Darkseid vs Odin

Originally posted by UniOmni
The problem with your posts, is that you don't give all the info.

DC Odin created a pocket universe.

Which is vastly smaller than a true full sized universe.

Franklin Richards created pocket universes when he was a child, around 8 years old.
He won't beat Odin.

But he DID have the power of a Celestial, and ressurected Galactus from the dead.

And Darkseid put fear into DC's Odin.
But Thanos has said that he feared meeting and fighting the Hulk.
But he pawned him when they met.

Hate to bring this up, but it was Savage Hulk he feared and Professor Hulk he fought.

Superman says that Jonn is the most powerful being on the planet, and is more powerful than the big seven combined.
But he's pawned Jonn before?

Not generally, no. And of course in that same arc, it was made a point that J'onn (Or Fernus, at the time) absolutely owned Superman.

You trying to build an argument on lipservice means you have no real argument.

I agree to an extent. I think such sources have value and add to the strength of a case, but only when they are backed up with actual events.

And Fate beat an imp and called it's magic thirdrate.
Do you think Fate would beat Odin??

Now this is interesting. When did this happen?

It sounds to me, like you're simply downgrading Marvel's Odin, without any knowledge of him.

Agreed. I'm surprised to see its an argument that Odin wouldn't be able to defeat Darkseid.

What happens if Odin uses Gungir against Darkseid eyeknobs?

It always surprises me when people use Darkseid as it he was always suposse to be in the level of the "Great Darkness Saga".

That, and saying he was never affected by the Crisis like everyone else. Despite the fact hes cleary showed as less powerful than he was, against less powerful versions of heroes he fougth, like Superman.

Originally posted by Desaad
Well, and to be fair about this, Darkseid was cautious in his plan to attack Asgard because the Asgardians had such a close connection with the Old Gods. He wasn't sure what that meant in regards to what Darkseid could do to them. Thats why he was cautious. Its the reason thats given in the very issues you are citing.

i don't know that it said that exactly. was there a quote you are referencing? he supposedly gathered power for thousands of years as he was taking the measure of the asgardians. that's . . . pretty damn cautious.

in any event, it was being said (repeatedly) that darkseid wipes out odin with little trouble with the OE -- even in one instance WITHOUT the OE. i find that assumption suspect to say the very least and darkseid's 'over-caution' and his need to increase his power before approaching asgard (regardless of the reason) seem testament to that fact.

in orion 15, we see DS using the OE to wipe out something/someone, but wiping out a nameless god and wiping out a skyfather are 2 entirely seperate things. there still remains (to my knowledge) no single instance of the OE taking down (killing, not simply harming) a being of odin's level.

Leon, you need to post more often. You, Spetznaz, and Digi. Debates would go so much quicker.

Originally posted by leonidas
i don't know that it said that exactly. was there a quote you are referencing? he supposedly gathered power for thousands of years as he was taking the measure of the asgardians. that's . . . pretty damn cautious.

I believe you yourself posted it. Odin says that it is their connection to the Old Gods - seen even in their names - that made Darkseid cautious.

in any event, it was being said (repeatedly) that darkseid wipes out odin with little trouble with the OE -- even in one instance WITHOUT the OE. i find that assumption suspect to say the very least and darkseid's 'over-caution' and his need to increase his power before approaching asgard (regardless of the reason) seem testament to that fact.

I agree that Darkseid would not beat Odin. Would the Omega Effect get him? I doubt it would matter, because we know it could be deflected. Its a possibility, sure, but as you say we haven't seen it wipe out anyone of that power before.

in orion 15, we see DS using the OE to wipe out something/someone, but wiping out a nameless god and wiping out a skyfather are 2 entirely seperate things. there still remains (to my knowledge) no single instance of the OE taking down (killing, not simply harming) a being of odin's level.

I was addressing the quote that said there was no evidence for Darkseid doing the killing himself.

As of now, the ONLY evidence we've got is that Darkseid was single handidly killing the gods.

Which would imply that he did kill a number of skyfathers -- but that doesn't mean they were all of the same power level, obviously.

That said, saying that he got others to kill the gods themselves would be far more speculative than saying that he killed them his own, thanks to that Orion panel.

Originally posted by Desaad
I believe you yourself posted it. Odin says that it is their connection to the Old Gods - seen even in their names - that made Darkseid cautious.

fair enuff. i also showed a scan that said darkseid was afraid to attack asgard. but as i said, the reason really doesn't matter. for the purpose of this thread, the DS supporters should be able to see that DS was anything but confident that his own powers would be enough to defeat asgard and odin. he had to plan for a LONG time AND augment his powers and even planned to time his attack during odin's absence from asgard. i think we agree that this fight is by NO MEANS a sure thing for DS. 😉

I agree that Darkseid would not beat Odin. Would the Omega Effect get him? I doubt it would matter, because we know it could be deflected. Its a possibility, sure, but as you say we haven't seen it wipe out anyone of that power before.

yeah, and that's the crux of it for me. i keep hearing the OE would wipe out odin, but if he's never been shown wiping out anyone at odin's level, so, to say it can (and i leave the possibility open, though the more i think of it the less likely it seems -- the OE has no really 'special' origin beyond the infinity pit (a left over from the time of the old gods??) but odin and the asgardians have a link to the old gods as well, so there is no reason to assume at all that the OE>odin's power) is purest speculation.

I was addressing the quote that said there was no evidence for Darkseid doing the killing himself.

i never meant to imply he didn't have a hand at all. my mistake if i gave that impression. 🙂 the point was made in reference to his not having been shown battling gods at or near odin's level.

As of now, the ONLY evidence we've got is that Darkseid was single handidly killing the gods.

but we know he brought along his forces, so . . .

