First off... I have the issue with juggernaut and onslaught, and let me tell you, THERE IS BLOOD. I'm looking at it right now.
Second, you showed us a scan of JOH flying away from hulk and being caught, that doesnt prove that JOH can't go sideways, it just means that he didn't TRY to go sideways.
Third, Magneto can create a worldwide emp, do you know how much energy an EMP takes? It is 2000 volts to shut down a single car engine when you are CONNECTED to it. Hmmm... seems like he must've used a whole lot of energy to me, a lot more then a nuke. Oh wait, someone already posted all the info regarding how much more power magneto has then a nuke.
Fourth, a steel girder with 40,000 lbs (20 tons) pressure on each side, including the thrust, WILL force its way through hulks skin. IDC how sharp wolverine's claws are, he can't even create 1000 lbs of pressure with a swipe. The pressure on the sides of the girder will keep it from bending, and he will force it through.
It's like slicing across a brick with a metal knife, or driving a nail into a brick with a hammer. That's not even changing the fact that magneto can make the girder as sharp as he wants, because he can rearrange the metal.
The reason why we don't use magneto scans (At least me) is because he is never shown doing things that are completely possible for him to do based on other feats. I'm gonna get some scans tonight to prove his power to you all.
when has he ever created a world wide emp without the use of some sort of magnification device?
where do you get your information on the 20 ton steel girder? because that sounds like a stretched truth.
Hulk's skin is not the equivalent of a brick, his bones are stronger than brick, his skin is stronger than brick. A girder is made of STEEL, not adamantium.
Hulk could EASILY rip a girder to shreds....Mags supporting its structure only requires frustration in order to rip it to ribbons.
The comics were careful not to show Mags doing exceptionally tremendous things, b/c if he did then they knew they'd have trouble explaining how the X-men could ever beat him (which we all know they couldn't have if the comics were at all based on reality).
Originally posted by Havoc470
actually they re-made the comic and logan still could'nt pierce hulks skina nuclear blast at ground zero is differing from this battle, magneto doesnt have the power of nuclear blasts
who's the villain with the adamantium armor, cyber??
Fact stated in armegeddon: a piece of rock just six miles wide struck earth with the force of 10,000 nuclear war heads. Asteriod M was bigger than six miles in diameter. All Mags has to do, is lift a one mile rock up, and propel it downward at hulk at several thousand miles per hour. This would created the force of what? a few thousand nukes. And it has just been stated that hulk can't survive one blast at ground zero, so he would not have to be anywhere close to ground zero for this blast to incinerate him, bones and all. But I'm sure a hulk fan is going to come back with something like, "hulk is so strong, even if his bones and flesh and organs and everything about him did get destroyed, he's just use his super-duper-almighty-I'm the hulk so regardless of what your argument is I can't be hurt-healing factor to regenerate his entire body from the atoms of it that are still floating around after the explosion incenerates him." So there, I saved you all the trouble of making those arguments and I defeated my own point.
Also, what is not clear about the fact that a girder, or any object cannot bend, break, shatter or be crushed if there is enough force surrounding it? Hulk's skin is permeable with enough force, and Magneto can harness any amount of force he needs. (within his distance range again).
The reason I posted the pic of Jack of Hearts is because he is a cosmic guy who can easily outfly magneto, and is far more powerful than magneto, yet Hulk still caught him. Be my guest to post any picture of Magneto successfully fighting someone Hulk's strength and with his jumping ability. I dont think there is anything Mags would be able to do against Hulk based on his previous fights. I can post some pics of Hulk fighting Thor, Silver Surfer, Mephisto, the Stranger, etc...all people with more power than Mags. Mags has basically just stuck to fighting humans and guys like nightcrawler, shadowcat, cyclops...for some reason im not impressed.
Originally posted by turboman1691
Fact stated in armegeddon: a piece of rock just six miles wide struck earth with the force of 10,000 nuclear war heads. Asteriod M was bigger than six miles in diameter. All Mags has to do, is lift a one mile rock up, and propel it downward at hulk at several thousand miles per hour. This would created the force of what? a few thousand nukes. And it has just been stated that hulk can't survive one blast at ground zero, so he would not have to be anywhere close to ground zero for this blast to incinerate him, bones and all. But I'm sure a hulk fan is going to come back with something like, "hulk is so strong, even if his bones and flesh and organs and everything about him did get destroyed, he's just use his super-duper-almighty-I'm the hulk so regardless of what your argument is I can't be hurt-healing factor to regenerate his entire body from the atoms of it that are still floating around after the explosion incenerates him." So there, I saved you all the trouble of making those arguments and I defeated my own point.
