Originally posted by Xplosive
Apoc's powers were growing to great levels or would say evolving. The first time he was given cosmic entity status was in X-Factor 68 (by Lee/Claremeont/Portacio), where it was said he has a place in the cosmic pantheon, but he was awoken from his sleep too early and hence wasn't up to his rightful power, and that he uses many bodies at once/avatars, and X-Factor 67 has a bit on this, and mentions he distorted time. In Cable 1, 2, and 5 and X-Men 23 it mentions Apocalypse exists in all realities/timelines at once (all 3 written by Fabien Nicieza).
Also, in The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix (by Scott Lobdell), it mentions Apocalypse is a force like the Phoenix Force, and possesses bodies, but keeps on burning them out because he keeps on evolving past his old self and keeps on growing more powerful. In X-Men 98 (Alan Davis/Terry Kavanaugh) it mentions that Apocalypse's current Cyclops body is just a minor manifestation, and the bulk of what he is exists outside time and space, though that body doesn't know it; and X-Men 98, and Uncanny X-Men 378 had him saying he had the powers of the 12 when he didn't as Xavier stated to Apocalypse in X-Men 98, and Apocalypse manipulated all of reality and reshaped it twice.
Uh huh. If Apocalypse was "evolving" so much, then he should have been a god by the time the Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix came around. Instead, he's some pathetic old man who got killed effortlessly.
He was also torn apart from the inside out by Phoenix in the final chapter of the twelve storyline. And again! Little old man inside. hahaha.
If Apocalypse were anywhere close to as powerful as you'd like to believe he is, he wouldn't have needed the power of the 12 in the first place.
Apocalypse is arrogant and says lots of crap about himself. Doesn't make it true. When he made WarHulk, he said that the power of the celestials supercedes all but his own. You gonna take that to mean he's more powerful than The Celestials?
Wait. Don't answer that.
Originally posted by Mainstream
I thought Nate Grey aka test tube baby Cable was virus free....he's apparently stronger than Cable...but Cable still beat him. the only telepath that Apoc fears...truly fears is Cable..cuz he is the one destine to destroy him not Magnus.
Xplosive is calling the baby Nate Grey to achieve some kind of superpowered effect. That was Baby Cable, WITH the infected virus. So we're talking the combined "might" of an infected infant, a de-powered Jean Grey, and Cyclops, lol.
Originally posted by Xplosive
I don't know what to say to you, he enver said that about Jean, Nate surpasses by far Magneto. She used Nate Grey, which by far and far surpasses Jean Grey. Apocaylse needs to get in chamber after time, when he recovers, he is normal. He hasn't dying, he hasn't even succeded to go to the chamber.
Did you read the issue? Apocalypse, during the psychic fight, praises Jean on her skill and says (exact quote), "Given time, I suspect, you will become my match and more". Jean still nails him.
And it's not Nate Grey. It's baby Cable...WITH the virus. He was already diverting his power to saving himself. So it's basically an infant version of Cable WITH the virus who owned Apocalypse with a Jean without her telepathy and Cyclops. Nothing to brag about.
Apocalypse was dying during Xcutioner's song. I can't believe you'd say otherwise. Did you see the condition he was in? Is that NORMAL to you? And what do you mean he never went into the chamber? That's where Stryfe pulled him out of! What the hell?
Originally posted by Mainstream
I hate Logic and the book says Apoc don't have energy projection...but I thought he did.
lol. looks like you're in a pickle. Either you disregard the entire entry, or you acknowledge Magneto's VASTLY superior energy projection rating. Either way, it doesn't look good for Poccy.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Apocalypse is above Magneto, logicall, everyone is beaten by good guys, you must get that. Cyclops said that Apocalypse has unmatchable supremacy. Logicly Apocalypse owns Magneto anytime, in story, good guy will prevail.
lol, when did Cyclops say that? Besides, people always say that to hype bad guys. Cylops has repeatedly had much better showings against Apoc than against Magneto.
There's really nothing Apoc can do against Magneto. and there's lots Magneto can do against Apoc. Magneto destroys Apoc and his avatars and Apoc Prime and the Apoc Force, lol, at the same time.