Originally posted by starking
Thats bad logic, Batman hurting Spectre is just crap writing, something different entirely. You can say Darkseid sucker punched his older self(which I think is just an excuse), but the fact that he was powerful enough to defeat him with just one blast, says alot.
Originally posted by quanchi112Say what you want asstard, but it was specifically stated in that story, that Darkseid was much weaker then he was in the past. He needed their powers TO RESTORE HIMSELF, NOT JUST TP INCREASE HIS POWERLEVEL. Now I have nothing more to say to you.
so absorbing their energies doenst make u powerfrul. what doe s it do. u cant have it both ways. he was more poweful becux of absorbing mordrus and time trappers. they are two badasses, and if u think abosirbing their enegies makes u the exact same ur an idiot. he got more powerful, he absorbed so it wasnt under his own power.
Originally posted by starkinggood ill always respond to what u say i wont run and hide. i have never heard of absorbing others poeples powers/ energies whatevr and not getting more powerful. he got more powerful in that story cuz of the two beings he absorbed. that explains why he doenst mind control 3 billion people all the time. why wouldnt he. its simple becuz he cant unless he amps himself up. 😎
Say what you want asstard, but it was specifically stated in that story, that Darkseid was much weaker then he was in the past. He needed their powers TO RESTORE HIMSELF, NOT JUST TP INCREASE HIS POWERLEVEL. Now I have nothing more to say to you.
Originally posted by quanchi112
good ill always respond to what u say i wont run and hide. i have never heard of absorbing others poeples powers/ energies whatevr and not getting more powerful. he got more powerful in that story cuz of the two beings he absorbed. that explains why he doenst mind control 3 billion people all the time. why wouldnt he. its simple becuz he cant unless he amps himself up. 😎
...................You're a tard. Darkseid was much weaker than normal, and even after taking their powers, he still wasn't anywhere near full strength.
Originally posted by quanchi112😆 😆 😆 I don't have to talk to you retard, your to ignorant to take my word, so their's no point to argue with you.
good ill always respond to what u say i wont run and hide. i have never heard of absorbing others poeples powers/ energies whatevr and not getting more powerful. he got more powerful in that story cuz of the two beings he absorbed. that explains why he doenst mind control 3 billion people all the time. why wouldnt he. its simple becuz he cant unless he amps himself up. 😎
he absorbed their powers to get more powerful, and both beings are extremly powerful. i mean mordru has no beginning or no end. hes a badass in terms of raw power. then u throw in the time trapper. so are u saying that mordru and time trapper combined dont equal darkseid power at full strength. the answer is no. keep ur nerd talk about straw men to urself dorko.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
They were too busy fighting off GDS Darkseid's fighters to interfere in the match.
But after looking at them, I have to ask just how you consider that a "win" over his younger version. Think about it, DS cheapshotted his older version right off and then the two of them slugged it out for a couple of seconds. DS then used Orion's weapon to take down the older version because Orion is destined to kill him. That's pretty much a win through plot device and doesn't show that DS is that much more powerful than his older self overall.
The only thing the older DS said was that his younger self was superior physically, and that was followed by his stating that he(older DS) was superior mentally than his younger self.
And NONE of that is in any way, shape, or form validates using feats from the GDS for the "current" DS. If he hasn't done it, then he hasn't done it(meaning that he doesn't have the feat to his credit).
Originally posted by darthgooberheres the thing when dealing with tards meaning trickster and his sidekick starking. they only count what they want, only see things how they want. very hard to argue with these turds. anyways i dont see it as a feat but they counter with darkseid could do it. 🙁 its a circular argument if ive ever heard one. him mindcontrolling anyone has nothing i repaet nothing to do with him fighting odin. are u listening darkseid brigade. he IA NEVER GOING TO MIND CONTROL ODIN. AND WHEN HE WOULD FIGHT HIM HE WOULD GET OWNED. QUIT BRINGING UP FEATS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM IN A ONE ON ONE FIGHT. ITS PATHETIC. LET IT GO. THE FEAT IS QUESTIONABLE ANYWAYS.
Oh yeah...I somehow spaced after the initial cheapshot from DS, and didn't look at the three scans that followed. My bad.But after looking at them, I have to ask just how you consider that a "win" over his younger version. Think about it, DS cheapshotted his older version right off and then the two of them slugged it out for a couple of seconds. DS then used Orion's weapon to take down the older version because Orion is destined to kill him. That's pretty much a win through plot device and doesn't show that DS is that much more powerful than his older self overall.
The only thing the older DS said was that his younger self was superior physically, and that was followed by his stating that he(older DS) was superior mentally than his younger self.
And NONE of that is in any way, shape, or form validates using feats from the GDS for the "current" DS. If he hasn't done it, then he hasn't done it(meaning that he doesn't have the feat to his credit).
