Magneto vs The Hulk

Originally posted by demigawd
So what? What does that quote mean? That Cyclops has never fought someone as powerful as Apocalypse before? Coming from someone who fought Celestials, Dark Phoenix, Galactus, the Stranger and Thanos, Cyclop's comment is, at best, hyperbole. Unless you're saying Apoc is stronger than they are too.

Magneto never got such honor from Cyclops, so it is quite obvious that Cyclops sees Apocaylpse as much more powerful being than Magneto. Period.
I am not saying Apocalypse is more pwoerful than those you mentioned, did you read anywhere, but Cyclops has fought agaisnt those you mentoned (than he knows what he is saying and you better believe him), and if he said Apocalypse has unmatchable supreamc, that means Cyclops knows Apocalypse is being with great pwoer and what threat he represten an is much more powerful than Magneto, beleieve it to Cyclops, he knows it.

as does everyone else on this accursed planet.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Magneto never got such honor from Cyclops, so it is quite obvious that Cyclops sees Apocaylpse as much more powerful being than Magneto. Period.
I am not saying Apocalypse is more pwoerful than those you mentioned, did you read anywhere, but Cyclops has fought agaisnt those you mentoned (than he knows what he is saying and you better believe him), and if he said Apocalypse has unmatchable supreamc, that means Cyclops knows Apocalypse is being with great pwoer and what threat he represten an is much more powerful than Magneto, beleieve it to Cyclops, he knows it.

My point is that Cyclops has fought lots of people more powerful than Apocalypse. If your "proof" that Apoc is more powerful than Magneto is that Cyclops said that Apocalypse has unmatchable supremacy, then you'd have to conclude that Cyclops is comparing him to EVERYBODY he's ever fought. And that would have to include Celestials, Galactus, Thanos, Dark Phoenix etc. You can't single Magneto out.

I always liked Magneto...he the xmen second most powerful enemy.

Originally posted by demigawd
My point is that Cyclops has fought lots of people more powerful than Apocalypse. If your "proof" that Apoc is more powerful than Magneto is that Cyclops said that Apocalypse has unmatchable supremacy, then you'd have to conclude that Cyclops is comparing him to EVERYBODY he's ever fought. And that would have to include Celestials, Galactus, Thanos, Dark Phoenix etc. You can't single Magneto out.

He said that about Apocalypse beaucse he trully saw his great power and was convicned what Apocalypse is, he never close got such feeling for Magneto. He fought against all those cosmic beings you menitoend, so he realized that Apocalypse is such big threat that he dared to say that about his supremacy. And this only prove that writters have trully written Apocalypse as cosmic force since Cyclops said that, and he fought against cosmic force, so he know how it feels to battle agaisnt cosmic force, and he got the same feeling when he fought against that Apocalypse in X-Factor 68. But I am not saying that he is more powerful than Celestial, DP, of course not ..., but with Apocalypse trully awaken potential, he is being in cosmic level and he alraedy was once, and he even hasn't used his full potential, beacuse his plan in X-Facotr didn't succede, if he would his full potetnial would be awaken, he would be a cosmic force and would belong in celestial pantheon.

Apoc: you have traveled 5,000 in an atempt to stop me! do you not realize it can not be done?

Cable: I guess I'm a slow learner.

Now I am waiting only Apocalypse to be brought back from dead, maybe he is not even dead (or has already returned, and we don't know it yet), maybe he is sleeping long enough to finally awaken his true powers. Marvel said his true powers has never been revelad, so maybe they will and the moment is coming to finally witnes it, but maybe not (but they could easily do it, since his power potenial has never been revelad). Does anyone know if Apocalypse will be brought back?

Poccy's only plan was to absorb baby Cable's lifeforce into his own. That was it. That was his big plan. That was his plan again in the Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix. Even if that plan were to come true, that would hardly make him cosmic level. For example, look at God Cable. He's realized his potential - he's everything he was ever supposed to be...

...he got wasted by the Surfer.

So basically Apocalypse aspires to be at around Silver Surfer level. Wow! And that means that Apocalypse isn't anywhere close to that level now, otherwise he wouldn't have been planning for it for 5000 years.

About the "unmatchable supremacy" thing. Cyclops never used the term for any of the REAL cosmics he fought - that doesn't mean he didn't get a feeling of great power from them. Same thing with Magneto.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Now I am waiting only Apocalypse to be brought back from dead, maybe he is not even dead (or has already returned, and we don't know it yet), maybe he is sleeping long enough to finally awaken his true powers. Marvel said his true powers has never been revelad, so maybe they will and the moment is coming to finally witnes it, but maybe not (but they could easily do it, since his power potenial has never been revelad). Does anyone know if Apocalypse will be brought back?

They said Cable will be turned into a Horseman of Apocalypse in Cable/Deadpool some time. That's the most they hinted at.

I read somewhere they said....I wonder what apocalypse is up to this time...he coming back..

Originally posted by demigawd
Poccy's only plan was to absorb baby Cable's lifeforce into his own. That was it. That was his big plan. That was his plan again in the Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix. Even if that plan were to come true, that would hardly make him cosmic level. For example, look at God Cable. He's realized his potential - he's everything he was ever supposed to be...

...he got wasted by the Surfer.

So basically Apocalypse aspires to be at around Silver Surfer level. Wow! And that means that Apocalypse isn't anywhere close to that level now, otherwise he wouldn't have been planning for it for 5000 years.

About the "unmatchable supremacy" thing. Cyclops never used the term for any of the REAL cosmics he fought - that doesn't mean he didn't get a feeling of great power from them. Same thing with Magneto.