Using that tactic, Magneto would probably lose pretty quick. You can't tell me Hulk wouldn't do something when Magneto's slowly towing that big hunk of rock around. And what's to stop Hulk from shattering it?
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Using that tactic, Magneto would probably lose pretty quick. You can't tell me Hulk wouldn't do something when Magneto's slowly towing that big hunk of rock around. And what's to stop Hulk from shattering it?
what's to stop hulk from crushing it? how about um...Magneto. It only took Mags a minute or two to lift Asteroid M into orbit. all he has to do is throw stuff at hulk when he jumps toward him to knock him back down to the ground (granted these would not be coming with enough force to hurt hulk, but that is not what they are being used for). it would only take a couple of times and Mags would be out of Hulk's jumping range.
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Err...hasn't this discussion been done to death? Hulk wins. Hulk always wins. I hate the Hulk. He is a fat kid's superhero. I don't like Magneto that much, either, but I must say Hulk takes this one.
Originally posted by Havoc470
actually they re-made the comic and logan still could'nt pierce hulks skina nuclear blast at ground zero is differing from this battle, magneto doesnt have the power of nuclear blasts
who's the villain with the adamantium armor, cyber??
It was speedfreek, who has adamantium blades:
Originally posted by FeceMan
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111111111111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Err...hasn't this discussion been done to death? Hulk wins. Hulk always wins. I hate the Hulk. He is a fat kid's superhero. I don't like Magneto that much, either, but I must say Hulk takes this one.
Of course hulk always wins, he's the good guy in a comic book. We've had this discussion before. It's like saying well the X-men would win, the X-men always win. They only win because they are the good guys. Magneto only loses because he is the bad guy. In a real fight, not applying comic book rules (good guys always win) Magneto prevails over the X-men and Hulk.
actually, well hulk doesnt just WIN, but i think that hulk's power has been severely underestimated. sure magneto can create more energy than a strong thermonuclear warhead and sure he has thrown things wieghing thousands of tons but, did u also know that potentially, the energy trapped inside the hulk is more than that of a supernova, A SUPERNOVA! u have ne idea how much energy that is, normally, a medium star such as our sun burns with the energy of about more than 3.5 trillion hydrogen bombs goin off every second but, DID U KNOW THAT WHEN A STAR GOES SUPERNOVA, IT PRODUCES BILLIONS OF TIMES MORE ENERGY THAN IT PRODUCES NORMALLY, so potentially, hulk has more power, BUT, i suppose that since the hulk can only use his immense potential for strength and healing, hes can easily be beaten by magneto's sophisticated use of his power, lol, of course the easist would be to lift hulk with some metal and launch him at an ultra high velocity out of the earth's atmosphere or its gravitation, mind u , this has happened to hulk before and he was rendered comatose but wasnt killed, but magneto doesnt have to kill him, he just needs to DEFEAT him which is what he can do, he magneto also has the ability to control all other forms of energy like gravity, electro magnetism{light heat, radiation}, strong nuclear{hard to define} and weak nuclear{also hard to define} and ofcourse electrical energy. so because of superior techniques and not more power, magneto wins, note that he can also fly in the higher part of the atmosphere or in space with the help of his magnetic shield to hold a supply of air and keep a habitable air pressure, of course hulk has JUMPED straight out of the atmosphere before, with his leaping strentgh, i doubt that hell be able to be precise enough to actually come newhere close to where magneto is at that altitude. so in the end magneto wins.
Originally posted by turboman1691
The comics were careful not to show Mags doing exceptionally tremendous things, b/c if he did then they knew they'd have trouble explaining how the X-men could ever beat him (which we all know they couldn't have if the comics were at all based on reality).Fact stated in armegeddon: a piece of rock just six miles wide struck earth with the force of 10,000 nuclear war heads. Asteriod M was bigger than six miles in diameter. All Mags has to do, is lift a one mile rock up, and propel it downward at hulk at several thousand miles per hour. This would created the force of what? a few thousand nukes. And it has just been stated that hulk can't survive one blast at ground zero, so he would not have to be anywhere close to ground zero for this blast to incinerate him, bones and all. But I'm sure a hulk fan is going to come back with something like, "hulk is so strong, even if his bones and flesh and organs and everything about him did get destroyed, he's just use his super-duper-almighty-I'm the hulk so regardless of what your argument is I can't be hurt-healing factor to regenerate his entire body from the atoms of it that are still floating around after the explosion incenerates him." So there, I saved you all the trouble of making those arguments and I defeated my own point.
