe for people to absorb. We have seen this with both Polaris and Magneto. End of story.
6) Well, we have never seen Cyclops on Earth being able to absorb lightning when you have solar energy there for him. There is no proof that he can absorb both at the same time.
That said, I have already established that Storm can deflect Scott's optic blasts while he has no defense against her lightning, being flash frozen, her wind assaults, her manipulating the environment within his body, etc.
Storm wins this easily.
End of story.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Wrong. She was able to sense Rogue moving through the air. She told the Rogue's teamates, who were looking for her, that is may have been Rogue since she did not recognize the energy signature. Speed was not brought up. Anywhoo, Storm can sense people moving through the environment. The point you are arguing is range. Nowhere in canon does it state that the person or object has to be moving at a certain rate in order for Storm to sense them nor does it say they have to be a certain size. These are all limitations you are making up and have nothing to do with canon.Storm can sense people and objects moving through her environment and has been able to do so even being half a world away. That's what canon has established. It did not limit her to size or speed of the object. This is what I am going by. You are always trying to be foolish when it comes to this character and I was trying to avoid having a pointless discussion like this. However, this is how I feel and this is how I am going to stay. Nothing have I said in the past contradicts this as if it would matter. This is what canon has established and it gave no limitations based on size or speed. That's you making stuff up again. End of story.
No actually I'm not arguing that it has to be fast, I'm arguing that the disturbance in the environment that it causes has to be large enough for her to be able to notice it from halfway across the world.
Rogue's 616 counterpart flew faster then a flighter plane...just like you did I correlated, I'd say her top speed would be around the same as that which would = massive disturbance.
Someone walking in China is hardly a large enough disturbance for her to be able to sense. Heck a wave crashing against the shore would create a larger disturbance then a person walking.
Originally posted by Rutog98
1) http://www.hudlinentertainment.com/smf/index.php?topic=1524.0
http://img345.imageshack.us/i/stormvscandra28tf.jpg/We can clearly see Candra's TK blasts bouncing off the side of Storm's elemental shield. She's not "missing because of dust." The blasts are not travelling in a straight line and missing, they are being deflected.
We already know that she can use her lightning as a shield to block energy blasts since in issue 4 of Worlds Apart, she created a wall of lightning in front of her that deflected Scott's optic blasts.
2) We've been discussing the lung thing. There was no circular wind/vortex and the issue states in plain english that the air in their lungs bend to her will.
3) The ring around the planet played the role of their sun, but it was not a sun.
4) He's not being hit from all sides by lightning. The some of the lightning energy is simply entering him and exiting.
5) She channeled it to herself first. Her body can filter lightning to make it safe for people to absorb. We have seen this with both Polaris and Magneto. End of story.
6) Well, we have never seen Cyclops on Earth being able to absorb lightning when you have solar energy there for him. There is no proof that he can absorb both at the same time.
That said, I have already established that Storm can deflect Scott's optic blasts while he has no defense against her lightning, being flash frozen, her wind assaults, her manipulating the environment within his body, etc.
Storm wins this easily.
End of story.
Not going to bother but I would like to point out that your so called "elemental shield" which you believe is that yellow circle is being penetrated in the first and third panels (Storms lightning is in front of the pink TK) of that scan. 😂
And desert sand is also yellow btw. 😛
