Darkseid vs Odin

Started by Juntai41 pages
Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by UniOmni
It's a double edged sword Jun.

On one hand, you've got Superman, the most lauded superhero in comicdom, with the feats ambigous tho they may be to back it up.

But he's still a superhero, the lowest of the low on the power totem most of the time.

And then you've got Darkseid, cosmic god and feared throughout the galaxy, with a weapon that's supposed to be the darkside of the source, blah blah blah.

I don't care how many big ups Superman gets, at the end of the day, to have him beat the shit out of Darkseid only hurts Darkseid.

The character of Darkseid isn't the type to get physically embarassed, and still retain dignity.

It goes against the air of inherent superiority he possesses, to say i'm feared throughout the universe, but that guy in spandex has beaten my ass three times.

Counterproductive to the character stance.

It can't be the best of both worlds to have Superman beat up Darkseid, AND still have Uxas retain dignity.

Either or.

Darkseid isn't as powerful as he once was, or Superman jobbed him the heck out.

Either way, he doesn't compare to Odin who creates galaxies.

So what is it Jun?

I already stated my case, why would come in, talk a bunch of nothing productive, and ask if it's changed my stance?

Btw? New Gods can create Universes. Galaxies are nothing.

Juntai Divine Vengeance
quanchi112 Disney

juntai is ur stance then that darkseid is mightier than odin? is that what u think?

starking African nipple cobra

Originally posted by quanchi112
juntai is ur stance then that darkseid is mightier than odin? is that what u think?
Well unless their's a rational way to debunk that scan, then that stance may not be far off.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by starking
Well unless their's a rational way to debunk that scan, then that stance may not be far off.
well if they do create universes, they must not be significant as to challenge beings in the dc universe. the new gods are a powerful lot but arent above like a superman or blackaadam. i mean besides darksied,high father, and a few others superman should be able to down a lot of them. superman cant create universe but he could kick most of their asses and has even busted darkseids face on occasion, so creating universe hasnt made them any more powerful than other dc characters in terms of a fight.

Mider999 Restricted

no but it means that superman defeating beings who can create universes is PIS

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King
Originally posted by starking
Well unless their's a rational way to debunk that scan, then that stance may not be far off.

Well the universe shown only contain a single being.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Mider999
no but it means that superman defeating beings who can create universes is PIS
ur telling me superman should lose to all the new gods? which ones should he beat and which ones outright crush him in ur opinion?

starking African nipple cobra

Originally posted by quanchi112
well if they do create universes, they must not be significant as to challenge beings in the dc universe. the new gods are a powerful lot but arent above like a superman or blackaadam. i mean besides darksied,high father, and a few others superman should be able to down a lot of them. superman cant create universe but he could kick most of their asses and has even busted darkseids face on occasion, so creating universe hasnt made them any more powerful than other dc characters in terms of a fight.
The only New Gods that have been beaten by a top tier character were Darkseid, Orion, and Kalibak, and in majority of stories, they've have always been more powerful then top tiers.

starking African nipple cobra

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Well the universe shown only contain a single being.
For real? Where does it say that?

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King
Originally posted by starking
For real? Where does it say that?

Well looking at the scan you can see the orb she's holding has a single creature within it and nothing more.

Probably just artistic license though srug

starking African nipple cobra

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Well looking at the scan you can see the orb she's holding has a single creature within it and nothing more.

Probably just artistic license though srug

Oh I see, so it was just speculation 😎.................

ass 😠

quanchi112 Disney

starking, that doesnt prove darkseid could beat odin, in fact it proves superman can beat beings who create universes

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thanosis nothing compared to marvel. You know nothing of darksied. Go read the great darkness saga. Thanos wishes to be darksied. Even when they met in the cross over, darkseid called thanos a pale imitation. which he is. even kirby wrote the eternals after the new gods.
ur favoritism of darkseid over thanos is sickening. so since darkseid called thanos a pale imitation this proves what now? nothing it proves darkseid was first is all. and while thanos has been busy evolving as a charcater darkseid is still up the same lame thing:controlling all free will. thanos has been done trying to extinguish all life and isnt the same hater of life that he was pregauntlet. somone who started out as an imitation to darkseid far exceeds him in accomplishment and in character growth.

