i remember in the birth of this thread i mentioned that magneto once vibrated all the mettallic compounds in some super healing super strong guy's body and liquified him(of course everyone said i made it up, even when i told them to consult X-men Legends vol.4)..................i retort to that stance once again. *folds arms and turn his back w/nose in the air*
"The point was, if he could get enough metal into his body at some point where he could not reach, he could use that to move him around."
Agreed but then again, like you said, it's getting it there. Saying it is one thing, doing it is a whole other ball park.
"i retort to that stance once again."
Well to be honest, I believe that you aren't the kind to go making shit up. Secondly, Hulk has no metal in his blood. So Mags has nothing to control.
"nobody answered me about tiny particles of metal, the hulk can't swat away millions of tiny things."
He can. The man plays tennis with Apache Helicopters. Probably uses girders as toothpicks. He can swat away metallic (almost wrote Metallica then haha) objects. Magneto could defend himself against what Hulk is throwing but he is reliant on it being metallic. Hulk will block, brace or destroy anything that gets hurled toward him.
-AC
"I don't remember who it was, but they put up a whole post about it, how his blood probably has a different metal in it."
"whats this crap about hulk not having iron in blood? what do you know?"
To both of these. Hulk has not got iron in his blood. Iron is what makes our blood red, Hulk's blood is green. He has no iron in his blood. Also, it's a pretty big assumption to just say "Oh yeah well Hulk has a different metal in his blood then." That's giving an unproven, untested, unsure advantage to Magneto that he probably doesn't even have. Let's not go putting metals in Hulk's blood just because it would help Magneto.
-AC
AC I couldn't help but notice that you quickly argue that Hulk can jump to space, but in another post you said he has a three mile jump. I know he can jump to space; I just wanted to point out the descrepency.
Let's face it, all Mags has to do is get one piece of metal (doesn't matter how big) inside hulk. he can do this through his mouth, through is pores, through is eyes (strong, but I'd venture to say weaker than his in penetrable skin) or whatever, and he wins the fight. A small piece, one tenth the size of a bb, and it's over. He would use that piece to lift hulk off the ground and hulk is worthless. And maybe he can swat apache helicoptors (they are pretty big and pretty easy to see or swat) But thousands of tiny particles coming in all at once, would be impossible to block, hulk is just not that fast. Mags could simply through something heavy at him when hulk uses his arms to catch it, Mags could drive a bb up his nose and lift him off the ground, and the fight is over because once off the ground away from projectiles Hulk can't do anything to hurt mags (he could clap and make a cyclone, but it wouldn't penetrate Mag's force field). This fight is just to easy a win for Mags, he's just too versitle combined with too powerful.
"AC I couldn't help but notice that you quickly argue that Hulk can jump to space, but in another post you said he has a three mile jump. I know he can jump to space; I just wanted to point out the descrepency."
Three mile long jump. Standing broad jump, given that all the power of his jump is directly up, is alot higher.
"Let's face it, all Mags has to do is get one piece of metal (doesn't matter how big) inside hulk. he can do this through his mouth, through is pores, through is eyes (strong, but I'd venture to say weaker than his in penetrable skin) or whatever, and he wins the fight. A small piece, one tenth the size of a bb, and it's over. He would use that piece to lift hulk off the ground and hulk is worthless. "
He's fighting The Hulk not Hulk Hogan. That's all very well and good in theory but in the actual fight, getting metal inside Hulk is much much harder than you are all making it seem.
"And maybe he can swat apache helicoptors (they are pretty big and pretty easy to see or swat) "
Ever done it? Didn't think so.
"But thousands of tiny particles coming in all at once, would be impossible to block, hulk is just not that fast."
Blocking and dodging are two different things. I never said Hulk would even choose to dodge them. He might try to but even if he was unsuccessful in evading them all, pieces of metal, regardless of how many there are, won't do much to his physical self. He's been caught in bomb blasts and what have you before. Pieces of shrapnel flying everywhere and nothing has happened to him. I don't see how loads and loads of metal pieces are gonna hurt him when a full speed subway train didn't move him an inch or even scratch his body.