Which would imply that he did kill a number of skyfathers -- but that doesn't mean they were all of the same power level, obviously.

maybe, but each time he did so he would have gained/absorbed power making it that much easier in theory to beat the next one. perhaps he started with the weakest gods? here's a question: what happened to the power he absorbed?

That said, saying that he got others to kill the gods themselves would be far more speculative than saying that he killed them his own, thanks to that Orion panel.

far more speculative? i'd disagree there, my friend. we see hordes of parademons and troopers attacking paradise island on the next page. only stands to reason he'd have had his troops helping wipe out at least the lower level gods of whatever pantheon he attacked. pointless to debate it though since it was never shown and we really don't know exactly HOW he wiped out all those pantheons.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Leon, you need to post more often. You, Spetznaz, and Digi. Debates would go so much quicker.

😂

thanks howard. as for whether or not i should post more -- that depends entirely upon who you ask! 😄

Well, you seem to analyze everything, not just one side. That makes things a lot nicer. People tend to get a little rabid on here.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Well, you seem to analyze everything, not just one side. That makes things a lot nicer. People tend to get a little rabid on here.

muchos gracias. 🙂

SO what happened to all the power that DS absorbed? How powerful is he? IF he's even more powerful than His Great Darkness saga self? IF he's able to severly injure someone like the AM, then how does odin stand up to DS attacks? I'm sure DS can stand up to Odin's power if people actually think Thanos can.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
SO what happened to all the power that DS absorbed? How powerful is he? IF he's even more powerful than His Great Darkness saga self? IF he's able to severly injure someone like the AM, then how does odin stand up to DS attacks? I'm sure DS can stand up to Odin's power if people actually think Thanos can.

You say it like Thanos is so far below Darkseid. Quit implying things like that - especially when the general consensus is that they are near-equals. Yes, Darkseid can withstand Odin just like Thanos could. But yes, Odin would, ultimately, beat Darkseid, just like he would Thanos.

From what I saw from the scans, it was just one page, but it said that Darkseid stalemated DC Odin, and that Odin is more powerful than Marvels?

Where did it say Darkseid stalemated DC Odin in a test of pure power?

From Draco69s Respect Thread:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid104/pb9eccf3a8ed9ea2518ce7c30425cbbf5/f98dd7e1.jpg

I am only going on based on what he said and hte scan. Hard to read though.

Originally posted by supervenom
From what I saw from the scans, it was just one page, but it said that Darkseid stalemated DC Odin, and that Odin is more powerful than Marvels?

No. Marvel's Odin is simply more powerful than DC's variant on the legend. There's an entire Marvel history of comics that consistantly put Odin on the top-tier skyfather level.

Originally posted by Soljer
You say it like Thanos is so far below Darkseid. Quit implying things like that - especially when the general consensus is that they are near-equals. Yes, Darkseid can withstand Odin just like Thanos could. But yes, Odin would, ultimately, beat Darkseid, just like he would Thanos.

Thanos is no where near DS when it comes to pure power out put. Thanos has never shown the lvl of power DS has.

Originally posted by Evangel94
No. Marvel's Odin is a more powerful. There's an entire Marvel history to back it up.

ORL? then why would DS be careful to **** with ODin when DC"s Odin is connected to the old gods?

Originally posted by supervenom
From Draco69s Respect Thread:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid104/pb9eccf3a8ed9ea2518ce7c30425cbbf5/f98dd7e1.jpg

I am only going on based on what he said and hte scan. Hard to read though.

Thats Highfather, not Odin.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ORL? then why would DS be careful to **** with ODin when DC"s Odin is connected to the old gods?

I'm not going to argue with you, because you've demonstrated time and time again in every single one of your posts that you prefer DC whatever the match-up may be. You've even stated outright that you refuse to change your opinion and you don't care. With that in mind I'm going to just ignore whatever you have to say. So save us both the trouble and don't do the obvious response of quoting this post, and then trying to come up with some remark to satisfy yourself because honestly, I don't care what you have to say anymore.

But more than likely I'll see a badly written paragraph laced with DC pride and marvel hate written by you within the next minute or so. Why don't you take your time and actually let this absorb into your brain.

Originally posted by Evangel94
I'm not going to argue with you, because you've demonstrated time and time again in every single one of your posts that you prefer DC whatever the match-up may be. You've even stated outright that you refuse to change your opinion and you don't care. With that in mind I'm going to just ignore whatever you have to say. So save us both the trouble and don't do the obvious response of quoting this post, and then trying to come up with some remark to satisfy yourself because honestly, I don't care what you have to say anymore.

But more than likely I'll see a badly written paragraph laced with DC pride and marvel hate written by you within the next minute or so. Why don't you take your time and actually let this absorb into your brain.

Interesting that you claim to take this moral high raod while simultaneously trying to veil an insult. You have done this more than once. You are no more than anyone else on here who thinks that your right all the time and if anyone disagrees with you, that they are not worthy. I simply made a statement that there is nothing to suggest that DC's odin is weaker than marvel's especially since DS asborbed so much power, and was still cautious to battle Asgard. Your assessment of me is niether your own, or really founded. You simply seek to follow the popular road and slew out insults that others have also said. Find your own brain and come at me better. I didn't insult you at all. All I did was make a statement. Trying to stay popular isn't all that cute if you have to result to pretending to be the better person all the while just being a B I T C H.

And more thing miss EVangelical, Before you have the nerve to tell me about My "Marvel Hate" Take a look at all the post here. I see so many threads that make Marvel toons out to be Gods. And let's not get on the Whole Marvel is cooler, Marvel is better attitude that exist on here. Or did you forget you just made the statement that Marvel's Odin is more powerful with not a shred of proof.