Originally posted by quanchi112
heres the thing when dealing with tards meaning trickster and his sidekick starking. they only count what they want, only see things how they want. very hard to argue with these turds. anyways i dont see it as a feat but they counter with darkseid could do it. 🙁 its a circular argument if ive ever heard one. him mindcontrolling anyone has nothing i repaet nothing to do with him fighting odin. are u listening darkseid brigade. he IA NEVER GOING TO MIND CONTROL ODIN. AND WHEN HE WOULD FIGHT HIM HE WOULD GET OWNED. QUIT BRINGING UP FEATS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM IN A ONE ON ONE FIGHT. ITS PATHETIC. LET IT GO. THE FEAT IS QUESTIONABLE ANYWAYS.
im just so sick of people bringing up this feat. its not relevant to a one on one fight and yet i see it posted by these same people all the time. its like in their heads they just want to name darkseid feats and just drool at them. but i do agree odin is more powerful. not like a galatcus margin over thanos or darkseid. its closer than that. but odin is more powerful nonetheless and wins majority.
Originally posted by quanchi112You are one of the most weak minded posters we have ever had, so quit calling me a tard. The Gds feats are still his, and you can say all want but you can't debunk them. His future self was supposed to be weaker then current timeline version. The 4th world works differently then the rest of the Dc universe. They were uneffected by coie and Zero hour. The feats are still his and theirs no way to prove it's not. Darkseid doesn't have to do the feats in the current timeline, for the Losh is supposed to be apart of normal continuity. So pretty much the feats performed are valid and therefor still his.
heres the thing when dealing with tards meaning trickster and his sidekick starking. they only count what they want, only see things how they want. very hard to argue with these turds. anyways i dont see it as a feat but they counter with darkseid could do it. 🙁 its a circular argument if ive ever heard one. him mindcontrolling anyone has nothing i repaet nothing to do with him fighting odin. are u listening darkseid brigade. he IA NEVER GOING TO MIND CONTROL ODIN. AND WHEN HE WOULD FIGHT HIM HE WOULD GET OWNED. QUIT BRINGING UP FEATS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM IN A ONE ON ONE FIGHT. ITS PATHETIC. LET IT GO. THE FEAT IS QUESTIONABLE ANYWAYS.
Originally posted by starking
You are one of the most weak minded posters we have ever had, so quit calling me a tard. The Gds feats are still his, and you can say all want but you can't debunk them. His future self was supposed to be weaker then current timeline version. The 4th world works differently then the rest of the Dc universe. They were uneffected by coie and Zero hour. The feats are still his and theirs no way to prove it's not. Darkseid doesn't have to do the feats in the current timeline, for the Losh is supposed to be apart of normal continuity. So pretty much the feats performed are valid and therefor still his.
So we're going to credit Adam Warlock with the feats of the classic Magus now right?
This how I'm going to explain it. The theory is very complex, but I'll make it as clear as possible. Legion was effected by Zero hour, Darkseid was not. Zero hour wasn't so much a retcon but a time change. Darkseid and other New God characters, stand outside of the influence, of the retcons such as Crisis on infinite earths, and Zero hour. The Darkseid before th events of Great Darkness saga, was supposed to be even more powerful(or just as powerful)then the one in Gds.
For example, lets say Marty Mcfly beats up a cripple kid, but some time altering event occurs, and such an event never takes place. Mcfly may have never beat the stuffing out the cripple kid, but the time change has no effect on the his physical power.
If Zero hour didn't effect the New Gods, then logically they should still have the power to perform such feats. Like I said, time changes do not effect ones power.
If unless one can give valid evidence to why ones power, would be effected by a time altering event, then theirs no way to debunk Darkseid's Gds feats.
The great darkness saga is still apart of Darkseid feats,even though he has not been written like he was in pass, still the GDS feats still stand. DS will give Odin a battle no doubt about that, I still fell that Odin feats are still up there and better than Darkseid, and Odin has never been depicted like DS has over the years, which to to me is ridiclous. Darkseid should defecate on superman everytime they see each other, that's like Thor beating Odin. Anyway, I give Odin the Majority 6/10.
Originally posted by starking
If unless one can give valid evidence to why ones power, would be effected by a time altering event, then theirs no way to debunk Darkseid's Gds feats.
Now unless YOU can come up with some valid evidence to prove the the current version of DS is capable of EVERYTHING that his FUTURE self did in the GDS(as opposed to just being physically stronger) there's no way to validate those feats from the GDS.
Originally posted by darthgooberMy point was clear. Time effecting events do not effect ones power. Saying one power is changed by such an event is just speculation, and speculation<logic. Of course Darkseid's older self would be smarter. What are you expecting him to be dumber? It was made clear that current Darkseid's power was greater then before the Gds. My therory is the best way of determining, whats what, and whats not for Darkseid's Gds showings.
How about the fact that Darkseid was more knowledgeable and experienced when he preformed those feats than he is right now? A couple thousand years of experience can make a BIG difference as to what you're able to accomplish.Now unless YOU can come up with some valid evidence to prove the the current version of DS is capable of EVERYTHING that his FUTURE self did in the GDS(as opposed to just being physically stronger) there's no way to validate those feats from the GDS.