"Mags could simply through something heavy at him when hulk uses his arms to catch it, Mags could drive a bb up his nose and lift him off the ground, and the fight is over because once off the ground away from projectiles Hulk can't do anything to hurt mags (he could clap and make a cyclone, but it wouldn't penetrate Mag's force field)"
Again with the "He could simply...". He couldn't simply do anything because this is no simple fight, it isn't. I'm not even making it one sided, I'm considering what could realistically happen FOR and AGAINST each character. Nataku already said "Yeah well Magneto could just get an iron bar into Hulks shoulders." Yeah? How? Tell me how? You are saying "he could do this...". He may have the ability to, to many people. Again, this isn't one of the X-men, it's The Hulk. The Black Panther is an easier foe to overcome than The Hulk and do we all remember what he did to Magneto? Fair enough he caught Magneto at a time when his forcefield was out of alignment but his offensive powers were fine. He couldn't simply wedge metal into The Black Panther so how is he gonna do it to an over 10 foot monsterous mountain of gamma enhanced, super agile and very intelligent, muscle?
As for your last comment "This fight is too easy a win." Ridiculous.
Too powerful? He does not, and feel free to provide proof that convinces me otherwise (to save you the time: there is none), have enough power to overcome Hulk. He CANNOT, I repeat, CANNOT exude enough power over ANYTHING that will be more than Hulk can react or retaliate with. Regardless of what Mag's throws, bends, shapes, hurls, levitates or controls, he cannot exert enough power over those objects or himself to better The Hulk.
-AC
Guys back off, just leave Centauri alone, god when it comes to the Hulk he wont stop argueing hes damn good too, so we can just drop this before it makes like 100 pages...
Anyways, everything can essentially be controlled by Magneto, as everything is made out of atoms which have electrons spinning around the nucleus of the Atom so quickly it creates electromagnetic waves.
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Oxygen atoms are transported through the blood stream by attaching to the metal-ion compounds inside of hemoglobin proteins; this is true of the transport systems of all animals.
So while it is true that because the blood of the Hulk is not red, it does not contain iron, it does not mean that there is no metal-ion compound in his blood. In fact, because the blood of the Hulk is green, it is likely that it contains vanadium.
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The presence of metal-ion compounds in the blood are not necessary for Magneto to launch someone into space.
Magnetic force exists between the electrically charged protons and electrons inside of atoms; this includes the atoms that compose the molecules in ordinary material objects and those in our bodies.
And an ordinary refrigerator magnet can generate enough force to lift a mass against all the force of gravity generated by the entire planet.
Magneto could simply use the magnetic force present inside the atoms of the Hulk to lift him off the ground.
Or if you prefer, he could manipulate the magnetic axis of the Earth with respect to the rotational axis of the Earth, thereby overcoming the effects of gravity and throwing everything on the face of the planet into space.
The possibilities are endless; at the end of the day, Magneto is the "master of magnetism" and the entire planet is nothing but a dipole magnet.
"Or if you prefer, he could manipulate the magnetic axis of the Earth with respect to the rotational axis of the Earth, thereby overcoming the effects of gravity and throwing everything on the face of the planet into space."
Now, true or not, your whole post seemed awfully scientific for this debate. Secondly, the above quote. If Magneto did that, there would be no more comics, no more Earth. He isn't gonna do that so therefore him being able to or not, is irrelevant.
"The possibilities are endless; at the end of the day, Magneto is the "master of magnetism" and the entire planet is nothing but a dipole magnet."
Magneto, while a villain, cares alot about mutants. He isn't gonna go committing universal harakiri to defeat The Hulk, nor do I think he has the power to. Sure the Earth is a magnet but even Magneto doesn't have enough power in his body to power an Earth sized magnet. Come on now.
Last time, why is everything about ending in space? There would be more Marvel characters in space than on Earth if getting them up there was as likely and possibly as you make it seem. Are the writers really gonna say "Well you see Magneto defeated the Hulk by polarising...." yada yada yada? No they're not. In comics reality, Magneto is not going to be sending anyone into space, he's not gonna be blowing up any planets. Lets bring this debate, or what's left, literally back down to Earth coz it's getting a little out there.
We're talking about Magneto. Not a celestial here.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Sure the Earth is a magnet but even Magneto doesn't have enough power in his body to power an Earth sized magnet. Come on now.
Alpha, I respect you very much, but here you go doing what you ***** at everyone else for doing, ASSUMING. What makes you think he doesn't have this much power? Earth encompassing E.M.P.s aren't easy business, and neither is powering an Earth sized magnet, but what evidence do you have to prove he can't ?
"Alpha, I respect you very much, but here you go doing what you ***** at everyone else for doing, ASSUMING. What makes you think he doesn't have this much power?"