UniOmni Outrageously Dickish

Originally posted by Juntai
I already stated my case, why would come in, talk a bunch of nothing productive, and ask if it's changed my stance?

Btw? New Gods can create Universes. Galaxies are nothing.

Lol.

You say we shouldn't see Darkseid being beaten by Superman as a low showing, and i tell you why it can't be anything but a low showing if he's as powerful as he's purported to be.

Circles.

And being physically manhandled three times isn't a low showing for Darkseid?

I suppose if Sundipped Superman beat Imperiex with a headlock from hell, that wouldn't be a low showing, since Superman just proved to be that powerful?

Can't have the cake and eat it too.

Either he's not as powerful as forumlore says, or he jobbed.

Period.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by UniOmni
Lol.

You say we shouldn't see Darkseid being beaten by Superman as a low showing, and i tell you why it can't be anything but a low showing if he's as powerful as he's purported to be.

Circles.

And being physically manhandled three times isn't a low showing for Darkseid?

I suppose if Sundipped Superman beat Imperiex with a headlock from hell, that wouldn't be a low showing, since Superman just proved to be that powerful?

Can't have the cake and eat it too.

Either he's not as powerful as forumlore says, or he jobbed.

Period.

well said. i agree with u 100 percent. i give darkseid his due credit as being more powerful than superman but thats its not out of the realm of possibilty of superman scoring a victory here or there. its not crap, becuz superman beats everyone under the sun in dc, so its accepted. superman beating darkseid is accepted and should be. once they get out of the denial stage they will be much happier and wont go to bed liars in their own minds. they will feel better

Mider999 Restricted

if any new god can create a universe then how in all logic is superman suppose to match that power logically.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by UniOmni
Lol.

You say we shouldn't see Darkseid being beaten by Superman as a low showing, and i tell you why it can't be anything but a low showing if he's as powerful as he's purported to be.

Circles.

And being physically manhandled three times isn't a low showing for Darkseid?

I suppose if Sundipped Superman beat Imperiex with a headlock from hell, that wouldn't be a low showing, since Superman just proved to be that powerful?

Can't have the cake and eat it too.

Either he's not as powerful as forumlore says, or he jobbed.

Period.

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman can and has beaten Darkseid, but that's not as much a testament to Darkseid being weak, as it Superman being rediculously powerful once he stops holding back. Other Superman 'league' characters can't even get past henchmen of Darkseids', let alone the main man. Shit, in that Superman/Batman issue, Wonder Woman and Barda got beat down by the Furies. Think of the power gap there. And both of those two are supposedly as tough as Supes is.
It's not Darkseid moving down the ladder, it's Superman moving up it. As he always does when he has to. I even gave an example of that very thing happening in one of the confrontations with Darksied in question. Showing how he leagued up past Wonder Woman and Barda by leaps and bounds to be able to take on Darkseid. Both of whom who are normally written in the same general power level.

You can consider it whatever you want, jobbing, pis, but that doesn't make what I said any less true, and what you replied to me any less irrelivent.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by quanchi112
well if they do create universes, they must not be significant as to challenge beings in the dc universe. the new gods are a powerful lot but arent above like a superman or blackaadam. i mean besides darksied,high father, and a few others superman should be able to down a lot of them. superman cant create universe but he could kick most of their asses and has even busted darkseids face on occasion, so creating universe hasnt made them any more powerful than other dc characters in terms of a fight.
Because of the Boomtube regulating power. When someone uses a boom tube to travel to or from the fourth world, it transfers their size and power. New Gods in their natural state can kick around planets like toys in the backyard. When someone boomtubes there, they are in that state as well. When someone boomtubes from there, it regulates their power and converts their size closer to that of a humanoid.

And because Superman is a beast.

TricksterPriest Renegade Timelord

In DC comics, when the chips are down, nobody is stopping Superman. 😎 He does get wins over people that realisitically should clobber him. But that's life. However, losing to Supes is not a low showing. Hell, if he had to, he could probably take down Odin. 😛

It's part jobbing, part PIS, and part 'He's the hero' clause.