His plan was to absorb lifeforce, that would awaken him. He has great lifeforce himself, he needed only one great lifeforce, and that was form little Sumemrs, to awaken his potential (or otherwise he should sleep for more, he was awaken to soon ), after that Siler Surfer wouldn't be worhy opponet to Apocaylpse.

Just looked into it now. Here's the exact quote:

"In every previous encounter, when he was more our size, Apocalyse was the consumate shape-changer, manifesting any martial ability necessary to tip the balance in his favor. Now, though, he's using the blunderbuss approach, abandoning his past finess to blast us with massive beams of energy. It could be his way of demonstrating his unmatchable supremacy. OR, possibly, an attempt on his part to mask an ACHILLES HEEL. Trick is, assuming I'm right, to find it and exploit it, while we're still able."

He's speculating on why Apoc is just trying to blast them all to death instead of fighting straight up. He's wondering why Apoc seems a little desperate and in a rush. The "unmatchable supremacy" is clearly shown as hyperbole here.

Originally posted by demigawd
They said Cable will be turned into a Horseman of Apocalypse in Cable/Deadpool some time. That's the most they hinted at.

Really, so Apocalypse is trully coming back and mighty Cable as his servant, horseman, I hope it is true. APOCALYPSE IS COMING.

yeah Apocaypse is coming....so to speak.

Originally posted by Xplosive
His plan was to absorb lifeforce, that would awaken him. He has great lifeforce himself, he needed only one great lifeforce, and that was form little Sumemrs, to awaken his potential (or otherwise he should sleep for more, he was awaken to soon ), after that Siler Surfer wouldn't be worhy opponet to Apocaylpse.

Where did you figure that? Nobody woke him up. Apocalypse has basically been awake the whole time. That's why he found Ship, that's why he fought Saul, that's why he found Exodus in the 13th century, that's why he was worshipped as Seth in Sumaria, that's why he was around in Egypt, that's why he found Sinister in the 19th century. He's just a mutant who stumbled upon fancy Celestial tech. Nothing abstract about him or his power. All he does is control his molecules. If he could control the molecules of others, I'd be impressed. He can't.

Where was it stated that he needed Nate to access his true potential? He's always just said that he needed to absorb Nate's power to increase his own (and eliminate a potential future threat), and later, to replace his body. Nothing more. Where have you read otherwise?

Originally posted by demigawd
Just looked into it now. Here's the exact quote:

"In every previous encounter, when he was more our size, Apocalyse was the consumate shape-changer, manifesting any martial ability necessary to tip the balance in his favor. Now, though, he's using the blunderbuss approach, abandoning his past finess to blast us with massive beams of energy. [b]It could be his way of demonstrating his unmatchable supremacy. OR, possibly, an attempt on his part to mask an ACHILLES HEEL. Trick is, assuming I'm right, to find it and exploit it, while we're still able."

He's speculating on why Apoc is just trying to blast them all to death instead of fighting straight up. He's wondering why Apoc seems a little desperate and in a rush. The "unmatchable supremacy" is clearly shown as hyperbole here. [/B]

He had to rush, beacuse his plans didn't succed, actully he never had. And that being said in previous encounter, more of our size (that means he never fought with all he got, in X-Factor he showed greater power, but not his true and Cyclops was amazed, and Apocaylpse could raise much more than he was in X-Facotr 68, and you know what means when he raise, he increases his own abilites). I really don't want to argue about this, I am too excited about Apocalypse coming back, if he does. When is this suppose to happen. Thank you informed about that hint. 🙂

Originally posted by demigawd
Where did you figure that? Nobody woke him up. Apocalypse has basically been awake the whole time. That's why he found Ship, that's why he fought Saul, that's why he found Exodus in the 13th century, that's why he was worshipped as Seth in Sumaria, that's why he was around in Egypt, that's why he found Sinister in the 19th century. He's just a mutant who stumbled upon fancy Celestial tech. Nothing abstract about him or his power. All he does is control his molecules. If he could control the molecules of others, I'd be impressed. He can't.

Where was it stated that he needed Nate to access his true potential? He's always just said that he needed to absorb Nate's power to increase his own (and eliminate a potential future threat), and later, to replace his body. Nothing more. Where have you read otherwise?

Apocalypse also said in the begining he was awaken too soon. I have read a lot, but now I don't feel to search home, like I said, I don't want to argue anymore, I just can't wait, if this will happen, Apocalypse is back.

I think it said to check Cable/Deadpool #15.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Apocalypse also said in the begining he was awaken too soon. I have read a lot, but now I don't feel to search home, like I said, I don't want to argue anymore, I just can't wait, if this will happen, Apocalypse is back.

You're getting your timelines confused. Apocalypse only said that in the beginning of Xcutioner's song. That came out several years AFTER X-factor 68. And he said that because he wasn't finished recovering from the beatdown FROM X-Factor 68.

So this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Magneto would beat Hulk. lol.

Originally posted by demigawd
You're getting your timelines confused. Apocalypse only said that in the beginning of Xcutioner's song. That came out several years AFTER X-factor 68. And he said that because he wasn't finished recovering from the beatdown FROM X-Factor 68.

So this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Magneto would beat Hulk. lol.

You can't be convinced and I won't try you, the problem is, if Apocalypse is more powerful, you won't except it. In Cable/Deadpol 9 it was mentione Apocalypse may be still alive, Cable future is erased, does that mean, Apocalypse alredy has plans
What proved Magetno over Hulk?