Does Magneto look like he has the power to control an Earth sized magnet? Has he ever proved in any substantial and concrete way or gave reason to believe that he could control an Earth sized magnet? If he had such control, what exactly would it achieve? He isn't gonna destroy the Earth. He's too self-centred to do such a thing. I even said above in my other post, so he has the power to control the Earth, so what? He isn't gonna do anything on that magnitude, you only need look at his character to know this. As for Earth moving, Hulk has said "If I ever totally lost control I could knock the Earth off it's very orbit". I could use that, I don't because it's not very likely he's ever gonna let himself get to that point for the sake of everyone else. Just like Magneto, even if he did have that kind of power, which to me he hasn't proven to own, wouldn't do anything as drastic with the planet he lives, exists on and would die without. Even so, I revert back to a single point.
Magneto in all his power and glory, can control many many many things and do many things. However, he does not have enough power to counteract every level of power that Hulk is gonna react with and as the battle would go on, Magneto would tire far faster than Hulk would. So when the time comes it's retreat or die. I've stated why Magneto could not possibly win this fight and nobody has gave me realistic, undeniable or convicing reason as to why he could. No one can say I've sat here and not heard what you all have to say, I've even agreed with you on some points. That is my stance and unless someone can do as stated, it will remain such.
-AC
actually if there was an earth sized magnet it would be nothing for magneto to control.Why? bcuz it would be in space and no atmosphere means no significant gravitational pull. thats why scientists thoerize that if an asteroid should come close it could be diverted by a sufficient blast of energy. for as big as it is the grav. pull is proportionatley minimal. simply bcuz it doesnt have an atmosphere
and the fact that it would save him the travel of having to magnetize it would make it even easier
Originally posted by manjaro
actually if there was an earth sized magnet it would be nothing for magneto to control.Why? bcuz it would be in space and no atmosphere means no significant gravitational pull. thats why scientists thoerize that if an asteroid should come close it could be diverted by a sufficient blast of energy. for as big as it is the grav. pull is proportionatley minimal. simply bcuz it doesnt have an atmosphereand the fact that it would save him the travel of having to magnetize it would make it even easier
Gravity isn't caused by an atmosphere, it's caused by the size of the object. An earth sized magnet will have gravity about the strength of earth's.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Sure the Earth is a magnet but even Magneto doesn't have enough power in his body to power an Earth sized magnet. Come on now.-AC
Of course he does. Completely reversing the earth's magnetic poles is not enough proof for you? Or releasing an electromagnetic pulse that shut down the whole world?
Magneto has accomplished global-scale feats many times. That doesn't necessarily mean he'd destroy the planet to defeat Hulk though.
Some of these arguments are getting a little out of hand.
"Magneto has accomplished global-scale feats many times. That doesn't necessarily mean he'd destroy the planet to defeat Hulk though.
Some of these arguments are getting a little out of hand."
Exactly. I'm not saying Magneto can't do things on global scale. Moving the actual planet is something that I continue to believe is out of his reach though. Yes, these things are getting out of hand. People tend to have quite a lust to see Hulk become the victim of a loss for some petty reason.
-AC
Magneto's power varies from time-line to time-line. In the Age of Apocalypse reality, (the one in which Xavier sacrificed his life to save Eric,) Magneto is a protagonist, leader of the X-Men, and he's insanely powerful. He literally tore Apocalypse to shreds, using only his magnetic powers. In the "normal" time-line though, he could never perform such a feat, his powers are considerably less than his "AOA-self". Hulk's power is also greatly augmented and differentiated depending on the reality or incarnation. Regular Magneto wouldn't stand a chance against the Guilt Hulk. It all depends on the reality.
Originally posted by manjaro
actually if there was an earth sized magnet it would be nothing for magneto to control.Why? bcuz it would be in space and no atmosphere means no significant gravitational pull. thats why scientists thoerize that if an asteroid should come close it could be diverted by a sufficient blast of energy. for as big as it is the grav. pull is proportionatley minimal. simply bcuz it doesnt have an atmosphereand the fact that it would save him the travel of having to magnetize it would make it even easier
Tell me who your HS physics teacher was so I can assasinate him.
No atmosphere means no gravity? That is utterly false. EVERYTHING has gravity. If that were true, the sun wouldn't have gravity; it doesn't have an atmosphere. Niether does Mercury, or the Moon. An Earth-sized magnet of pure Iron would have considerable gravity, much greater than that of Earth's. It would surely collide with Earth because of the immense attraction. Regular timeline Magneto could never manipulate something if such magnitude. AOA Magneto? Maybe...