Also, what is not clear about the fact that a girder, or any object cannot bend, break, shatter or be crushed if there is enough force surrounding it? Hulk's skin is permeable with enough force, and Magneto can harness any amount of force he needs. (within his distance range again).
Where to start where to start.
Lets start with the girder comment. Ok bud, if I stabbed you in the back with a baseball bat....would it go through you or push you? ok...answers that question.
What if Magneto sharpens the girder? Well, then that changes things a bit, but not really. Magneto can't sharpen a girder, pick it up, hurl it at Hulk a great distance to get enough momentum, and accurately hit him without taking a substancial amount of time and efford. Sorry, that's multitasking beyond Magneto's means. Especially when Hulks coming at him. He'd need something there...quick. Perhaps using the girder as a baseball bat to club Hulk around at first....that way he's a little slower. But he can't just blink an eye and send razor sharp metal objects the size of girders at hulk...it requires concentration.
I can't even believe you went off on a huge ass rant like "hulk won't die" how stupid is that? You just claimed that Magneto would "just" unleash a world ending catastrophic event just in order to defeat the Hulk.
And sure...it'll kill Hulk...but it would kill Magneto faster. Or are you going to suggest that Magneto begins his attack from the other side of the planet. The point of this versus matchup is supposed to be a one on one fight from some sort of tangible distance, and simply put...Magneto won't be able to get away from the blast radius in time. Hell, by the time Magneto senses a large enough asteroid and sets it on a path down towards earth...Hulk would have ripped his head off his shoulder by then.
Magneto is strong, and capable of doing such things...but he doesn't just snap his fingers and asteroids raining down. He needs to concentrate, and that means losing concentration on the opponent infront of him.
He can't pull asteroids out of space at all actually, not from earth b/c that is just out of his distance range. He can, however, do what I said he could do in the post and lift a one mile rock into orbit, along with himself, and then propel the rock back toward the planet at a location near the hulk. This rock would be more than enough to kill hulk w/o destroying the planet. About the baseball bat comment, if you stabbed me with it, yes it would push me. If it were going several hundred miles per hour, though, it woudl go through me (cannon balls for example). Mags has the ablility to move things that quickly.
picking up a piece of metal and sharpening it is multitasking? RU insane?
we're talking about a guy who can assemble complex machinery that surpasses that of contemporary science here. a guy who reprogramed about a dozen sentinels all at once in a matter of minutes. but sharpening the edge of a piece of metal is too much for him? you gotta be ****ing kidding me.
my whole thing with the steel girder is this. as ive posted a pic of the hulk getting impaled by a guy with a rock like exoskeleton who isnt even near the hulks strenngth, it was just to illustrte that with enuff force his skin is permeable. so why the **** cant a guy like magneto who can apply untold amounts pressure to any object be capable of doing much worse?
the whole giant rock thing sort of corresponds with one of my previous posts that his arsenal isnt limited to just metal objects. that giant rock thing is completely plausible cuz back in the early days a little bit after he was reverted from his baby stage he found that with his rejuvination came amplification to his power. As a result he became such a threat to the Earth that all the earth's govt. banded together and formed what they called the "magneto protocols" which turned out to be that every govt. had a piece of a giant doomsday device that would be assembled in outer space to shoot a giant lazer Asteroid M.
Anyway, the reason MAgneto became such a threat was becuase whenever he went on TV to rant about humanity and how Mutant kind should be thier masters he capped it off by saying that if his demands werent met he has a cluster of asteroids orbitting the earth, and he would call upon any number of the to destroy a particular city. so the main point is, he wouldnt even have to break off a chunk of the Earth to drop on hulk, since there a literally thousands of meteors and asteroids that orbit the earth all he would have to do is pull on one of them and the hulk is toast.
But let me guess, some fanboy is gonna be like even though meteors are very rich in iron and other metals, and magneto has been shown to easily manipulate large rocks, especially in space where there is no gravity to offer resistance, it still would take a whole lot of concentration right? and he wouldnt have time becuase the big mean old hulk is too fast for him.
magneto is incapable of escaping or defending an enraged Hulk, his speed and reflexes r far slower than Hulk's, and he could only repel him very briefly if at all. I dont care about Mags lifting asteroid M...and where does it state the exact size of it?...by the time Mags lifted anything, Hulk would have crushed him.